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Perfect 10 | 365 | 44.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 199 | 24.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 92 | 11.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 76 | 9.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 31 | 3.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 20 | 2.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 1.11% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 4 | 0.49% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.25% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 1.72% | |
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2009-08-02, 15:06 | Link #1261 | |
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the only hint at a possibility of lelouch being the cart driver came from C.C's "naa...lelouch" line (and even that is only one out of three possibilities) and even THAT has been jossed repeatedly by everything and finally put to death in the Z-R addition where C.C HERSELF makes it clear that he is dead they didnt make it an open ending people just DECIDED that it was an open ending and they did this by ignoring the implications of lelouch's being alive (namely, that it would turn him into a complete prick)
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2009-08-03, 16:08 | Link #1262 |
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Can somebody please give me an example of a plot hole in this show again? Any will do. I see this comment so often that I need to know what it is that people are pointing to as plotholes and then maybe I can figure out why this has caught on so much in reactions to a show where I really can't remember glaring plotholes. Like honest to god I have been waiting over a year now for somebody to actually point out a valid show breaking or even just a minor plot hole now. If it's so prevelant sombody has got to have an example that isn't just something they found unrealistic or whatever. Keep in mind that a plot hole is when something happens in a show that should have been impossible based on a contradiction with something else that has happened or been defined prior or concurrently with the event, not something that wasn't explained in full detail as many people seem to think is the definition of a plothole. Like here:
Plot Hole: The 1992 film Rock-a-Doodle also has a plot that seems to contradict itself. Chanticleer is a rooster who appears to cause the sun to rise every morning. When the sun rises without him one morning, the other characters believe he is a fraud and so he leaves. It then begins to rain eternally and so the lead characters search for Chanticleer so that he can make the sun rise again. Thus the narrative contradicts whether or not Chanticleer does indeed cause the sun to rise, and if so, it never explains why it rose without him at the film's beginning. Not A Plot Hole: The World of C which is the collective unconsiousness of the human race somehow exists as an accessible location in the human world as ruins, but it is never explained who build these ruins or how they managed to connect them to subspace or whatever. Ones a plot hole, the other is just an unfortunately half-baked idea that could have used more exposition. That's kind of one of the reasons why I am hoping for a sequel. They really left a lot of concepts hanging. What you mean like weekly? How is this out of the ordinary or bad? Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2009-08-03 at 16:20. |
2009-08-03, 16:51 | Link #1263 |
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if by plot hole you mean something that outright contredicts the established rules of the universe
i might have something for you suzaku's geass curse suddenly becoming something that he triggers intentionally putting aside the whole "why can he trigger it intentionally (which is also odd) the contrediction part comes from the fact that so far, every time lelouch orders someone to do something, they cant remember what happened or what they did if suzaku's geass command triggers then he shouldnt be able to remember anything that happened during its activation time he should just sort of "wake up" after each use in a dazed state a second plot hole comes from the fact that while shnizel had always been presented as lelouch's equal and most difficult rival (intelectually) in the last arc lelouch is able to predict EVERYTHING about him including that he would try to escape the moment that Lelouch boards the damocles and then EVERYTHING that he would say in a conversation that SHNIZEL STARTS right down to what questions he would ask and how fast he would talk and the conversation that they have is a deep philosophic debate over the nature of mankind the first example contredicts the way that lelouch's geass works for about 46 episodes the other contredicts shnizel's position as lelouch's arch-rival in the most pethetic way (enough in my opinion to be called contredictory) it would be like suzaku losing to tamaki in KMF combat in terms of outright defengment as a threat but in general i think that most people care less about actual "plot holes" and more about wallbangers i know thats what I usually care about more plot holes require you to sit down and think about eamples wallbangers are self evident (the second example i gave is either a plot hole or a wallbanger, not sure which is better)
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2009-08-03, 16:58 | Link #1264 |
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The Geass Command was never shown to be contradicted. It activates in two ways: when Suzaku himself intends to die, or when someone tells him to live. This was first demonstrated when Euphy told him to live, in the first season. As for the memory loss, we've got nothing to show that he actually does remember what he does. If he trained himself to use the Geass Command to his advantage, then its likely he's trained himself to no longer be dazed when he puts it into use.
