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Keroko · 2009-08-01, 04:03

Ironically, despite all the whining about it, the rise of the Nanoha fandom didn't happen until StrikerS.

Wild Goose · 2009-08-01, 05:28

Yep. I still recall Triad dropping StrikerS in a hissy fit because there wasn't enough loli. Oh well.

Personally, despite the flaws in StrikerS, I rather enjoy not feeling like a dirty pedo while watching my anime.

Sheba · 2009-08-01, 05:46

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Originally Posted by Wild Goose

Yep. I still recall Triad dropping StrikerS in a hissy fit because there wasn't enough loli. Oh well.
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Not really. The TRAINING episodes that seemed to not end killed Triad's motivation.

Back in the day, before StrikerS, an image macro described Nanoha as shounen without its bullshit tropes, such as the training episodes. Now, it is much a shounen, the manag even had a tournament chapter.

The problem is how to handle the conventions of the genre. If the training was for nothing (as in the hero STILL GET OWNED by the bad guy instead of doing better, if not marginally), it would be like Dragon Ball, Naruto and Bleach.

MeisterBabylon · 2009-08-01, 05:55

I don't recall fanfiction ever falling once hitting critical mass, though I know that the output starts getting mired with junk once things get long enough...

Tk3997 · 2009-08-01, 06:36

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Originally Posted by MeisterBabylon

I don't recall fanfiction ever falling once hitting critical mass, though I know that the output starts getting mired with junk once things get long enough...

Then you clearly aren’t very observant.

Fanfiction always peeks shortly after something comes out, most of this goes no where and the vast majority of people bugger off quickly to the next fad. This leaves a smaller core group that writes for longer, but will still move on eventually. Only a very select few franchise can claim to have a continuing high output of fan content over extended periods of time. The biggest thing about such franchise is they all tend to be ongoing and constantly releasing new official content. This not only helps keep previous fans, but also attracts a stream of new ones to keep the talent pool full.

Stand alone series can be popular for a time, but if they finish and the author moves on and no new material is forthcoming you can expect the fandom to have a half-life of perhaps five years at best, a bit more if the series was very influential. People may well still like it, but they won’t keep producing new fan material for it in any significant quantity after a few years and the trickle of new people discovering it later won’t be able to counter the brain drain of the “old guard” leaving.

Wild Goose · 2009-08-01, 07:06

As is what happened with Eva. After Rakna, Strike Fiss and Random were done, the Eva fandom shrunk.

Though things might heat up with the movies though...

NorthernFallout · 2009-08-01, 10:15

Spoiler for With nothing better to do atm..:

Spoiler for Crest of the State:

From the view of a member of the Cancri State, it comes forth as a promised land, a nation and state where everyone is an equal. In its current utopian state there is no poverty, no racism and no corruption. Freedom is available to anyone and everyone has the right to make their voice heard inside the State.

The Cancri State is also a powerful political machine, with a lot of connections to those unwilling to be engulfed in its glory. Smaller nations are regarded with respect, not hostility, and a stable relationship is retained at all times to ensure a fruitful future for the planet.

There is no rank or nobility. Showing loyalty to one's fellow State citizen and the State itself is all that is required to live a wealthy life inside the borders. There is work for everyone, the State always has available positions, customized to an individual's preferences, skills and knowledge. Money is seldom an issue. Some have more than others but before the State they are all the same and has every right available to them, regardless of capital status.

The Cancri State Military reflects this in its structure. A powerful organization, taking care of its own. Each individual filling a purpose and taking care of those who have felt ill. They are the mainstay of the Cancri State, an important factor in everything they do. However, they are more inclined on diplomacy and politics than plain warmongering. If there is an alternative, they think it over hard before an decision is made.

That's, as mentioned, the view from those that are a part of the State. The ones that are not, the exiled, those left behind, has another story to tell about the Cancri State.

Accused for crimes they have not committed, punished for sins non-existent. Scapegoats created by the State to keep the people within satisfied. There is a lot of enemies against the Cancri State, both fictional and real. Fictional threats that is showed to the public, official displays of power to put blame on someone else. The real threats, being kept in secrecy and dealt with by the Cancri State Military in the shadows.

