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2010-07-27, 10:00 | Link #6982 |
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As expected, a nice happy ending to a pretty creative chapter
But I have to say that my heart was _bleeding_ for Ayumu when she was walking home, completely crestfallen, and thinking "Hayate-kun mo... Nagi-chan mo... yappa watashi no koto nante doudemo ii no ka na" (Hayate-kun too... Nagi-chan too... I guess I don't really matter to them after all) Ow. Seriously ow. Even though the resolution was really really sweet, this moment really stung. *Ayumu fanboy in pain* |
2010-07-27, 12:16 | Link #6983 | |
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2010-07-27, 12:57 | Link #6984 |
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Man, I think Ayumu is slowly becoming the bond in the group, probably as much as Hayate.
I mean, she's already befriended Hina and Nagi, who are like the difficult girls. I'm sure the other girls can come along with time. Now, if she ever meets Athena, and befriends her too, I guess we can forget about Hayate, and have this become Ayumu's lesbian harem. I, for one, welcome our lesbian overlords. Personally, I'd find it terribly off-putting if something like that does happen, and Hayate goes due to pressure and not out of his own will.
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2010-07-27, 13:07 | Link #6985 | |
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Athena doesn't have the personality, nor the connections to Hayate to make Ayumu even consider the possibility. It was already done once, the Shimoda Hot Springs arc. Besides, Ayumu would be glad to spend time with Hayate regardless of the reason, and she would find a way to try to drive Hayate into Hinagiku's arms (again).
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2010-07-27, 13:16 | Link #6986 | |
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Haven't read it yet, (You guys are too fast! *shakes fist*) but the backstage comments kinda made it sound like the mini-arc was over. More "Well that was fun" then "continues next week" if you know what I mean. Maybe we'll get something in the transition over to the next story, though.
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2010-07-27, 14:25 | Link #6988 | ||
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If you're going to drill, drill to pierce the heaven's. Athena's surname has the kanji for heaven on it. Go, go Ayumu. Quote:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, even if Athena is my favourite character, I wouldn't mind an Ayumu end at all. Back in the day, I thought it was impossible, but now she's really good friends with the main heroine, and she's best friends with the most popular girl in the manga. She's progressed and lot and she keeps on progressing. She demonstrates that hard work pays off, even when you fall along the way, as long as you keep on working, something will come out. This is something like what Mika*cough* I mean, Santa told Hayate, and Ayumu has not needed wealth, high IQ, great physical abilities or nothing great in particular other than unwavering determination to prove that much.
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2010-07-27, 14:40 | Link #6989 | |
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Nagi has Hayate working for her, the other girls go to school with Hayate. Those give Ayumu the drive to become part of their group. Athena has neither of these qualities. With no reason to try, coupled with a person who's unwilling to give it a chance, the likelihood of even a friendship between Ayumu and Athena is what's impossible.
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2010-07-27, 15:06 | Link #6990 | |||
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The thing with Ayumu is that while she's made great strides in forming relationships with other girls, her relationship with Hayate hasn't progressed much from where it started. To her credit, she's been upfront about her feelings for him since her introduction, but her development keeps moving her firmly towards "friend" territory, to the point where Ayumu herself recognizes that she wants to be around Hayate more then anything else and can come to terms with him choosing someone else. I don't disagree on your assessment of Hina and Athena though. Athena has made herself a non-factor until she at least shows up again and does something, and Hina is still exactly where she's been since her birthday arc. Quote:
I also think it's pretty telling that Nagi started showing real signs of increasing emotional maturity during Golden Week and is rapidly growing into a different character ever since. I mean, there's barely more then a hint of the old jealousy/misunderstandings that used to be everyday life for her, (I'm starting to think Nagi really did figure things out and that's what she meant by "words only cause misunderstandings" back in 253) and even Hayate has been giving her the "who is this pod person and what have you done with the real Nagi" stare every couple of chapters now. Quote:
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2010-07-27, 15:19 | Link #6991 | |
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2010-07-27, 15:27 | Link #6992 | |
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Neither was it suggested that Athena is going to be interacting with anyone without using Hayate for some purpose. Since Ayumu is looking to interact in a friendly manner with those who interact with Hayate, and Athena appears to want to manipulate things around him (reminiscent of Mikado), the likelihood of a friendship between Athena and Ayumu is unlikely
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2010-07-27, 18:50 | Link #6993 | ||
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Sure, in terms of a love relationship, it hasn't moved much. However, they started as barely friends in the beginning, with Ayumu having a mere crush on him at the beginning, only to be turned down by Hayate. However, eventually she got over from it and kept on pursing Hayate more earnestly, becoming more open with her own feelings as the story kept on moving, to the point in which she can speak about her feelings casually around Hayate, and even go as far as to kiss him (in the cheek). Those are things no other girl, with the exception of Athena, can claim to have done. Quote:
This is why I said I don't count Nagi as a romantic interest. If things change in the future, and she starts getting romantic development, then that'd be a completely different story. Until then, I simply cannot put her in that category.
