2013-04-12, 08:40 | Link #421 | |
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All it does is confirm my fears that 13 episodes is indeed far too short for this story, and that it will be a mediocre video game adaptation like the many before it. It's a shame because the animation quality has been quite the treat. Yasuda designs intact, decent soundtrack, and consistent quality? If I turned my brain off, this would have been quite the eye candy. |
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2013-04-12, 08:49 | Link #422 | |
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I know it is hard not to compare it to the video game but it might be best to look at it as its own thing.
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2013-04-12, 09:01 | Link #423 | |
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But at least they look cool... gee I wonder where they came from? And then the anime only audience's interest is piqued not because of the anime itself, but because it's successfully serves as shameless promotion for the source material. |
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2013-04-12, 09:12 | Link #425 | ||
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Nah, I'm not interested in the game. (I'm not a gamer.) I'm just here for the anime. |
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2013-04-12, 09:15 | Link #426 | |
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Also I don't see his friends as pointless and I expect they will get stronger and he will need them. Granted maybe I am not the best person to defend the show because I am not that invested in it in the first place. I am just saying just because the anime does it differently from the video game does not make it bad.
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2013-04-12, 09:26 | Link #427 | |
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Why is an inexperienced protagonist so powerful despite being... you know, inexperienced? This is a cliché that I would find in a generic shonen jump manga that's in danger of getting cancelled. I never said every change was bad. I thought Io saving Daichi from the truck crash was a much better idea than having him conveniently jump out with no injuries like he did in the game. This whole inexperienced yet powerful but reluctant protagonist direction, however? I don't know how you can think this is well written. I'm not getting any sense that Hibiki earned or grew into his role: just that the word of god (or gods in this case) dictates he must have power while Io and Daichi get none. |
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2013-04-12, 09:47 | Link #428 | |
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But I hardly think what you describe is the worst crime in writing. Plenty of stories have cliches it is how they are executed that counts. So he has a natural talent for summoning powerful demons that explains how he can do these things despite inexperience. Honestly it is not like this is based on a real skill so it is not outside the realms of possibility that a character can be so strong from offset for me. So no I don't see anything bad about the writing here. Also you are assuming the entire story is going to be him killing all the demons and that there were be no struggles in all of this. Just because he is powerful and has natural talent doesn't mean he can't be inexperienced in other ways. Or that he won't have to rely on his friends in the end.
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2013-04-12, 10:54 | Link #430 |
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I like the animation and the voice acting very much. It's obvious they're not trying for a serious adaptation of the game here, which...is fine, because it would be very hard to adapt this particular game without making changes. The whole kidnapped by JPs and being told doomsome things and making deals stuff is fine. I also rather liked the way that we got to see people in the emergency shelters; it's good that we're being reminded that people other than the main characters exist. I also liked details like the many people hanging back in suspicion/shock of Hibiki. The scene with the red-shirted man and Yamato was also good stuff. Nice choice.
There were bad things about this episode too. Notably, the way that things were focused on Hibiki and "his power". It's almost as if the series has forgotten that Hibiki isn't the only one with a demon-summoning phone. Even though Makoto and the rest of JPs can clearly summon demons, Daichi and Io would too if the anime's plot would allow them to do so right now, and that the rest of the demon-summoning apps are surely not all on the phones of dead people. I can buy Yamato trying extra hard to recruit a Byakko-summoning Hibiki, and I can buy Hibiki making a deal with him, and being persuaded by various events to stand and fight, but there was still a strange emphasis on Hibiki that felt forced. His special ability here in the anime isn't supposed to be that he's a demon tamer but that he is able to summon a cool Byakko. So basically the writing was clumsy there and was hitting us over the head with the "the protagonist is the protagonist because he's special and has a power nobody else does which he didn't ask for!" stick. Hopefully it won't last beyond this ep and they'll have finished telling us how special the protagonist is, at least for a while. I'm a bit concerned about Io's characterisation, or rather, the fandom's potential reaction to it. She wasn't adapted ideally in this ep, but I consider it to have been mostly perfectly acceptable in light of the changes being made to the plot for the sake of the adaptation, and surely she'll have her time to shine later. (If she doesn't get a chance to shine, I will be annoyed.) I would hate it if anime-only viewers fixated on this ep when weighing her up as a character and went down the "she's useless and all she does is cry!!! she said so herself!" route and disregard anything else. I quite liked the way they handled her stress and distress in the emergency shelter. The way she reacted at finding out about Ariake seemed overdone, though. (Edited out something after finding out it would likely infringe the spoiler policy.) Last edited by GoldenLand; 2013-05-02 at 18:50. |
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2013-04-12, 13:47 | Link #435 | |
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Before I interrupted myself, I think we're used to seeing a character relatively weak, THEN getting stronger. Obviously the protagonists gonna get stronger, but the start did seem kind of ridiculous. Idk, just like I said on twitter, this show's terribly mediocre thus far. As soon as I hear that generic battle music in the first episode, I knew that was it. It's a shame because the beginning have me a very Gantz feel & was quite well done and abrupt in the right way...but anticlimactic as soon as the demons were summoned. 3/10 so far & that's being generous P.S. some might hate me for this, but Byakko's design is so boring. The most interesting thing was the demonic ice cream cone because I refuse to call it by its real name
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2013-04-12, 16:54 | Link #438 | |
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Hibiki is a protagonist that's supposed to be praised for his strength of character. He's supposed to be a charismatic lead in a cast full of uniquely strong characters. The reason why a commander-in-chief of a large government organization was interested in such a common citizen like Hibiki isn't because he has a machinegun - it's because he is supposed to prove himself as one of the most competent characters, being able to use his properly and direct others to use theirs to the best of their ability as well. The early Yamato normally wouldn't give them the time of day, nor would he entrust them with top secret information so easily. Once again, there is no excuse for why Daichi and Io were written to be conveniently unable to fight. They could have all played an important role, with Hibiki keeping his position as protagonist by coordinating a team attack between the three. They don't all have to powerhouse through - Io could even stay back and heal Byakko at Hibiki's command. At least this way all of them could have shined with Hibiki still being the brightest of the bunch. Last edited by Shadow5YA; 2013-04-12 at 17:48. |
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2013-04-12, 17:37 | Link #440 | |
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If we wanted to care so much about every last detail, we'd play the freaking game already. Don't attach preconcieved notions about the game to an anime's take on material. It's not the same thing as literally adapting a manga or book that already has a structured narrative for a director to take from, because the game's narrative is broken up, segmented to follow the player's progression. And we're only two episodes in people! Two episodes in! What's to say what Kishi will include, and what he trims out? We've still got a good 11 episodes to go! Your points in Daichi and Io though, are fair enough. There's very little balance to the character dynamics at present. |
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