The power the military has is already too strong for the democracy to function out in the open. Corruption and power fights are not unusual. The tactics the military uses, the weapons they develop, all of them are a mere excuse for a greater goal.

And now, with the power to travel across the voids of the cosmos, no world will go safe when, not if, the Cancri State decides to expand. Their corruption will grow longer and more powerful. They will get what they want, by force or otherwise. There is no middle-ground in the long term.

AdmiralTigerclaw · 2009-08-01, 11:52

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Originally Posted by AtomicoX

From the view of a member of the Cancri State, it comes forth as a promised land, a nation and state where everyone is an equal. In its current utopian state there is no poverty, no racism and no corruption. Freedom is available to anyone and everyone has the right to make their voice heard inside the State.

Man, that's one hell of a propaganda machine running... and I haven't even gotten to the rest of the description to tell you that's a load of HORSESH*T!

Utoptia? No racism? No poverty? Nore Corruption?

What do these people take? Injections of emotion stopper chemical like in Equalibrium? Because the very Nature of the Human Animal makes anything short of a Totalitarian/Military Enforced regime running said 'Utopia' completely impossible.

*Reads the rest.*

I didn't think so.

Time to make them all hate us for their own good. Commence Attack!

MeisterBabylon · 2009-08-01, 18:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tk3997

Then you clearly aren’t very observant.

Fanfiction always peeks shortly after something comes out, most of this goes no where and the vast majority of people bugger off quickly to the next fad. This leaves a smaller core group that writes for longer, but will still move on eventually. Only a very select few franchise can claim to have a continuing high output of fan content over extended periods of time. The biggest thing about such franchise is they all tend to be ongoing and constantly releasing new official content. This not only helps keep previous fans, but also attracts a stream of new ones to keep the talent pool full.

Stand alone series can be popular for a time, but if they finish and the author moves on and no new material is forthcoming you can expect the fandom to have a half-life of perhaps five years at best, a bit more if the series was very influential. People may well still like it, but they won’t keep producing new fan material for it in any significant quantity after a few years and the trickle of new people discovering it later won’t be able to counter the brain drain of the “old guard” leaving.

It shows how long a time since I've trolled fanfiction.net...

AdmiralTigerclaw · 2009-08-01, 20:16

One thing that helps a particular fandom is a dedicated community.

ASMR (A Sailor Moon Romance) operated for a considerable amount of time after its release...
The site slowely fell into 'disrepair' because the owners stopped updating. However, fiction and random rabid forum goers continued to visit the site until its termination in 2006. And there's still some fandom out there producing art content, though scattered. I haven't bothered looking myself. But I recall there's still active sites lurking here and there.

If Sailor Moon was released around 1993 or so... That makes that particular fandom about sixteen.

That's a pretty good run with a half-life of eight years. Then again, it's a 200 episode series, a large manga, has several movies, and they just revitalized it with the Live Action... (Which I will not watch because I take one look at Japanese live action ANYTHING that doesn't involve godzilla and want to slam my head into a concrete wall at 200 MPH. It's like they have this block in the brain that prevents them from blending false components with the real action. Haven't they heard of Green Screen?)

So it's had an IV in it keeping it active.

MeisterBabylon · 2009-08-01, 23:41

I believe a certain someone would scream "YUU DONT HAFU SENTAI SPIRITO!!!" right at this moment.

AdmiralTigerclaw · 2009-08-01, 23:55

*BANG!*
"Spirit doesn't stop bullets."

Random Rider: X_x

EDIT: As not to double post...
Here's another segment as the fight continues between Crash and the Forwards... After managing to get one up on Erio, Subaru catches up, and this will follow up with Tia near the end of this segment. I'm trying to maintain a certain aptitude of near-match one-up in Crash's favor single on, but with things falling apart for him as they manage to tag team him. Keep me informed.

Spoiler for Continuing on:

synaesthetic · 2009-08-02, 10:22

lol @ Subaru's failed FALCON PAUNCH

Wild Goose · 2009-08-03, 02:00

It's because she isn't a certain semi-retired Combat Instructor that her falcon punch failed...

