Strike Freedom's and ∞ Justice reactor question

[Tak]

Originally Posted by zgmf-x19a

what's that famous Japanese site that sells gundam models?

www.hlj.com

- Tak

[grandmaster192]

That SAVIOUR is wicked. one of my favorite gundams. And the Zaku is sweet. I'm starting to think maybe I should start buying some of these.

[kaito-kid]

Dark Freedom is DAMN sexy

[_X12A_Testament]

WOW~!

What is the link to the website with all these repaints? I would love to see all of em. Dark Freedom looks awesome, and reminds me how much I like the original freedom's head compared to SF.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by _X12A_Testament

WOW~!

What is the link to the website with all these repaints? I would love to see all of em. Dark Freedom looks awesome, and reminds me how much I like the original freedom's head compared to SF.

Courtesy from G-Custom

http://gcustom.fc2web.com/

- Tak (Yes, I am creaming my pants right now just looking at the models)

[srb]

Originally Posted by Tak

That is why you give it a custom paint job

Yes, both the Destiny and that version of SF showcases excellent uses of gold - it looks neither tacky nor incredibly shitty.

But that second one isn't SF. It's Freedom, the Nanoha Innocent Starter Freedom. How could you make a mistake such as that!? :O

[Tak]

Originally Posted by srb

But that second one isn't SF. It's Freedom, the Nanoha Innocent Starter Freedom. How could you make a mistake such as that!? :O

Ah, but I didn't call it a SF I designated it as:

Originally Posted by Tak

I consider the Destiny to be among his best works. Next to G-Custom Freedom

He managed to make both Gundams look sinister, not an easy feat, mind you.

- Tak (and its obvious, my favorite color is black)

See?

Never falter before DEFAULT COLORS! Be creative!

- Tak (That, and both the Destiny, as well as the Strike Freedom shown were both modified versions of the original MG Freedom anyway )

[tritoch]

zomg...

those are awesome awesome ness

[Nvis]

Originally Posted by grandmaster192

Thats not true. The Strike Rouge is not obsolete, it's a upgrade of the old strike. I don't see why you would say Zaku's and Gouf's are better then it. The Strike Rough is the exact same thing as the Force Impulse. It has the same weapons and every thing. It can fly to. It has a riffle, Saber and shield. the Same weapons as Shinn uses to pwn shit...Kira should have been able to trash those grunts the same way Shinn does. The Strike Rough is just as mobil as the Impuse..just look at that move Kira did in it. I think if that was Shinn or even Athrun those grunts would have been trashed.

Not.

The Outframe with the G-Flight pack could barely keep up with the Force Impulse.
The Impulse is definitely superior to the Strike(Rouge) in any way.

[grandmaster192]

Originally Posted by Nvis

The Outframe with the G-Flight pack could barely keep up with the Force Impulse.

When was this? It looked just as fast as the Impulse when Kira was in it doing 360's and Shit. That move he did was just as fast as anything the Impulse has done.

Originally Posted by Nvis

The Impulse is definitely superior to the Strike(Rouge) in any way.

How is the Force Impulse better then the Strike Rough? They have the same weapons, same PSA ect....Kira just got his ass kicked. If he was in the Force Impulse the same thing would have happend.

[Nightengale]

Originally Posted by grandmaster192

When was this? It looked just as fast as the Impulse when Kira was in it doing 360's and Shit. That move he did was just as fast as anything the Impulse has done.

Keyword = looked.

Specifically, Strike Rouge/Strike is lousier than a Dagger L and Windam.

Originally Posted by grandmaster192

How is the Force Impulse better then the Strike Rough? They have the same weapons, same PSA ect....Kira just got his ass kicked. If he was in the Force Impulse the same thing would have happend.

The overall performance, thruster output, weapons output, superior battery.

Two cars can look exactly the same but have differing performance. Same with Strike/Impulse.

[zgmf-x19a]

True Impulse is heavily based on the original Strike but it has better defense (solid shield) and the Phase Shift is different it's VPS and it has the deuterion beam to recharge itself and also the ability to seperate itself gives a huge advantage and having spare parts at hand makes it definitely superior to Strike and Strike Rouge

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Nigtengale

The overall performance, thruster output, weapons output, superior battery.

