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First of all @rantuyetmai, let me say you are being needlessly provocative and I am a bit offended. Where in my writings did I have a tone so rude you need to reply with such manners?
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Assume that: (1)Homura didn't exist and (2)WN won't appear for as long as Madoka is still alive, yet (3)events still played out like we saw until Mami's death, (4)immediately after that QB suddenly had to explain the real mechanism behind MGs and everything about the fate of all previous and future MGs. Now with no need of Madoka sacrificing herself for the town with WN out of the picture and yet Mami still died, do you think it is possible that at this point she would sacrifice herself to save every MGs she doesn't even know? My guess is she won't. Btw, indeed donation and sacrifice are different. Your example actually strengthened my argument. Quote:
Also, how do you explain the stark difference of the outcome of the last timeline(every MG and the Earth is saved) and the one before that (every MG and Earth is doomed)?
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2011-07-10, 15:09 | Link #223 | |||||
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A while ago, I refused to give a beggar some money because he looked healthy enough to work. Several days after that, I happened to see him in a run down gas station, trying to keep his children warm during winter with only some thin clothes. There I gave him some food and all money I have with me. Did I grow? My answer is no. I wasn't immature by refusing him the first time we met. The money I have, I worked hard to earn them myself. But when I saw him and his kids seriously need help, I was willing to help. Even if at this gas station is the first time we met, I would still help. I didn't grow up by finding a reason to help that beggar. I didn't become a better person, I just coincidentally have the chance to prove I'm a good person from the beginning Quote:
I wasn't sure what you wanted to ask. If Madoka already spent her wish, what else could she do to make a miracle even if she felt sorry for her fate and all MG's fate? She's strong-willed, she will continue to fight witches and protect everyone like Mami did until the day she dies. Information. |
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2011-12-28, 03:43 | Link #231 |
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Am I the only one who didn't like Madoka's final wish in the slightest?
Madoka had the opportunity to remove all the negative aspects of the Magical Girl system by telling Kyuubey to make her an omnipotent god and then changing whatever she wants in the Universe. However, she decided to solve only a single problem by becoming a pretty much useless force of nature. Kinda foolish, if you ask me.
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2011-12-28, 04:52 | Link #232 |
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What you're proposing is effectively "I wish for infinite wishes", which is never allowed. Furthermore, the laws of magic make it so that the good and bad of a wish are equal. Trying to make everything perfect is likely to cause the exact opposite to happen.
That, and the power of the wish comes from earnest intentions. Madoka trying to cheat the system wouldn't be as potent or powerful as acting on her feelings and sincere desires. As for useless, well, speak for yourself. She gives Magical Girls an afterlife, a chance to undo their contracts retroactively if they weren't satisfied, and makes it so that girls don't become monsters that undo everything they previously worked for.
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2011-12-28, 07:56 | Link #234 | |
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What Homura's time loops did was create the potential for Madoka to wish for something so powerful it could warp reality itself. It's possible she always had this potential but "squandered" it in previous loops by making "smaller" wishes. It's the culmination of events in this timeline that really create the wish Madoka made, simply put she had the benefit of seeing firsthand the consequences of the system before she made her choice, which she didn't have such knowledge of in previous loops. I would argue however that all of the girls, due to their intertwining fates, grew stronger as a result of Homura's loops. The problem with Sayaka is that Homura had become so isolated and focused on rescuing Madoka that she miscalculated that Sayaka would contract as well. Remember that Sayaka doesn't contract in every loop, so it was more logical for Homura to worry about Madoka than Sayaka. This nearly backfires on her a few times in the anime, as Kyubey then tries to use Sayaka to get Madoka to contract. Once that fails (because of Sayaka becoming a Witch), he then switches to directly appealing to Madoka's compassion (the entropy speech) even though we see in one of Homura's loops he couldn't care less about what happens to any of the girls or humanity itself.
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