Afterall, Falcon Punch cannot beat the awesomeness of Rider Kick Black. >:3

Sorry Aaron, the crack drew me in and wouldn't let go.

Next up! New mage plan! Combat Instructor Kotaro Minami!

arkhangelsk · 2009-08-03, 09:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by AtomicoX

And now, with the power to travel across the voids of the cosmos, no world will go safe when, not if, the Cancri State decides to expand. Their corruption will grow longer and more powerful. They will get what they want, by force or otherwise. There is no middle-ground in the long term.[/SPOILER]

You mean, the thing's basically the stereotype of the Soviet Union, though the propaganda program might have worked better...

NorthernFallout · 2009-08-03, 09:45

You could say that, yes. It's one source I draw inspiration from.

Nagumo · 2009-08-03, 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wild Goose

It's because she isn't a certain semi-retired Combat Instructor that her falcon punch failed...

Afterall, Falcon Punch cannot beat the awesomeness of Rider Kick Black. >:3

Sorry Aaron, the crack drew me in and wouldn't let go.

Next up! New mage plan! Combat Instructor Kotaro Minami!

Obviously, Subaru should have went the Ultraman route.

SPECIUM RAY!

Keroko · 2009-08-04, 17:40

Since Goose is going to continue the Mio half of things on his side, I've been doing some more thinking on the Next Generation for Keroko on my side. As I've always said that Yuunoko would be my main ship if NanoFate was ever made canon, I went thinking what a child between these two could be.

The result is as interesting as it is terrifying.

Spoiler for The devil child? The terror of dragons?:

NorthernFallout · 2009-08-04, 17:58

Oh my god I think we need to evacuate Mid-Childa.

TheShinySword · 2009-08-04, 18:27

I'm starting to think Kero doesn't like Mid very much since he plans on unleashing that.

2009-08-01, 05:28	Link #7742
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	Yep. I still recall Triad dropping StrikerS in a hissy fit because there wasn't enough loli. Oh well. Personally, despite the flaws in StrikerS, I rather enjoy not feeling like a dirty pedo while watching my anime. __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2009-08-01, 05:55	Link #7744
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	I don't recall fanfiction ever falling once hitting critical mass, though I know that the output starts getting mired with junk once things get long enough... __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2009-08-01, 07:06	Link #7746
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	As is what happened with Eva. After Rakna, Strike Fiss and Random were done, the Eva fandom shrunk. Though things might heat up with the movies though... __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2009-08-01, 10:15	Link #7747
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	Spoiler for With nothing better to do atm..: Spoiler for Crest of the State: From the view of a member of the Cancri State, it comes forth as a promised land, a nation and state where everyone is an equal. In its current utopian state there is no poverty, no racism and no corruption. Freedom is available to anyone and everyone has the right to make their voice heard inside the State. The Cancri State is also a powerful political machine, with a lot of connections to those unwilling to be engulfed in its glory. Smaller nations are regarded with respect, not hostility, and a stable relationship is retained at all times to ensure a fruitful future for the planet. There is no rank or nobility. Showing loyalty to one's fellow State citizen and the State itself is all that is required to live a wealthy life inside the borders. There is work for everyone, the State always has available positions, customized to an individual's preferences, skills and knowledge. Money is seldom an issue. Some have more than others but before the State they are all the same and has every right available to them, regardless of capital status. The Cancri State Military reflects this in its structure. A powerful organization, taking care of its own. Each individual filling a purpose and taking care of those who have felt ill. They are the mainstay of the Cancri State, an important factor in everything they do. However, they are more inclined on diplomacy and politics than plain warmongering. If there is an alternative, they think it over hard before an decision is made. That's, as mentioned, the view from those that are a part of the State. The ones that are not, the exiled, those left behind, has another story to tell about the Cancri State. Accused for crimes they have not committed, punished for sins non-existent. Scapegoats created by the State to keep the people within satisfied. There is a lot of enemies against the Cancri State, both fictional and real. Fictional threats that is showed to the public, official displays of power to put blame on someone else. The real threats, being kept in secrecy and dealt with by the Cancri State Military in the shadows. The power the military has is already too strong for the democracy to function out in the open. Corruption and power fights are not unusual. The tactics the military uses, the weapons they develop, all of them are a mere excuse for a greater goal. And now, with the power to travel across the voids of the cosmos, no world will go safe when, not if, the Cancri State decides to expand. Their corruption will grow longer and more powerful. They will get what they want, by force or otherwise. There is no middle-ground in the long term. __________________

