Code Geass R2 - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[morbosfist]

No one said it was smart, but Suzaku's no Lelouch. He's exhausted his options and Shirley's death has put him in a not quite rational state of mind.

[Majek]

Wow all this talk like the anime characters are areal people. Of course they won't make Suzaku figure out anything, even the simplest things, he's not the MAIN char nor the main threat so he doesn't get to do anything amazing. Simple anime rules and you people talk like it's something unexpected. <_<

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Majek

Wow all this talk like the anime characters are areal people. Of course they won't make Suzaku figure out anything, even the simplest things, he's not the MAIN char nor the main threat so he doesn't get to do anything amazing. Simple anime rules and you people talk like it's something unexpected. <_<

so whats your bet as to what happens next

[Kovensky]

Only one night to go

[Majek]

Originally Posted by bladeofdarkness

so whats your bet as to what happens next

The MarySue doesn't get to suffer because it's immoral ,.... yadda yadda to get infro from female prisoners and Lulu escapes from the almighty emperor unscathed. What else could happen?

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Majek

The MarySue doesn't get to suffer because it's immoral ,.... yadda yadda to get infro from female prisoners and Lulu escapes from the almighty emperor unscathed. What else could happen?

wheres the fun in just yadda yaddaing it away rather then raise your own theories
this isnt the place to only be-little other people's ranting and speculations
this is the place to rant and speculate yourself
get with the ranting spirit
otherwise why bother being here

[Dream_Traveller]

I think you'll find that the right place for that is, oh, the Spoiler and Speculation Thread.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

I think you'll find that the right place for that is, oh, the Spoiler and Speculation Thread.

and this is of course the cooking thread where we talk about our favorite foods

[Dream_Traveller]

...Was that even meant to be a damaging or sarcastic retort? Eh, forget it, wasting my time.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

...Was that even meant to be a damaging or sarcastic retort? Eh, forget it, wasting my time.

lighten up dude
it was ment as a joke

[Majek]

Originally Posted by Dream_Traveller

...Was that even meant to be a damaging or sarcastic retort? Eh, forget it, wasting my time.

With likes of him? Always.

[bladeofdarkness]

Originally Posted by Majek

With likes of him? Always.

ouch !
i dont have to take this
screw you guys
i'm going home

[MonkeyDude]

Originally Posted by Crontica

Bolded Parts:

If Suzaku barged into the now corrupted intelligence agency and viewed lelouches recent activities suzaku would noticed that he keeps going to the "library" suzaku goes and check out the place. cue lelouch coming out of the hidden bookshelf at the wrong moment, and everything would have moved on long ago

The problem is that the Intelligence Agency is working under the direct orders of the emperor. I don't think Suzaku ever got the order to find out whether Lelouch is Zero. He has NO authority whatsoever to demand information from an agency under the orders of the emperor. KoR or not, he is still working under someone much more powerful than him.

Even if he somehow manages to get the information he wants, Lelouch probably has altered that information already. All Suzaku would get is another logbook showing Lelouch's day to day activities.

I'm going to give Suzaku some credit and say that he has already thought of this beforehand. He is backed into a corner and the only real option he has left is to drug Kallen. Of course he can just stop listening to his gut, but that is probably the only thing that hasn't failed him yet.

The guy is desperate to prove that he is right...whatever means necessary

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by MonkeyDude

The problem is that the Intelligence Agency is working under the direct orders of the emperor. I don't think Suzaku ever got the order to find out whether Lelouch is Zero. He has NO authority whatsoever to demand information from an agency under the orders of the emperor. KoR or not, he is still working under someone much more powerful than him.

Even if he somehow manages to get the information he wants, Lelouch probably has altered that information already. All Suzaku would get is another logbook showing Lelouch's day to day activities.

I'm going to give Suzaku some credit and say that he has already thought of this beforehand. He is backed into a corner and the only real option he has left is to drug Kallen. Of course he can just stop listening to his gut, but that is probably the only thing that hasn't failed him yet.

The guy is desperate to prove that he is right...whatever means necessary

If he wants to be proven right, then marching straight into the Intelligence agency and demand to see the surveillance tapes of Lulu would be the quickest and surest way. And if he doesn't trust the intelligence, then the first suspect should be the people who gave him the data rather than a prisoner who had been locked up for weeks.

