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Dean_the_Young · 2008-06-23, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Traece

There are a few people who have denied the possibility of Lulu's attack being even plausible.

In terms of sinking an entire fleet, it isn't. It has about the same plausibility as, say, a musket man consistently shooting more accurately than someone with a M-16. Not physically impossible per say (the M-16 user could get a bug in his eye, or the sight might be slightly off), but it's right about the probability of the second coming.

But then, that entire battle was rather BS from the start. Once the sub was spotted (and even before that, due to how close those depth charges were), it should have been broken in two well before the bubbles rose. A glorified transport submarine has no chance against modern anti-submarine weaponry once identified, and technically it could have been heard once it started leaking and being compromised.

And, of course, no one worth their paycheck would put a land general in charge of a submarine.

NoLongerSane · 2008-06-23, 21:22

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Originally Posted by tenken627

Lelouch has a history of using unorthodox battle methods by using the terrain in that manner, and the Britannians should be looking out for that type of strategy. To beat your enemies, you have to know what your enemy is capable of.

But, Suzaku shouldn't be reprimanded for not preparing for such an unnatural event.

If anything, people should be questioning how Lelouch pulled a map of the sea out of his ass and knew about some random underwater methane processing factory/storage that just happened to be directly under the Britannian fleet.

I agree with you that Suzaku should not be repremanded for losing the fleet to Lelouch due to the explosive use of methane deposits. But what I am noticing is the Britania must be forgiving to it's Knights. The one incident that comes to mind is how Suzaku manage to let 1 million Japanese get away. Normally such an incident would have a person executed, Suzaku still manages to keep his Knight title.

yezhanquan · 2008-06-23, 21:28

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Originally Posted by NoLongerSane

I agree with you that Suzaku should not be repremanded for losing the fleet to Lelouch due to the explosive use of methane deposits. But what I am noticing is the Britania must be forgiving to it's Knights. The one incident that comes to mind is how Suzaku manage to let 1 million Japanese get away. Normally such an incident would have a person executed, Suzaku still manages to keep his Knight title.

You mean the Emperor. I believe Charles lets them run loose, as long as they don't screw up to the exten that things cannot be salvaged. In fact, I think the man delights in seeing people screw up and others dying in the process.

blitz1/2 · 2008-06-23, 21:51

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Originally Posted by tenken627

Lelouch has a history of using unorthodox battle methods by using the terrain in that manner, and the Britannians should be looking out for that type of strategy. To beat your enemies, you have to know what your enemy is capable of.

But, Suzaku shouldn't be reprimanded for not preparing for such an unnatural event.

If anything, people should be questioning how Lelouch pulled a map of the sea out of his ass and knew about some random underwater methane processing factory/storage that just happened to be directly under the Britannian fleet.

Lulu has map-hack. What do you expect and God mode to boot.

Maybe he even inserted his unlimited resource cheat code as well.

SoldierOfDarkness · 2008-06-23, 21:56

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Originally Posted by yezhanquan

You mean the Emperor. I believe Charles lets them run loose, as long as they don't screw up to the exten that things cannot be salvaged. In fact, I think the man delights in seeing people screw up and others dying in the process.

I don't think he cares. He's pretty much the kind of guy that would go,

"We'll leave it up to God."

And on another note, thanks to Dann, I took a look at episode 8 and it just hit me.

Suzaku could very well 'forgive' (not sure) Lelouch if he finds out the truth behind Euphie's murder.

At least the translation I have was that, "If your memories have returned, then please tell me why you had to kill Euphie, you could've done something else for her."

yezhanquan · 2008-06-23, 22:01

Well, yeah. Suzaku desperately wants to know the reason behind her murder, not least because he likes/loves her, and had to lie to a dying lady to let her leave in peace. If he knows of the Geass and who gave it to Lelouch, his rage might be turned towards C.C.

hanseo · 2008-06-23, 22:02

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Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Well, yeah. Suzaku desperately wants to know the reason behind her murder, not least because he likes/loves her, and had to lie to a dying lady to let her leave in peace. If he knows of the Geass and who gave it to Lelouch, his rage might be turned towards C.C.

but the point is lelouch killed her not CC

yezhanquan · 2008-06-23, 22:09

It was the Geass which started the ball rolling, because Suzaku knew as well as Lelouch that Euphie will never order the massacre unless something has gone horribly wrong. There is a silm chance that, after knowing the truth, Suzaku will think of Lelouch as only the "messanger", and that C.C. was the one behind most of the stuff that was going on.

hanseo · 2008-06-23, 22:15

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Originally Posted by yezhanquan

It was the Geass which started the ball rolling, because Suzaku knew as well as Lelouch that Euphie will never order the massacre unless something has gone horribly wrong. There is a silm chance that, after knowing the truth, Suzaku will think of Lelouch as only the "messanger", and that C.C. was the one behind most of the stuff that was going on.

but lelouch had to accept CC's contract to obtain the geass so if he never done that euphie would still be alive

yezhanquan · 2008-06-23, 22:17

I think Suzaku will always blame Lelouch for Euphie's death. But, they were buddies once. C.C. will become a convinent target board.

