(L) Fate/Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works Movie

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by GDB

Plus if I recall in the VN, the arrow didn't just land in the general area and explode. I seem to recall it striking Berserker in the temple.

Yeah. It was aimed at Berserker. There was no hint at that point that Archer wanted to kill Shirou.

[Moczo]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Yeah. It was aimed at Berserker. There was no hint at that point that Archer wanted to kill Shirou.

Spoiler for VN Spoiler:

Actually, in the VN it was hinted that he had aimed it to try and catch Saber in the blast with Berserker, if I recall correctly.

[Angelic]

Just finished watching the movie... wow!
What amazing quality. I really liked the story over all, and really liked what they did with it.
I understand that the anime was a different route.. more EmiyaXSaber stuff, so I wasn't sure if I was going to like the other route that the movie was most likely going to show but wow I really did.

I thought the animation was top notch and blew me away (I watched it in blu-ray!), I was really impressed with how smooth everything was and how detailed the backgrounds were. especially Illya's castle. It was amazing!

I do have some fan complaints such as the whole berzerker x gilgamesh scene and how badly it all played out or how fast it all went, and especially had some bones to pick with the next scene but I can't really complain because I never played the VN so I am just going to assume that its how it actually goes. I thought berzerker should of put up a vastly better fight having god hand and what not. Besides that I actually really enjoyed the fight scenes and actually prefer most of them to their anime counterparts. I really felt the power of unlimited blade works in this film as opposed to the anime where archer was a wimp and chucked plastic swords at berzerker inside his theme park unlimited plastic toys.

I really like how they did the love story in this, they kept it subtle and didn't really emphasize but at the end of the day the viewers knew not only what was going on, but how deep and how strong the bond was. I guess it makes it easier if there isn't anybody contesting for them. Sakura was a no-show and saber never had any personal screen time which most likely made it easier!

all in all I am ALL about the UBW right now and can safely say it is one of the finest pieces of art I have ever seen. My standards are that if I can pause, take a screenshot and be willing to put it as my wallpaper (1680x1050), then it passes my inspection as amazing animation. I am really picky about animation and quality, and hate any type of pixelation. I can't even watch anime at like 800x600!, its too low!

just posting to let what I thought of the movie out.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Kimiko Khan

there are 3 reasons that i can remember why shirou was able to defeat gil which the movie for the most part skipped

Spoiler for game spoilers:

1. gil's primary source of mana aka kirie is dead and thus not supplying him mana. 2 his secondary source which was the tomb under the church filled with the surviving orphans from the fire 10 years ago was destroyed by caster so gil needed to conserve his mana as much as possible especially since he had saber to contend with once he was finished with shirou. 3 their style is similar they both use other peoples swords. gil has the originals while shirou has the fakes and gil considers this an atrocity. in all technicality shirou can't compete with gil especially when sword spamming and gil is certainly a better swordsman as he bested saber for the majority of the fate route. but shirou literally has unlimited blades. if his breaks he can make another and keep doing it with almost no sacrifice not only that but he can do it faster than gil can pull them out of his gate

There are only 2 reasons why Gil was defeated by Shirou: because of his foolish arrogance (which is your usual nasu power level circumstance) and the fact he played with Shirou's terms.

Should they kept going the swords spam before UBW (or a plain Enuma Elish right from the get go), Shirou would be turned into a ridiculous hedgehog. By no mean Gilgamesh would be dry on mana, considering the context and the setup.

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

When I saw Ilya's aortic arterial blood spray, my first impression was of the bad endings to the School Days VN.

Not a good association in my book.

It isn't only Illya: it seems every anime characters designed by DEEN staff -have- to be some unlimited blood tank for no damn reason.
Shirou had it good when slashed by Archer: it is as if his jugular or femoral were hit considering that blood spray.

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by angelicxx

I really like how they did the love story in this, they kept it subtle and didn't really emphasize but at the end of the day the viewers knew not only what was going on, but how deep and how strong the bond was. I guess it makes it easier if there isn't anybody contesting for them. Sakura was a no-show and saber never had any personal screen time which most likely made it easier!