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2009-08-03, 17:02 | Link #1265 | |
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and how do you train yourself to not be dazed by waking up in the middle of the fight only to discover that you just beat someone to death with their own skull that doesnt seem physically possible
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2009-08-03, 17:04 | Link #1266 |
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Well we already know that Suzaku has inhuman capabilities. As for Suzaku activating it on his own, we know that if he feels he must die, it activates. As such, it stands to reason that the reverse can be true. If Suzaku may feel he must live, the Geass command could activate like that as well. In fact, by actively working with the command, it may grant him a bit more control over it, such as letting him choose how he should live on.
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2009-08-03, 17:07 | Link #1267 |
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it still contredicts what it means
and he starts resisting it even before the last arc, during his fight with bismark (saying it was telling him to run but he was resisting it) and there had never been another geass command that worked like that but like i said i care more about wallbangers then plot holes
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2009-08-03, 17:10 | Link #1268 | |
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2009-08-03, 17:13 | Link #1270 |
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He wasn't able to resist it for long, as you know. He eventually bolted. Sure, he did it so he could try and stop Lelouch, but that still required giving in and fleeing from the danger of fighting Bismarck.
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That's all there is to that scene, but man if people just don't remember it right anymore. Sometimes I remember how much people actually remember the events of Code Geass so much as they remember what they think they remember about Code Geass based on the intensely negative and exaggerated reactions leading up to the viewpoint. Uncle John could probably do an entire section of his mythconceptions on Code Geass for the next bathroom reader. Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2009-08-03 at 18:03. |
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2009-08-03, 17:44 | Link #1272 |
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if you want to call it a contrivance i'll except it
but you at least have to concede that it was a big one and like i said i usually find wallbangers more significent then plot holes they are usually more facepalm inducing after all, unlike plot holes, someone had actually set down and WROTE the wallbanger
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2009-08-03, 17:55 | Link #1273 | |
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2009-08-03, 20:05 | Link #1276 | |
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I disagree that the Geass command had nothing to do with it. Yes, I said he had different reasons for running like he did, but it was still influenced by the Geass command--when he bailed out to go stop Lelouch, his eyes were aglow with the red rings, signifying that the Geass command had control of him again. Which means that, essentially, he stopped resisting the command and let it run its course, regardless of whether or not he meant to.
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2009-08-03, 20:12 | Link #1277 | |
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As I've said elsewhere, I find his willful activation of his Geass perfectly acceptable. Just a little self-delusion will accomplish that. What gets me is the fact that he's in full control of himself and remembers exactly what he's doing. That's when it stops playing by the rules.
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2009-08-03, 20:28 | Link #1278 |
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Well, we don't know if he remembers all of it. We also don't know if he doesn't remember all of it, which is the problem. As for the total control, I just think that he's given some leeway or able to influence the path taken by the Command if he isn't fighting it. It seems to me he's working with it, so he's able to alter what path it takes, so long as that path still keeps him from dying.
Kinda like at when he's using the anti-FLEIJA spear. I imagine normally, the command would've made him bail if he stood still near an impending FLEIJA explosion. But by working with the command, he's able to choose his response... and that makes him choose "Hey, let's use this spear to neutralize the explosion so I stay alive." That's how I see it, at any rate.
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2009-08-03, 20:41 | Link #1279 | |
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2009-08-03, 20:58 | Link #1280 |
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Well its not like the person fulfilling the command goes entirely brain-dead while the command is carried out. They'll be conscious during its effects, as is everyone who gets spoken to when a command is being fulfilled (for example, the Intel guys speaking to Suzaku about there being nothing to report). Its just that they won't remember it afterwards.
Usually, the command is some specific instruction, like "Fetch me a rock," or "Deliver this toothpick". "Live" is a pretty vague command, and can be fulfilled a number of ways. I imagine that the command Suzaku has, when he attempts to resist it or doesn't work with it, makes him do the easiest method of fulfilling it: Get the hell out of the way. Simple and effective. I just think that if he works with the command, he's able to choose the other, less-effective methods of survival, such as throwing spears at giant antimatter explosions.
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