Vallen Chaos Valiant · 2008-06-23, 22:20

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Originally Posted by hanseo

but lelouch had to accept CC's contract to obtain the geass so if he never done that euphie would still be alive

If he didn't accept the Geass, then the unconscious Suzaku would be killed off for real after Lulu dies.

No point pushing the causality loops that far back; it doesn't make sense that way.

Orga777 · 2008-06-23, 22:31

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Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Well, yeah. Suzaku desperately wants to know the reason behind her murder, not least because he likes/loves her, and had to lie to a dying lady to let her leave in peace. If he knows of the Geass and who gave it to Lelouch, his rage might be turned towards C.C.

The problem with that is it could have all been avoided if Lelouch held his tongue once and a while. He IS a braggart and ego maniacal, and he doesn't do much to hide that, and it usually comes back and hurts him.

yezhanquan · 2008-06-23, 22:34

Well, you can't really blame a teenage boy, who's really brilliant, to brag about it once in a while.

Orga777 · 2008-06-23, 22:44

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Originally Posted by yezhanquan

Well, you can't really blame a teenage boy, who's really brilliant, to brag about it once in a while.

I would agree to that... If he didn't ALWAYS do it. <.<'
That is one of Lelouch's traits that make him a interesting character though. His outrageously large ego and his braggart attitude.

yezhanquan · 2008-06-23, 22:46

Orga777: I think we may have to continue at the Lelouch thread. This is Suzaku's place, after all.

kk2extreme · 2008-06-23, 23:21

one question, why didn't suzaku asked for geass on top of being a knight?

NoLongerSane · 2008-06-23, 23:27

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Originally Posted by kk2extreme

one question, why didn't suzaku asked for geass on top of being a knight?

Thankfully that writers remembered that Suzaku already has been granted inhuman abilities. Giving him Geass would really have his opponents at a very distinctive disadvantage.

Orga777 · 2008-06-23, 23:30

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Originally Posted by kk2extreme

one question, why didn't suzaku asked for geass on top of being a knight?

Because maybe Suzaku doesn't want the Geass and all the burdens it carries. I must say that is smart of him too.

kk2extreme · 2008-06-23, 23:32

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Originally Posted by NoLongerSane

Thankfully that writers remembered that Suzaku already has been granted inhuman abilities. Giving him Geass would really have his opponents at a very distinctive disadvantage.

but he does not have high intellegence like lulu or even xingke, if he has the geass, then it would make up for his lack of IQs.

Orga777 · 2008-06-23, 23:44

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Originally Posted by kk2extreme

but he does not have high intellegence like lulu or even xingke, if he has the geass, then it would make up for his lack of IQs.

He doesn't have to be a super-genius. He isn't a dunce... Besides, he makes up for that in strength and reflexes.

2008-06-23, 22:01	Link #1966
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	Well, yeah. Suzaku desperately wants to know the reason behind her murder, not least because he likes/loves her, and had to lie to a dying lady to let her leave in peace. If he knows of the Geass and who gave it to Lelouch, his rage might be turned towards C.C. __________________

2008-06-23, 22:09	Link #1968
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	It was the Geass which started the ball rolling, because Suzaku knew as well as Lelouch that Euphie will never order the massacre unless something has gone horribly wrong. There is a silm chance that, after knowing the truth, Suzaku will think of Lelouch as only the "messanger", and that C.C. was the one behind most of the stuff that was going on. __________________

2008-06-23, 22:17	Link #1970
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	I think Suzaku will always blame Lelouch for Euphie's death. But, they were buddies once. C.C. will become a convinent target board. __________________

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yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	Well, you can't really blame a teenage boy, who's really brilliant, to brag about it once in a while. __________________

2008-06-23, 22:46	Link #1975
yezhanquan Observer/Bookman wannabe Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Singapore Age: 38	Orga777: I think we may have to continue at the Lelouch thread. This is Suzaku's place, after all. __________________

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kk2extreme Your wife is hot... Join Date: May 2008 Location: At your house fixing A/C	one question, why didn't suzaku asked for geass on top of being a knight?