See, I wish we had more romance between the two of them. They left out a really great part with Lancer where Shirou shows how much he cares for Rin.

Originally Posted by Klashikari

It isn't only Illya: it seems every anime characters designed by DEEN staff -have- to be some unlimited blood tank for no damn reason.
Shirou had it good when slashed by Archer: it is as if his jugular or femoral were hit considering that blood spray.

It really makes me wonder what goes through their heads. Do you think the extra blood is better? Is it a eastern-western thing? Did the Japanese fans like the amount of blood?

[grylsyjaeger]

Originally Posted by Moczo

Spoiler for VN Spoiler:

Actually, in the VN it was hinted that he had aimed it to try and catch Saber in the blast with Berserker, if I recall correctly.

That's how I remember it too.

[superzombie23]

Originally Posted by angelicxx

I thought the animation was top notch and blew me away (I watched it in blu-ray!), I was really impressed with how smooth everything was and how detailed the backgrounds were. especially Illya's castle. It was amazing!

This animation, with all due respect, is a piece of TURD compared to Kara no Kyoukai's animation quality. In UBW, you can tell they put a lot of effort into the animation frames during and after the first Berserker fight. You can tell when Rin's and Illya's hair animation is very smooth and shiny with the fire in the background; now THAT is top notch quality animation. Why didn't they make the rest of the movie like that? Beats me, but they half-assed the movie. After that part, the majority of the movie is just as bad as watching a TV series with a lot of static frames. None of the characters looks shiny anymore or their hair stays still. Only the very end of the movie with Rin on the window does it increase the quality again. So, this animation is NOT top notch quality at all. It has to be consistently smooth and shiny to be top notch, which UBW definitely is not.

Anyone who says this thing has good animation needs to watch more stuff. The only thing that helped this movie look good was the fact it's Blu-ray. KnK isn't even on blu-ray yet and it still looks better than UBW!

[Haak]

Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation? I always assumed it simply had vastly superior art.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Haak

Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation?

Hell yeah is the answer you'll be getting. I mean ufotable are some of the best animators in the business. Just compare the fight scenes, and you'll see the huge difference.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by Haak

Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation? I always assumed it simply had vastly superior art.

Long stor short: it definitely does.
The frame rate is pretty much constant (not going on a burst/slow down unlike in UBW: see the huge difference between Saber VS Berserker and the other fights).
Not only that, but the camera is vastly more inspiring and proper for the actions scenes.

[Meatrose]

The movie was good. In terms of story however this is not even close of rivaling the main route, which was covered by the TV series, but this looks a lot better and had much better action sequences (which is to be expected since it's a movie and not a TV series). In my opinion it can't be viewed as a stand-alone adaptation of the UBW route though since it's way too compressed. You NEED to have watched the TV series or played the VN to connect some of the dots and to appreciate some of the scenes the way they're supposed to be appreciated. It's a complement to the original, not a substitute.

Nevertheless, if you remove all the eyecandy you're left with a just decent story with no emotional impact worth mentioning.

(I gave it a 5/10 rating)

[przemoc]

Originally Posted by Haak

Does Kara no Kyoukai really have better animation? I always assumed it simply had vastly superior art.

Saying that KnK has vastly superior art to UBW is still an euphemism. Sure, UBW has some decent visual moments, but overall nothing shines there. This is a bit sad, because I thought that they would make proper use of UBW story and prove sceptics that they can be on par with ufotable - but they're not. Look at Paradox Spiral, half an hour shorter, but artwork is hundred times more appealing there than in UBW. Not to mention falling scene where the building looks almost like a real one.

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Long stor short: it definitely does.
The frame rate is pretty much constant (not going on a burst/slow down unlike in UBW: see the huge difference between Saber VS Berserker and the other fights).
Not only that, but the camera is vastly more inspiring and proper for the actions scenes.

And while I agree that KnK is much much better in animation too, it still could be better.
After all they're also using duplicated frames (in CFR terms, fortunately mostly only in camera-still scenes) and the same but displaced layers in multiplane camera settings. Fluidity still can be improved. Look at Remaining Sense of Pain, where Shiki attacks Asagami, who breaks her hand. Slow-motion part lacks some frames and Shiki rolling on the floor lacks some additional body positions.
Even though they're doing it obviously better. In animation everything above available resources is about perfect fooling the viewer. Deen overuses tricks and it's still not perfect in making them.