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And LOL You really want this to turn into a polyamorous yuri series? What have you been seeing in your dreams!? Share them with me!! Quote:
I don't know whether Hayate would friend zone her or not, but its also a possible outcome, but as Hayate always does, he would summon a very ear deafening band of circus band in Ayumu's confession or gets hit by an otaku bomb from Nagi and stuff. Hina might as well trap Hayate and have her and Ayumu confess at the same time, to know whether whom Hayate chooses would beneficial for the both of them, that is to prevent a long one-sided relationship. Sorry I'm really biased to Athena, so I think that her appearance would also start the progression of the other girls' relationships, that is rushing to band in against a big and powerful boss. If other girls couldn't even get Hayate notice and Athena doing it easily in ch261, I doubt they're going to win him alone. We could might as well say that Athena would drag Hayate into an empty room halfway in the night and command him to well, you know. Quote:
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Otherwise, I think it's just a difference in expectations. This isn't the kind of manga where Hayate is going to act overtly in love with a 13 year old girl, so it's goes without saying that their relationship will remain extremely understated unless/until Nagi grows older. Er, in other words I don't expect a Nagi/Hayate ending to be anything but a very gradual one that doesn't get the sort of romantic development you're talking about until very late into the series. I still see her as the default winner, though. If nothing else, if she wasn't intended as the primary romantic interest, you'd expect some other girl would occupy that role and none of them really fit the mold. Quote:
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2010-07-27, 19:42 | Link #6997 |
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Wow, this thread is actually moving. And quite fast at that.
Well, while I don't have anything very insightful to add to this very deep discussion you're having, I'll just say that I believe that most events in the manga don't really count or mean much, as first and foremost it's a comedy manga, and such tend to change quickly and unexpectedly. Don't be surprised if some weird development takes place where Hayate ends up with Sonia, or some other character we haven't seen for a while. Yeah, I expect it to be absurd just like that. Although, have you considered the possibility that their assumed "family like relationship" turns around after they realize that they've been this close to each other for so long, and haven't even realized how much they like each other (well, mostly Hayate)? This might happen if they're ever separated by some event, or whatever plot twist that Hata might throw in. Perhaps even a date between the two as a dare from one of the side characters? That would be interesting to see. Hayate has already been on a "date" (or even multiple ones) with Ayumu, and Hinagiku, and... well, I don't really remember who. I think he went out with Maria as well, right? It would be about time for those two to go on a real date. I wonder how would Hayate take it if he found out about her feelings? And now that she doesn't have all the money in the world to "protect" her anymore..... Hehehe... Well, although absurd things may happen, I'll stick with what Hata said about the eternal love & protection thing, but I agree that it would be a huge upset if he went for anyone besides Nagi at this point. Especially if it was some girl from 10 years ago that's barely even shown. Unless the manga continues for 200 or more chapters with that said girl present....
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2010-07-27, 19:45 | Link #6998 | |
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As for Ayumu, I'm thinking the 'eternal' promises will be stretched to include her by the end. Eternal Love - Athena, Eternal Protection - Nagi, Eternal Friendship - Ayumu. I think she'd be very pleased with herself for gaining that title for herself. I don't really see any of those three 'winning' at the end, but they will be eternally thought of
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2010-07-27, 21:59 | Link #7000 |
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Now I'd really like to see Hayate go on a real date with Nagi. Even if it was a "date", where he would remain completely oblivious for the entire time to her feelings, while she tries to make him notice her...
Sort of like the time with Hina and the amusement park. Well, anyway, this week will be a double issue, am I right? So, we won't see a new chapter until next month, or will it be next month, so we won't see it then? Ah, it's all the same, regardless... These double issues sure are a pain, eh? But at least Hata won't die of a fatal heart attack for no apparent reason, or >insert premature death cause here<. That would seriously suck. Has a mangaka ever died before finishing his / her work? Imagine following something for such a long time only for it to end abruptly like that.... ...................... No, I don't want to imagine that! Waaahhhh!! >___<
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