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View Poll Results: Do you think that given the US laws, Polasnki should be judged for the crime he has d | |||
Yes | 41 | 85.42% | |
No | 7 | 14.58% | |
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2009-10-01, 12:01 | Link #142 |
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There is nothing to say about his extradition:
-he was sentenced guilty and escaped a sentence. -an extradition notice was issued to our police. -our police arrested him accordingly. -he will receive his sentence and serve it, be it 1 week or 150 years it has no importance. Erm... last time I checked, in modern democracies, more than strict utilitarian concerns, we are more concerned about staying true to the values we perceive our society is based on (as changing as they may be). And disregarding HOW it is applicated, the law has to be applied to all indiscriminately. There are a lot of similar things where on a strict utilitarian point of view we waste tons of money, some crucial, other vains or deformed. After all, as the old man said, it is the worst system, but there are no better one's. But if you consider utility more important, and are ready to make a few compromises, either you go toward anarchy (why wasting time and resources to create and implement laws? it's such a hassle). Or, as having and organized society has shown several benefits, there a very simple ways to cut costs: -Why keep criminals in prison when you can sentence them to death and execute them at the end of the trial? You can even cut down the costs further if you charge his assets or relatives for it! -Why bother with democracy? It's such a wasteful system! have you any idea of the costs of a single elections! Imagine if you have to organise and spend money for everybody to vote on everything! To vote only for El Presidente life-term is for sure much more economical, and why bother organizing an election if he's already in power or has a successor ready? BTW, I am very happy living in a country without death penalty, where we vote on everything every two months on average, and I am proud of it's institutions.
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2009-10-01, 13:13 | Link #143 | |
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2009-10-01, 13:31 | Link #144 | |
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EDIT: Well they don't, but they get more "buffed" and more ready to break more laws. |
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2009-10-01, 16:01 | Link #145 |
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It's not so much "training", as it is just the fact that the prisoners are treated harshly and offered little chance to reform, so when they emerge they just go back to the life they once had, and since that life led them to crime originally, the cycle simply repeats. Sadly enough, since the cycle is seemingly endless (not to mention that recent studies seem to show that jail does not deter would-be criminals), reform for the American justice/penal system is almost impossible.
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On a separate note, I think his comfort is due, mostly, to his fame. People don't look at him and go, "Hey, that's Roman Polanski the rapist!" They see him and say "Hey, that's Roman Polanski, the famous movie director!" On the other hand, people may look at Bob down the street, and ignore whatever sort of work he does in favor of saying "Did you know Bob molests kids?" It's all about perception, and people know Polanski more for the movies he directed, than for this one girl he raped. Quote:
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2009-10-01, 16:28 | Link #147 | |
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While you carefully avoid to reply to my question, you give the feeling that you expect the Justice to disregard the law texts because you think Polanski should not go to prison. But at the same time, you'll be sad because the justice did bend again? I smell a lie, sorry to be blunt. And I don't see how what we are talking about is revelant to the "current" state of the case. As I said to Solace, we're not at the point of pronouncing a sentence yet, the US Justice can't even judge Polanski (whatever he'll get, 1 days or 150 years of prison, that's not the current problem), because Mister Polanski "decided" that the charges against him have to be dropped. |
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2009-10-01, 16:36 | Link #148 | |
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The fact that I am disgusted by the ease with which the rich and famous bend and break the rules of the justice system, does not change the fact that I think this is a special circumstance where a better result could be achieved by a slight bending of the rules. We're not talking about Lindsey Lohan getting a DUI, and paying a fine to get out of it (which, by the way, is not AT ALL how that works for non-famous people). This is a man who has already lived into the twilight of his life. If you feel like we will have achieved some justice by forcing the man to die in prison, then fine. I do not feel that way. Don't just put together bits and pieces of what I said and call me a liar; it's all contextual. Do I think it's fair that famous people get to manipulate the justice system with money? Hell no. Do I think this particular case warrants some creative interpretation of the rules to better punish the accused? Absolutely.
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- The French governement shall not ask the USA to drop the charges just because Mr Polanski achieved movies awards and such. Beside some people from the government and some stars, almost no French support him. Again in the today TV debate "C dans l'air" on the French TV, after an sms question, no one who was present in the debate thinked he deserves a special treatment. So it would be good if some medias stop to say "The french are supporting him". - I currently don't really care about the sentence, I am just disgusted that Mr Polanski refuses to be extradited and judged. Quote:
I don't care if he dies in prison or not. I want him to be judged, that's all. Now, I'll let the LA justice to decide what is the right sentence for him. But the man doesn't even want to be judged. Back months ago, he could have gone to the USA, because given the new supposed things that were discovered in the documentaries, his lawyers tried to make the case dismissed (about the girl he raped). It was refused because Mr Polanski was not present, while given the law, he has to be present. While he would have probably not been charged anymore for the rape, you really think he would have been sentenced to 30y of prison because he fled? I don't think so, I don't even think he would have stayed in a prison for a long time (but i could be wrong). Quote:
- Anyway the guy doesn't even want to spend 1 day in a prison, or even, not even want to be judged, even if the sentence is little, because he decided it. So far I only see an egocentrical person who thinks he is above everything. Last edited by Narona; 2009-10-01 at 17:16. |
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2009-10-01, 17:27 | Link #150 | |
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And I like the "It has angered Poland and France" Beside Mitterrand and his friends, nearly no one here is angered at what the Swiss Police did. And given the result of the national Polish survey that I posted ealier, not a lot of people in Poland are angered either. And another news with the best source ever: Quote:
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2009-10-01, 22:53 | Link #155 | |
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As a general statement, I'd say 85-90% of his current wealth should do quite nicely. It would give the state of California some money to spend on something worthwhile, and send the message that if the rich and famous want to commit crimes, then they can sacrifice their riches for rags, and fame for infamy.
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2009-10-02, 01:50 | Link #156 |
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It's high time for Polanski to face the goddamn music, even if it means spending the rest of his life in jail (which I doubt to be honest, but still...). Contrary to Whoopi's statement in her show, rape is, you know, just that, rape.
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