[YaminoSeigi]

Watched the movie but pretty disappointed and my reasons are pretty much the same with the others stated previously since i read the VN as well.

Just Wondering

Spoiler:

Did Archer said that he managed to save Earth from on Major Crisis in the VN? If so did he saved the world when he was a human or when he became Counter Guardian?

[GDB]

Originally Posted by YaminoSeigi

Just Wondering

Spoiler:

Did Archer said that he managed to save Earth from on Major Crisis in the VN? If so did he saved the world when he was a human or when he became Counter Guardian?

Spoiler for VN:

He saves a lot of people as a human, but never the Earth. Once he became a Counter Guardian, he'd be summoned by Alaya (part of the Earth) to prevent disasters. That's when he starts saving the earth, but he has to do so by killing those who would be responsible.

[kitten320]

Finally saw the movie.

I had mixed emotions about it though, what I definetly didn't like was how rushed some things were. Like for example when Shirou met Rider for the first time and then next second he and Rin are fighting random skeletons inside of school while Rider is already DEAD! Just what the...
It looked like if they skipped several days or something and for Rider to be killed off that fast? By Caster of all people?

I was really displeased by that... I can understand why some other things were rushed, they basicly would be repeating anime again at some point.

But now come the pluses... Shirou didn't piss me off this time! Heck, I didn't mind him one bit here! What a suprise.

No Shirou/Saber centred story, in my eyes the whole Saber/Shirou romance concentration in anime was a huge minus. Because of that story turned from cool action into sloppy melodrama where it was not needed. While here in the movie things were kept to a minimum what made whole iterection and story more enjoyable.

Actually story on its own is better here, it isn't some love war. Gilgamesh is not there to get Saber and we don't have lover quarrels.

I could understand Archer better and I found story twists far more enoyable in this movie. Also Caster and Lancer gor more screentime.

Obviously graphics and fighting scenes were great here. Also Saber was not a typical unbittable main hero despite still being one of the strongest servants, she looked equel to everyone else what makes you feel more for her.

Despite rushed story and Rider being killed off screen in several seconds, I still liked it a lot and will give this movie 9.

P.S. I hope that if animation studio will decide to animate other routes, they will turn them into anime series with 12 episodes.
24 episodes were obviously too many last time while movie was too short. I think 12 episodes would be able to make the right series justice. Especially for 3rd route which I know has far more changes than this one.

[YaminoSeigi]

Originally Posted by GDB

Spoiler for VN:

He saves a lot of people as a human, but never the Earth. Once he became a Counter Guardian, he'd be summoned by Alaya (part of the Earth) to prevent disasters. That's when he starts saving the earth, but he has to do so by killing those who would be responsible.

Spoiler:

i guess that would be make more sense since Shirou won't have that power yet before becoming Counter Guardian. Does Counter Guardian retain their memory as human?

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by YaminoSeigi

Spoiler:

i guess that would be make more sense since Shirou won't have that power yet before becoming Counter Guardian. Does Counter Guardian retain their memory as human?

Spoiler:

All Heroic Heroes remember their lives as humans. However, should they have an improper summon, their memory may be foggy for a short while. I think...Archer may have been playing dumb now that I think about it, lol.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Spoiler:

All Heroic Heroes remember their lives as humans. However, should they have an improper summon, their memory may be foggy for a short while. I think...Archer may have been playing dumb now that I think about it, lol.

Spoiler for UBW:

It's 50/50 really. Archer remembers key things about his life when he was Shirou (He recalls Rin, Saber, the Holy Grail War) but not everything. He did bluff to Rin when he said he didn't know his heroic identity however.

[Aqua Knight]

Was that Hrunting that Archer fired off the hill vs Berserker or just a Broken Phantasm?

[Blade_Lord]

Originally Posted by Murasaki

Was that Hrunting that Archer fired off the hill vs Berserker or just a Broken Phantasm?

Broken Phantasm.