2014-07-08, 08:45 | Link #341 | ||
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Eidos are the data of the world and they form the core of that what we see (I got that mixed up earlier). Now normal mahouka magic is about making changes to the Eidos while the natural balance in the world eventually reverts this back to normal. This is because the data can not be changed externally, but because Tatsuya ability uses the already established data to reform itself it won't be overwritten. I get that, however what is used to recreate that arm. The human body exists as data in the Information Dimension but in the corporeal world it exists as Elements in the Human Body Element Percent by Mass Oxygen 65 Carbon 18 Hydrogen 10 Nitrogen 3 Calcium 1.5 Phosphorus 1.2 Potassium 0.2 Sulfur 0.2 Chlorine 0.2 Sodium 0.1 Magnesium 0.05 Iron, Cobalt, Copper, Zinc, Iodine Selenium, Fluorine Now my problem is where do the elements come from to restore that arm. -If he cuts of his arm does he regrow it and have 2? But what did he use to reconstruct his new arm with the 1st one still around? -If he cuts of his arm does he somewhat partially rewind time which reattaches his arm? Considering the speed and how it is described this doesn't fit. This is where I'm lost as to what he actually does. |
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2014-07-08, 10:20 | Link #343 |
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Really guys, i do not understand why some people want Tatsuya to be weak, or even dislike him like hell.
1. I like the way Tatsuyas Character is build. He is strong from the beginning. He is not an emo character who is always crying, only to become rambo in the end. Tatsuya is a more realistic character than this rambo heroes or the "funny heroes" (Ise-> Highschool DxD) Tatsuyas developing has no limits. Because we know still nearly NOTHING about his TRUE powers. I do not understand people who want to make him weak. He is already very strong because he HAD his "Ganbate" phase already. With his 17 Years he is a walking, living weapon of mass destruction. BUT, there is always a problem with that. He is cold, he has nearly no feelings and yes he is manipulative. Do you remember Code Geas, Lelouche? He was nearly the same, only with feelings. (Mostly hate) And what happened in the end to him? Right he died. (The normal way, to end great series in japan) Tatsuya is build as nearly the same "archetype" of character. And we have an Japanese author. The light novel will get 25 Chapters and NO INCEST ENDING. That was comfirmed by a contract from the publisher with the author. So i think for the guys who do no like Tatsuya. Mosty likely he will die. Oh yes he will get his ultimate "Bad Ass" moment, but after that, he will admit that he is an "incomplete human" and will sacrifice himself to the greater good. Because this is a japanese Light novel, with a japanese writer and with japanese way of thinking. And the most important thing for japanese is to sacrifice themselfes for the greater good. So calm down guys, i do not think he will survive chapter 25 |
2014-07-08, 10:25 | Link #344 | |
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Against Lina it was not cut but was disintegrated, it will be the same. But if he had been in this state for more than 24 hours he would have kept one arm forever. Are you trolling or something? What power of Tatsuya is unknown? |
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2014-07-08, 10:57 | Link #345 | |
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He has still limiters on him? Tons of them? And we do not know EVERYTHING about him. A lot of time till CH 25 to get more information. |
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2014-07-08, 11:08 | Link #346 | |
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So Tatsuya is not that limited when he fights. |
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2014-07-08, 11:26 | Link #347 | |
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Yes. But that would not be enough to beat Maya. And as Tatsuya said to Miyuki. At the moment he is not strong enough to fight against Maya and the Yotsuba. Maybe some of the limiters are hiding powers in his brain, he acatually even himself do not know about. Because even in Vol. 7 not ALL of the limiters were removed. And because of that he is feared by Maya and the Yotsuba. He can pull this things off, even with his "weak" magic at the moment. And do not forget. He is "Taurs Silver". There will always be improvement for CADs. |
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2014-07-08, 11:41 | Link #348 | |
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And he was at full power in vol 7 Spoiler for Proof:
It's like that: Tatsuya at full power has access to Material Burst and more psions, these 2 are not really important in battle because nobody is even close to have a psion count comparable to him excepted his father. Miyuki can't use Cocytus without the 50% used to reduce Tatsuya's psion count and her control is less good, though it's not a problem as long as she is not fighting a worthy opponent like Lina. Her MP is not literally twice as powerful when Tatsuya is unleashed. Miyuki can limit his power to various levels and there is the password. These 2 factors plus his emotional problems make him unable to nuke his clan of his own will. CAD improvement will benefit to everyone but it certainly won't make him able to wield powerful offensive magics other than Mist Dispersion. His innate magics are at their peak, complete Decomposition and almost instant Restoration. |
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2014-07-09, 08:45 | Link #349 | ||