Drugging Kallen isn't the action of a disparate man, but the action of a stupid man. There are 101 ways for Suzaku to find out Lulu had infiltrated his surveillance, but drugging Kallen isn't one of them.

[morbosfist]

There's something we can agree on, though I'd personally give Lelouch a bit more credit than that. There's a lot of tape to go through, and Lelouch probably has the relevant bits censored.

[lovecakecookies]

Originally Posted by Velden

Certainly...the only thing susaku needed to do is to check the videotapes and watch lelouch´s athletics during the cupid event to realize that lelouch isn´t lelouch at all...but i guess the writers needed to show how desperate he is...

LOL....hahah man this post made me laugh.... but its so true

[Stargaze]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

If he wants to be proven right, then marching straight into the Intelligence agency and demand to see the surveillance tapes of Lulu would be the quickest and surest way. And if he doesn't trust the intelligence, then the first suspect should be the people who gave him the data rather than a prisoner who had been locked up for weeks.

Drugging Kallen isn't the action of a disparate man, but the action of a stupid man. There are 101 ways for Suzaku to find out Lulu had infiltrated his surveillance, but drugging Kallen isn't one of them.

Perhaps, but I think he does trust the Intelligence Agency. I think it is just that he thinks Lelouch has tricked the Intelligence Agency instead. I don't think he would have thought that the Intelligence agency, under the orders directly from the Emperor, would side with Lelouch.

Drugging Kallen may not be the best option, but interrogating a high rank member of the Black Knights is. So his method may be a bit slanted but by all means, trying to get information from Kallen isn't.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Stargaze

Perhaps, but I think he does trust the Intelligence Agency. I think it is just that he thinks Lelouch has tricked the Intelligence Agency instead. I don't think he would have thought that the Intelligence agency, under the orders directly from the Emperor, would side with Lelouch.

Drugging Kallen may not be the best option, but interrogating a high rank member of the Black Knights is. So his method may be a bit slanted but by all means, trying to get information from Kallen isn't.

You can't trust the Intelligence agency, yet doubt its intelligence in the same time.

If Suzaku still think Lulu got his memory back, then he is ignoring data from Intelligence. Thus by default Suzaku must think something has gone wrong at the Agency.

It is his duty to investigate a possible problem in the government. If he think someone is giving him wrong intel, then that should be where he should start looking. Kallen has been incarcerated for a while and do not have up to date information.

[Stargaze]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

You can't trust the Intelligence agency, yet doubt its intelligence in the same time.

If Suzaku still think Lulu got his memory back, then he is ignoring data from Intelligence. Thus by default Suzaku must think something has gone wrong at the Agency.

It is his duty to investigate a possible problem in the government. If he think someone is giving him wrong intel, then that should be where he should start looking. Kallen has been incarcerated for a while and do not have up to date information.

Not at all, the Intelligence Agency doesn't have to "have a problem" to give the wrong data; it is the data they observed. Suzaku knows Lelouch is smart, but the problem is does he think Lelouch is smart enough to be able to avoid being caught by the Intelligence Agency. If he does, he has no reason to doubt the Intelligence Agency, only the data given to him.

Kallen may not have up to date info, but that doesn't change the fact the she worked with the "new" Zero. And with that, Suzaku has his reason to interrogate Kallen about the "new" Zero's identity.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Stargaze

Not at all, the Intelligence Agency doesn't have to "have a problem" to give the wrong data; it is the data they observed. Suzaku knows Lelouch is smart, but the problem is does he think Lelouch is smart enough to be able to avoid being caught by the Intelligence Agency. If he does, he has no reason to doubt the Intelligence Agency, only the data given to him.

Kallen may not have up to date info, but that doesn't change the fact the she worked with the "new" Zero. And with that, Suzaku has his reason to interrogate Kallen about the "new" Zero's identity.

Suzaku does not think there is a new Zero; he still think Lulu is Zero. Thus the quickest way is to bring Lulu in for a short time, not necessarily arrested. A few minutes talking with the fake Lulu, or the inability to find Lulu in general, would have been more than enough evidence for what he needed.

Perhaps the worst part of using Refrain, is that Kallen might start talking about the time when Lulu was still known to be Zero. Suzaku would never be sure if Kallen was talking about events in season 1 or season 2.