Two cars can look exactly the same but have differing performance. Same with Strike/Impulse.

And potentially, a better fire control system, better sensors, a better communications suite, superior ergonomics, and the list goes on. I would have said "easier to maintain" as well, but Impulse is probably the most complicated mobile suit in Destiny, and hence the most difficult to maintain as well.


As an aside, I've been wondering about the designation of Gundams as "prototypes". I don't think that the label really fits since "prototype" infers that that particular design is meant to be mass-produced. Since this is untrue for just about every Gundam, perhaps a better designation would be either "technology demonstrator" or "proof of concept" like the Su-37 or X-29. On a similar note, the DOM Troopers should probably be called limited production models.

[Nightengale]

I'd argue that Strike is a Gundam that was actually mass-produced.

All Dagger series post-Strike Dagger are essentially Strikes with cheaper heads, better armouring due to PS being useless in a beam-dominated warzone, longer battery time, etc.

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

At few of the G-Weapons were sort of mass-produced...

Like you said, the one's like the Dagger, Dagger L, Windam and such that had the flight packs and/or could use Striker Packs were essentially MP Strikes.

Buster Dagger. Of course, only 1 is known to have been used.
Duel Dagger/Long Dagger
Deep Forbidden/Forbidden Vortex/Forbidden Blue
Wild Dagger
N Dagger
M1 Astray and Murasame were like MP Astray Gundams...

....and so on and so forth. In terms of MSG, I even usually thought before that GM meant "Gundam Miniature"

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Nightengale

I'd argue that Strike is a Gundam that was actually mass-produced.

All Dagger series post-Strike Dagger are essentially Strikes with cheaper heads, better armouring due to PS being useless in a beam-dominated warzone, longer battery time, etc.

There's a bit of room for interpretation here, but to my mind, a prototype designation would mean that the production model would be built according to the same specs. This would be similar in concept to the "first in class" idea that naval vessels use.

Strike's claims to fame were its striker packs, phase shift armor, and the GUNDAM OS. As far as I can tell, the Strike Daggers only incorporated the first of these technologies, which means that the other technologies were considered inappropriate (for whatever reason) for mass-production. This means that while Strike may have been meant as a preliminary prototype of sorts, it ended up as a technology test platform. The true prototype would actually be whatever Strike Dagger they first ended up building.

I'd also argue that phase-shift armor is an extremely useful technology. Even the in-universe designers seem to agree since they decided to incorporate it into many of their technology demonstrators.

Originally Posted by RX-78GP04G Gerbera

....and so on and so forth. In terms of MSG, I even usually thought before that GM meant "Gundam Miniature"

I'm not sure if you're aware, but GM stands for "Gundam Mass-Produced". I think that the relationship that exists between Strike and the Strike Daggers is the same as that between the RX-78 and the GMs. The final product is different enough from the original that the term prototype no longer applies.


As an aside, I originally thought that GM actually referred to General Motors! It's not really my fault since I originally came across Gundam in the form of the novels (and I only read the third one at that).

[RX-78GP04G Gerbera]

Yeah, I've known for a while it meant "Gundam Mass Production" and such, but when I first saw it and saw the "mass production" part and how it was basically a simplified Gundam, I kept thinking "Gundam Miniature", lol.

[Anh_Minh]

Maybe "Concept MS" would fit the bill. Concept cars are not really meant to be mass produced, they're just made to test technologies and designs. And show them off.

[tritoch]

Benchmarks.

[srb]

I think that they are supposed to be mass-produced, but the hero complex together with an in-universe reason (too costly, advanced et cetera) is generally why they're not.

The Strike was a prototype, the Strike Dagger was a much simplified design based on the frame, and the 105 Dagger was the real mass-production version.

perhaps a better designation would be either "technology demonstrator" or "proof of concept" like the Su-37

Sure you're not thinking of the S-37A/Su-47? The Su-37 was an improved Su-35, and both of these planes are mass-production prototypes, but the Su-35 has entered limited production.