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You mean fusion? Other then needing several other atoms, it requires a red giant, supergiants and a supernovae before he has formed the periodic table. Obviously this all way too abstract for any story teller to think off. But he's always giving us these major info dumps telling about this magic world, how it works and whatnot. It's just that regrowth breaks the world he set up and I'm just trying to find a logical conclusion that explains regrowth in-universe. Quote:
Or otherwise uses a special particle that can form into the "information" of what used to be, to recreate said "information", but why is only Tatsuya able to manipulate that particle to form something into existence? The mahouka world has its basis in science and then uses the term magician for those that manipulate the world and it's rules. But what regrowth does is basically breaking the rules and invent some deus ex machina particle, either that or the author just doesn't have the answer. Last edited by mrSh4dy; 2014-07-09 at 08:55. |
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2014-07-09, 11:23 | Link #350 | |
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The most one could argue about is whether or not it allows the teleportation of inanimate objects to places they have been before, using coordinate information (I highly doubt it could do so to living being entirely as Tatsuya's magic has no effect on the Pushion information body (hence why he couldn't simply decompose the parasites), so that would be like separating the mind and body). As there has only been shown to be multiple Pseudo-teleportation spells and no true ones, it could be argued whether or not this potential aspect breaks the rules of the Mahouka world, but I think that it doesn't as no true teleportation spells only imply that it has not yet been discovered and if regrowth can affect inanimate objects in that way, it is very restricted only to places the item has been before in the last 24 hours. Last edited by Sinarblood; 2014-07-09 at 12:12. |
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This is unrelated to the current discussion, but it's a common misconception among the fans of mahouka, so I'll correct it here and hope that people read it.
Tatsuya's natural interference strength is not inferior to Miyuki's own, in fact it is greater. Spoiler for vol 6:
It's his artificial MCA that has inferior interference strength. |
2014-07-11, 10:50 | Link #353 | |
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So far nobody has more IS than her excepted Katsuto. |
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2014-07-11, 11:32 | Link #355 | |
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2014-07-11, 14:49 | Link #356 | |
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which implies that IS can apply to "single elements". So Tatsuya's Decomp and Regrowth might have a high Interference strength (allowing them to be cast on an Eidos that already has a spell working on it), even if it sucks for all his other magic. The only thing is that he usually uses counter-magic on things, and he has been stated (via trident) to be able to decompose data-fortification, and zone interference, so Interference strength hasn't really come into play much with him, unlike with other magical technicians. If it did, and someone for instance cast a spell that targeted their entire body decomposition's IS would have to be greater than their spells to work, but in reality since his counter magic is so strong (and not dependent on his IS at all), that spell would either be countered before the spell was cast, or stripped away as soon as it was done, so really it doesn't come into play. That said, due to Amtro's quote, and the fact that Decomposition and regrowth is his specialized innate magic, like distribution of light is Maya's, when it comes to those skills I'd have to say that he has exceedingly high IS, even if it is terrible for anything else. Fun fact: when looking through volume 1 when making this post I found a contradiction on whether or not interference strength is tested in rankings and in the high school: Spoiler for volume1 isn't tested:
and Spoiler for volume 1 is tested:
This is probably due to a translation error, but I'd just thought I'd point it out. I am pretty sure it is tested (the first quote probably being the translation error) but it is a neat little error regardless Edit: thought I'd include this quote Spoiler for volume 3:
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^Totally agree with you.
His magic directly interferes with the structural information, it's not the same as the others which alter Eidos, so saying that he has higher IS than Miyuki and the likes is wrong. He has no IS for that kind of thing but a magic which interferes directly with the information structure instead of sending fake signals and stuff. So far there is not a true name to qualify this but it is not Interference Strength, he had no IS and with the operation he gained a low one. To be able to interfere directly with the information structure(Gram Dispersion) is what makes this counter magic better than Gram Demolition which would have permitted him to decompose all of Masaki's bullets. |
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Tatsuya has Interference Strength, it's just he has two values or it, one for his artificial magic calculation area which is at a really weak level, and another value for his innate magic that is a very powerful interference.
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I think the Dr wanted to try an experiment like that during his discussion with Fujibashi during the 9SC
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