2009-08-01, 23:41	Link #7751
MeisterBabylon ~ Your Smile ~ Author Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: 346Pro Age: 38	I believe a certain someone would scream "YUU DONT HAFU SENTAI SPIRITO!!!" right at this moment. __________________ 白露型駆逐艦の４番艦、夕立です。第三次ソロモン海戦では、けっこう頑張ったっぽい★？

2009-08-01, 04:03	Link #7741
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Ironically, despite all the whining about it, the rise of the Nanoha fandom didn't happen until StrikerS.

2009-08-01, 20:16	Link #7750
AdmiralTigerclaw Sword Wielding Penguin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Subspace, Texas Age: 39	One thing that helps a particular fandom is a dedicated community. ASMR (A Sailor Moon Romance) operated for a considerable amount of time after its release... The site slowely fell into 'disrepair' because the owners stopped updating. However, fiction and random rabid forum goers continued to visit the site until its termination in 2006. And there's still some fandom out there producing art content, though scattered. I haven't bothered looking myself. But I recall there's still active sites lurking here and there. If Sailor Moon was released around 1993 or so... That makes that particular fandom about sixteen. That's a pretty good run with a half-life of eight years. Then again, it's a 200 episode series, a large manga, has several movies, and they just revitalized it with the Live Action... (Which I will not watch because I take one look at Japanese live action ANYTHING that doesn't involve godzilla and want to slam my head into a concrete wall at 200 MPH. It's like they have this block in the brain that prevents them from blending false components with the real action. Haven't they heard of Green Screen?) So it's had an IV in it keeping it active.

