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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam 00 - Episode 18 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 199 | 69.34% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 65 | 22.65% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 5.23% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 4 | 1.39% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 2 | 0.70% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.70% | |
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2008-02-10, 15:23 | Link #323 |
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very gripping episode
I got more respect for Setsuna as a protagonist after this episode. Setsuna as a main character didnt really do anything for me till this episode. This missing hand convey the horrors of war really well. It will be interesting to see what paths Saji will take after this episode. I actually like Saji the most out of all the male characters, all the other male characters are crazy. Last edited by bbduece; 2008-02-10 at 15:26. Reason: more |
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2008-02-10, 15:26 | Link #325 | |
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So yes, Setsuna has every right to judge other people. I don't see why he was wrong for being angry, since he just heard from Lockon something like 800+ civilians killed at the hands of the Thrones. And you seem to have forgotten that Setsuna is trying to redeem himself for his past sins. That's the reason why he's a Gundam Meister, and that's the reason why he rescued Massoud Rashmadi (religious leader in Azadistan) and return him back to Marina back in Episode 13. Incidentally that's the same reason why Tieria doesn't like him (he thinks that Setsuna can be out of control). These are civilians, by the way. There's something called "rules of engagement" in war, and as a soldier you're not supposed to kill civilians unless they're involved directly in the conflict. There's a reason why the Red Cross are internationally given safe passage and neutrality in war. Now Johann targeting a war factory can at least be justified on the grounds that they produce weapons, but Neena... I'm sorry targeting a wedding party is just terrorism. I can't see how you can defend Neena, even if you dislike Louise. |
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2008-02-10, 15:30 | Link #326 |
You are not Gundam
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Holy crap, this episode was &%#@ING EPIC!!!!!!!!!!
Neena is just pure evil. Who the hell gives her the right to blow up a random wedding party because she was overworked and bored!!! Graham is officially my most favourite character in Gundam 00, he owned eins with only a customized flag. All he need now is a Flag that is coated in red and 3 times faster!!! So Setsuna F. Say Yeah challenges the thrones by himself. Even though his chances of winning are low i'll still root for him. PROVE THAT YOU'RE A GUNDAM SETSUNA. |
2008-02-10, 15:30 | Link #327 |
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Man! This episode made me hate that Nena even more!!! WTF is wrong with her??? Destroyed someone's wedding just because she feels like it!!! I hope Setsuna kill her!!!
But I think this Gundam series is really good. I mean, they made Louise lost her arm and legs(right??? becuase I don't see any of her legs left.) In other Gundam series, especially Gundam Seed and Seed Destiny, Fllay and Stella died, but they don't have to suffer anymore. For Louise, being like this can be really hard for her and Saji, too. I like how they willing to risk the reality with this Gundam 00 |
2008-02-10, 15:33 | Link #328 | |
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2008-02-10, 15:35 | Link #329 | ||
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I'm not that judgemental with Setsuna. It's very realistic for all those civilians to die, but i also would necessarily say they deserved it. A lot of us are mechanical, electrical, aeronautical engineering majors and there's a high chance in the future we'd be out there in those places designing and building weapons of war... i wouldn't say we deserved to die Quote:
Hence at the end he says as a true Gundam Meister "I have decided that the 3 Thrones are the source of conflict Engaging intervention."
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2008-02-10, 16:18 | Link #330 | |
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About louise saji yeah you said their role will probabaly be still in the show fact is neena caused it to change. So because of neena it had an actual meaning the whole happy yaddi yaddi crap was to make people like you feel sympathy towards them to dislike neena more so they can kill her off. SO you and the gross of the viewers feel satisfied. You know if i was a soldier i wouldnt kill civilians either but i do think the whole yeah a civilian died so now i need to hate a person who killed civilians more then killing soldiers is a bit dubious. Why because imo they both humans thus for me the same right to life. Who is there to say that killing a soldier is more human then killing civilians. Whats the difference cuz 1 is holding a gun and the other isnt? Its still killing you think the relatives of a soldier or a civilian care less if their family is a soldier or a civilian. Death is death and in death everyone is for me equal as also living thus i will not make a big difference (i dont say there is not a difference) in the killing itself. I mean if you wanna talk how bad it is that they shot at that wedding ceremony geuss what taking out that armoury for me was far more worse then that ceremony. You know why 800 people died yet i dont hear you say OMG i hate her/him they killed 800 people. Thats 800 people dude you wanna tell the sorrow of the people involved with those 800 is less noteworthy?? For me thats bullcrap. THATs why im like lol she shot at a wedding ceremony cuz at the point where killing starts deaths are all the same. @Tsukiyomi you do have a point that making your own judgement is a good think but i think sumeragi is the good 3rd party as she analyzed the situation and acts accordingly. Setsuna has little info not what sumeragi has and immediatly does