2009-08-10, 10:43 | Link #501 |
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I was justing rereading Charmed at First Sight LOVER! and found this useful quote for the shiping discussion:
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Kyon do not help here. He clearly states he would feel uneasy if someone start dating Mikuru or Nagato. He also says he don't need to worry about Haruhi bacause it would never happen. Yeah. |
2009-08-10, 10:53 | Link #502 |
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Oy, I got a ton of things to contribute...
The Snow Mountain Pattern It is my beleif that the fake-people who visited the rooms were NOT a result of Yuki. Keep in mind that she's CUT OFF from the IDTE at this point, so her data manipulation is heavily impaired. Also, she's spending most of her processing power towards finding an escape. HENCE THE PATTERN. The escape program was indeed created by Yuki, but she didn't have the necessary information to complete her equation. Through her observations, she was able to recognize certain planar consistancies the Canopy Domain was using, and was able to compile a program based on these patterns. However, the final pattern came when the Canopy Domain created the replicas to go into the rooms. Why they did this has yet to be determined (or why they captured the SOS Brigade in the first place), but it probably has to do with provoking a response from each of the members for observation. By this time, Yuki's program was nearly complete, and she had several data sets to choose from that would complete the program (the other tiles). The final pattern she needed was the "4", but by then, she was way too exhausted to complete it herself. I do beleive the Canopy Domain's creations were of each member's most romantic interest, in order to produce the strongest reaction. Haruhi vs Sasaki Again, I hold to my opinion that Sasaki was never the true god. Take note that Kyouko and the others only approached her AFTER Sasaki ran into Haruhi and made her jealous. I beleive it was at this point where Sasaki was bestowed with powers that rival Haruhi, because Haruhi herself identified her as a rival. I also beleive that Sasaki hadn't met Kyouko and the rest until after that meeting. After all, when she ran into Kyon the next weekend, she described her relationship to the others as "acquiantances who just met". To me, it seems like Kyouko was just waiting for something like this to happen, so that she could tear the world-altering powers away from Haruhi and give them to someone more stable. And the Canopy Domain probably can't observe Haruhi because of an agreement with the IDTE, but Sasaki would be fair game. Fujiwara just wants to mess with Mikuru, so this would be his way. What also leads me to beleive this is the case is the lack of response from Koizumi before now. Don't you think he would have mentioned before that Kyon's middle school friend ALSO had god-like abilities? |
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On the Kyon Theory... I've always believed that the motives and actions of the three factions strongly disprove this claim:
I may have gone off on a tangent there, so summarizing what I was trying to say: Kyon Theory is loosely based on the inauthenticity of Koizumi Itsuki and all the coincidences that were really not. It holds till now only because Dissociation introduced the need for Kyon to be in the Anti-SOS Brigade to transfer Haruhi's power over to Sasaki. The method itself has not yet been speculated on or discussed in detail mostly because of the indefinite postponement of Surprise (Volume 10).
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2009-08-10, 11:04 | Link #504 | |
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Kaisos may get upset with me for this, but... Kyon is still showing much more comfort over the idea of someone else going out with Haruhi than he is with someone else going out with Mikuru and Yuki. Actually, Kyon's comments on Mikuru and Yuki made me laugh - he almost sounded like Tatewaki Kuno (from Ranma 1/2) talking about Akane Tendo and the pig-tailed girl. Yes, Kyon, you can have them BOTH! |
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You also have to ask, if all they needed was the four pattern, why would Yuki manipulate so much data as to send a fake person to everyone's room, including her own to get such a simple number? She's cut off from the IDTE, so her data manipulation has been greatly decreased. I don't think she had the capability of doing that. Quote:
Also, I'm sure Koizumi mentioned that he did a backround check on Kyon's past acquaintances too while performing the one on him. Can't seem to find it now though. |
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Don't think so. They may be jsut trying to make it secret. If they are a smaller organization, is better hide things. |
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2009-08-10, 11:31 | Link #509 | |
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Kyon would like for Haruhi to have a boyfriend. Whether or not he himself feels up to the job is the real question... |
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2009-08-10, 11:33 | Link #510 | |
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Since when, after all, did Kyon care, in his thoughts, about Itsuki's delight, relief, comfort, etc.? I think that's a flag too.
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2009-08-10, 11:38 | Link #512 | |
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Actually, this makes a certain degree of sense to me. Kyon would like Haruhi to have a boyfriend. He's going to hang out with her and be close to her to ensure that she eventually gets a boyfriend - himself, if necessary. But he's really hoping that somebody takes the burden away from him. Kyon is technically right - romantic bliss could conceivably do a lot of good for Haurhi, which is good for the world, which is good for Kyon's friends. It would be kind of funny if the novels basically ends on the note of "For the good of the world, I will shoulder the incredible burden of being Haruhi's boyfriend. This is no small sacrifice, and yet I will never be lionized or memorialized for it. Oh, woe is me... but I must stay strong for the good of the world." |
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2009-08-10, 13:09 | Link #515 | |
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2009-08-10, 13:23 | Link #516 |
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I disagree. Sure, there are great benefits for being romantically involved, but there's a flipside to the coin. Would you be willing to handle the repurcussions of Haruhi, a teenaged girl, having a bad fight with her boyfriend? I think it's much safer to keep her single.
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Of course, perhaps I'm giving Nagato's designated antagonists a little too much credit here.
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So, even if she wasn't god-powered at that point, there was definitely something special about her. Unless it's Haruhi's powers at work, or something like that. You'd think Koizumi would recognize that though. Quote:
This reminds me of the theory that the original three groups are, in fact, the bad guys, (though their representatives are good) and the antagonist groups the good guys, although their representatives are, uh, not the best of people. |
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Meanwhile, the Canopy Domain provided the Brigade with quite a bit of luxury during SMS, Kyouko's group seems interested in trying to give Haruhi's powers to someone a little more emotionally stable, and Fujiwara's group seems to be interested in removing time travel altogether. Yeah, I'd say that theory would make a lot of sense.
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