2009-08-01, 23:55	Link #7752
AdmiralTigerclaw Sword Wielding Penguin Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Subspace, Texas Age: 39	BANG! "Spirit doesn't stop bullets." Random Rider: X_x EDIT: As not to double post... Here's another segment as the fight continues between Crash and the Forwards... After managing to get one up on Erio, Subaru catches up, and this will follow up with Tia near the end of this segment. I'm trying to maintain a certain aptitude of near-match one-up in Crash's favor single on, but with things falling apart for him as they manage to tag team him. Keep me informed. Spoiler for Continuing on: “I’m not going to get him on my own,” he commented through a telepathic link. “Back me up!” “Already here!” Subaru responded. “Coming in hot!” Crash spun to check Subaru’s marker as the color blinked. She was gliding in fast on her wing road, fist back for a punch. The revolver knuckle was already spinning rapidly, indicating she was charged for an attack. Crash remembered how Roland had sent her tumbling from a single shot, and snapped his rifle up as she closed to unavoidable distance. “CRACK! CRA-CRACK!” Crash fired a quick burst off… but to his chagrin, Subaru didn’t go down. Instead, she had interposed a barrier between them to block the shots. In the last moment, he understood his mistake. “REVOLVER PUNCH!” The blow connected with the chest plate, and sent Crash flying backwards right through a wall, causing part of it to crumble, but the building held easily. “Ow!” Subaru complained, shaking her hand out. “What’s that armor made of? That actually hurt!” Crash picked himself up, and got a running start. She’d used her momentum up on that punch, he had to hit back now while she was dawdling! Scooping up the light pole that Erio had cut down previously, the pilot took a wide swing. Subaru took a defensive posture and swung her revolver arm out to meet the pole. The flimsy aluminum piping it was made of buckled easily, but served to leave her open as Crash dropped it and jumped at her. Subaru dove to the side as a metal boot smashed a hole in the street. Crash did his best to spin to face the cyborg as she righted herself and threw a punch. Somewhere in his mind, something Fox had taught him caught up with the situation. It was almost instinctive when he caught the hooked swing with both arms and continued to spin with it, flipping Subaru around him and depositing the girl harshly face-first on the ground. For just a moment, her cyborg strength was useless with this leverage. Crash pulled her arm up and back and prepared to stomp lightly into her shoulder blade. Dislocate the shoulder and upper arm, and she’d be out of the fight, but the injury would be easily healed by the medica- “WHAM!” Erio blindsided Crash at just the right moment. The pilot went headfirst through the windshield of a parked truck before tumbling out and past it to land upside down against a wall. “He was going to pull my arm out of its socket!” Subaru complained as she stood up, working the sensation out. Erio established a combat stance next to her as he responded. “He’s taking this session seriously. I know after what happened today I would too.” “Then I’ll take it seriously too!” she grinned, smacking her fist into her palm. Crash meanwhile, placed his hands on the ground and pushed himself up before regaining his feet. After a glance around for options, he rushed forward at the truck he’d hit and flipped over it. The reinforcing servos for his hands allowed him to dig his grip in like nothing else, causing his gloved fingers to pierce the roof of the truck with ease. As the he came down, his weight and momentum transferred nicely and the truck swung into the air behind him. With an almost deft move, he completed the motion by flinging the whole thing high through the air towards Erio and Subaru. Subaru halted her palm slapping motion gaped a little as the vehicle arced at them. “Whoa…” Erio stepped forward, thinking less about the unusual, and more about the here and now. Strada swept up and over his head, slashing into the truck. With a grunt, the vehicle was sliced in two, and crashed to the ground on either side of them. Unfortunately, in cleaving the truck in half, Erio left himself wide open and completely unwound for what came behind. Crash hammered the boy clean in the face with a power-fisted punch that would have smashed through a steel plate. The auto-guard managed to pick up the blow and Erio didn’t even receive a bloody nose… But he still got slammed into the rubble pile from the rooftop he’d cut down. Crash landed, and was forced to duck a wheel kick as Subaru took advantage of the moment. Yanking his rifle off his back again, he tried to swat her with the butt-end. Subaru bounced away and ducked as the pilot jabbed and swung wildly trying to club her. She evaded several more attempted swings before capitalizing on an opening. “Too slow!” she taunted, and socked him in the faceplate when he over-extended. Crash stumbled back. She was right, all this physical power, but he was still the one making the moves, and his ability to keep up was starting to suffer from all the fast moves. Crash took another swing but realized before he even got half way there he’d telegraphed his move and took a half axe-handle to the back of the helmet. They were trained for combat, and had stamina. He was in good shape himself, but most of the stuff he’d dealt with physically never lasted more than a minute. The armor provided raw strength, but did nothing to assist with taking massive swings near constantly. Rolling clear of a punch into the concrete, he managed to bounce away from Subaru. The alarm beeped and the marker for Tia chose that moment to flash on the display, Crash threw himself further back as an orange magic bolt passed in front of his head. The center came swinging in, firing a second shot that caught Crash’s chin-shield and sent him sprawling. Crash huffed and punched the ground before pushing himself up on his knees. Now it was three on one, and he was really starting to slow down. Airborne maneuvering was easier than all the moving and swinging. That was fine… Attack power meant nothing if he was no longer able to keep up. Battery picked up on the issue and the MADAM immediately diverted power from attack over to mobility enhancement. A moment later, a cartridge puffed and ejected. The spike in his heart rate was accompanied by a warm feeling as the fortification magic washed away the fatigue. At the same time, Battery took the protective initiative to cover his momentary opening by firing off a salvo of Howler Flares. “Not those things aga-“ Tia never finished before being drowned out by the combined roar. Subaru was caught right in the middle as she’d turned to go for a finisher, and covered her ears reflexively. By virtue of being both the closest, and completely open. It was no surprise when Crash stepped out of the turbulence already wound back for a full-scale punch, and clocked her without mercy right in the stomach. The autoguard never perceived the oncoming attack through the noise, and only her barrier jacket prevented any real injury as she was catapulted right into, and through a windowpane. Crash stumbled back as the Marker indicating Erio suddenly flashed, and not a moment too soon. The boy’s blade came right down where he’d pulled his fist back. Thank Cooper for building the Heads Up Display in this helmet. Without the tracking markers, he’d never be able to keep up. Speaking of indicators, Tiana’s beeped ominously too, forcing the Pilot to throw a hand out, generating a Wedge Shield that flickered from the impact. Erio, however, was determined not to be ignored, and began to slash as he put himself back in his optimal striking position. Squeezed between a twirling combat spear and a ranged user, Crash could feel the pincers tightening as he swung the wedge shield around quickly to block bolts, then whip to deflect a magic blade. Caught in the middle was very BAD. If Subaru jumped back in… “Battery, plot an egress!” he huffed between blocks. Battery complied without user knowledge by sending out a series of sub-sonic and ultra-sonic pulses, using sonic mapping to detail the local terrain and environments. Unlike airborne maneuvers, a surface level hop could result in coming out of a jump buried half way through a wall. The mapping slowed things down, but the Device was looking for a target vector that would give its master the best tactical advantage. And then it found it. [VECTOR READY] “HIYAAA!!!” Subaru came hurtling out of the building at top speed, once again going for a revolver punch. And this time, Crash had not the time, nor the grace to try shooting, or a catch-n-fling. A corner of his mind noticed a change in the gaps between attacks. They were in fact, so used to fighting together that they were falling into a coordinated strike pattern. However, Crash had literally no time to dwell on the thought. “Now!” [MACH STRAFE] A single cartridge discharged. “THUM-WHOOMP!” Crash vanished, suddenly, and instantly. The only telltale sign of the event was the usual distortion of light followed by the compression wave of air moving to fill an instant vacuum. Subaru skidded right through the empty space, no longer trying to punch as Erio aborted his own swing. “Movement magic too!” the cyborg barked in surprise. “Jeeze! He’s just full of tricks!” Tia sighed, looking towards Nanoha’s distant flying form. A thump in the distance got their attention. “Short-range instant transport spell,” she continued. “I could use something like that. Let’s go!” Last edited by AdmiralTigerclaw; 2009-08-02 at 01:05.