what he wants. This isnt GSD and he is pretty much heading that way which i dislike cuz i dont wanna see defects left and right. @Chase you dont read what i said man "yeah neena didnt have to do that if you look at it from a moral point and i agree" what part of this you dont understand. Im not saying she has a right to do it im just saying seeing how wars always have civilians and considering i dislike louise im not gonna be OMFG how sad. Im more like lol finaly some story. If i had to watch setsuna from the day he was born till that civil war where he killed his parents i would skip that part. @KaiZX you know let me tell you something no one has the right to be judging people lets leave that to judges and if you believe in god to god cuz the moment people start judging is when wars start(aka setsuna). Also if you do not know the meaning of those 800 deaths then you dont know whats going on or cant see the bigger picture. If you can take out a warfactory and kill 800 people or fight 3 years and tire yourself to death but kill 100000 civilians in cities in the process my choice is easy made. And geuss what those generals from the countries where those 800 civilians died see it as the same. My point is setsuna acts impulsive which is WHY lockon puts a gun up his head to tell him to cool down as i would. Thing is you can really see he is from that kurdishstan(whatever the name was) infighting seems to be his forte at this point. I said it already he shoudl follow sumeragi's point get more info on the matter before going attacking your own comrades EVEN IF THEY ARE AGAINST you. about the neena i aint defending her basically im just watching this from the side and im like dawn 17 eps of annoying 2 min crap and from this moment on thats all changed. But if you ask me do you think she was right i would say no. That you can see that is beyond me though about the whole neena deal let me tell how my personality is. Look like any sane person here i know what can and can not. The thing is and i know that alot of people think the same also. Im sorta like a kira i would not go on a killing spree but im also like if i see a psycho killer pff Then i think in my mind "just kill him". Now if i had a death note book i would use it for something else. Now when i watch Gundam 00 im like OMFG this girl is annoying then its like her family is killed and suddenly i shoudl go all emo on her nah f*ck that:S. Basically what im saying is It might be harsh what im saying about louuise but its not that i would not agree with you on the good moral issue here. For me its entertainment. and i dont feel like over hyping the political correct awnser on a forum simply cuz louise annoyed me since day one. I like micheal alot cuz he is a wa crazy maniac and i like graham if they both died i would be like nooooooooooooooooooooooooo but im not gonna whine against people like you who say lol he finaly he got owned. I mean seriously its a show why so damn serious about a fictional charif neena dies the next ep i forget it the day after. What i think is sad is that country of setsuna those peopel suffered year after year that hit me more then this incident. This neena thing for me was just a big plot hole to make a story i mean the whole reason of louise and saji was made for this which i already knew was going in this direction which is why it did not have much meaning for me for me it was L.O.L. Neena you were that bored Last edited by wtfftw; 2008-02-10 at 16:41. |
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2008-02-10, 16:36 | Link #332 |
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i'm not going to repeat what everyone else said, but this ep was EPIC. the turning point between 00 being a good show to 00 being a great show.
neena is heartless. the way they did the wedding part was so brutal that it shook me. And cheers to Graham for outclassing Johann. He was not caught off guard, as anyone who watched the ep can see. next ep seems to be just as epic as this one. Michael vs Setsuna. the Saji x Louise scene was really well done as well. however, if Saji goes Kira on us, i swear to god i will start crying. |
2008-02-10, 16:38 | Link #333 | |
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It has absolutely nothing to do with "victims of war" or any form of Collateral damage. It is not like a stray shot during a conflict hit the party: she deliberately attacked the wedding. That is not collateral damage in any shape or form: it is massacre, plain and simple. What she did is below terrorists attacking civilians, as those actually carry some intent with them. She was simply bored, and thats it. A white, padded room is exactly the right place for her.
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2008-02-10, 16:50 | Link #335 |
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Finally something really interesting happens and too bad it's this late into the anime. This episode was great because it really changed the direction in which this anime was going for me.
From the moment they introduced the new Throne pilots, I knew they were going to be trouble especially the younger two of the three siblings. Neena gave off an aura of a spoiled child while the brother was a battle hungry psycho. Wow, like everyone else I finally understand why Saji and the other civilians were part of this anime. It was such a tragic and powerful scene when we get to see what happens to Louise, her family, and Saji's reaction. They give viewers a whole new perspective to this whole war. True that Louise is kind of a spoiled princess but she's just a normal girl. Poor Louise...
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2008-02-10, 17:12 | Link #337 | |
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2008-02-10, 17:27 | Link #339 | |
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If johan would strait her out she would listen that doenst point out to me that she is psycho. If i would take your psycho as psycho half the pilots would fit that description and i dont think mdbauben meant that while i do agree with you on that indeed the act from a scientific view is psycho. I justd ont think mdbauden said that i think its was cuz of the bitch part with the psycho^^ |
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