2009-08-02, 10:22	Link #7753
synaesthetic blinded by blood Author Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Age: 39	lol @ Subaru's failed FALCON PAUNCH __________________ Indie science fiction author and all-around weirdo: Check out my original fiction here! Read an excerpt from my sci-fi novel Binary System!

2009-08-03, 02:00	Link #7754
Wild Goose Truth Martyr Author Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Doing Anzu's paperwork. Age: 38	It's because she isn't a certain semi-retired Combat Instructor that her falcon punch failed... Afterall, Falcon Punch cannot beat the awesomeness of Rider Kick Black. >:3 Sorry Aaron, the crack drew me in and wouldn't let go. Next up! New mage plan! Combat Instructor Kotaro Minami! __________________ One must forgive one's enemies, but not before they are hanged.Heinrich Heine. *I believe in miracles.* Order of Freelance Mages (Goose's Nanoha OC Project)

2009-08-03, 09:45	Link #7756
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	You could say that, yes. It's one source I draw inspiration from. __________________

2009-08-04, 17:40	Link #7758
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Since Goose is going to continue the Mio half of things on his side, I've been doing some more thinking on the Next Generation for Keroko on my side. As I've always said that Yuunoko would be my main ship if NanoFate was ever made canon, I went thinking what a child between these two could be. The result is as interesting as it is terrifying. Spoiler for The devil child? The terror of dragons?:

2009-08-04, 17:58	Link #7759
NorthernFallout The Interstellar Medium Author Join Date: May 2008 Location: [SWE] Age: 34	Oh my god I think we need to evacuate Mid-Childa. __________________

2009-08-04, 18:27	Link #7760
TheShinySword Master of the Shiny Crack Author Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: In a cave	I'm starting to think Kero doesn't like Mid very much since he plans on unleashing that.