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Marcus H. · 2010-11-22, 20:07

Shana has two sides, the brutal albeit n00bish Flame Haze who ruthlessly hunts Crimson Denizens, and the little kid who likes sweet stuff.

After Wilhelmina bids goodbye to her in Hongkong, she travels alone, for some time landing on Europe, where she meets Sophie Sawallisch, a veteran Flame Haze who notices her lack of strategy in combat and her lack of human common sense (Shana's practically a Wolf Child in a sense). She continued her wandering and ends up in Japan, where she travels to Yosegi City and, later on, to Misaki City.

Game8910 · 2010-11-22, 23:22

Zoetrope was hilarious in that aspect, I knew that no one ever taught Shana trivial things when she was training to be a Flame Haze but I never thought it was that bad

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She didnt know how to buy things from vendors, in fact I recall her trying to prove Sophie that she could once, resulting in more lulz.

She had absolute 0 shame, walking stark naked into rooms after taking showers, etc...Sophie had to use some harsh punishment (along to yelling at Alastor for not teaching her such things as shame) so she could finally get the concept. Its also from that moment on that she started to hide alastor everytime she had to undress, etc...

alvinkhorfire · 2010-11-22, 23:54

Game8910

Where can I obtain the plot summary of Zoetrope? Is it available in this thread?

Senshigeia

More information about power of existence can be found in Shakugan no Shana Terminology and Metaphysics Discussion Thread, posted by Kinny Riddle.

The main point is:

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Which humans are qualified to become Flame Hazes? Basically, since these are powerful Crimson Lords, so they require "vessels" large enough to contain their existence. Usually, people with such "large existences" tend to be very influential people in society, like nobles and royalty. Example: Khamshin was a prince of a long forgotten kingdom, while Wilhelmina Carmel was a princess in medieval Europe. This may also imply that Shana, who "is large enough to contain [Alastor] with room to spare" may be of noble heritage or descended from someone influential, despite her being "an orphan", but we'll see.

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Shana has two sides, the brutal albeit n00bish Flame Haze who ruthlessly hunts Crimson Denizens, and the little kid who likes sweet stuff.

We have seen in Shana S OVA Episode 2: Domicile that much younger Shana was very polite towards Wilhelmina when she asked her whether there is anymore important date to remember. Fast forward to slightly grown-up Shana, as seen in Anime Season 1: Episode 14, Shana was quite rude towards Wilhelmina who was preparing her for bedtime. So, what triggered the transformation in her atitude towards Wilhelmina, I wonder?

Game8910 · 2010-11-23, 01:18

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Game8910

Where can I obtain the plot summary of Zoetrope? Is it available in this thread?

nope, i read it because it came with my vol5 of the manga released by viz

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We have seen in Shana S OVA Episode 2: Domicile that much younger Shana was very polite towards Wilhelmina when she asked her whether there is anymore important date to remember. Fast forward to slighly grown-up Shana, as seen in Anime Season 1: Episode 14, Shana was quite rude towards Wilhelmina who was preparing her for bedtime. So, what triggered the transformation in her atitude towards Wilhelmina, I wonder?

well....most people tend to reach that "rebellious" stage

Blutsauger · 2010-11-23, 06:19

Wait, Viz has released Volume 5? So have they continued it again? After stopping for soo long?

@Game8910- I remember that scene in Season 1 of the Anime. I guess she was childish and immature though. I mean, right after that, she knew the responsibilities of being a Flame Haze and accepted Alastor which showed to me when she was completing the contract that she seemed to mature a lot in a short period of time...IMO

Marcus H. · 2010-11-23, 07:14

Volume 5 of the Manga, by the way.

Senshigeia · 2010-11-23, 09:15

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Senshigeia

More information about power of existence can be found in Shakugan no Shana Terminology and Metaphysics Discussion Thread, posted by Kinny Riddle.

Thank you very much, that was very enlightening

Maybe Shana's past will be explained in the end of the story...

Game8910 · 2010-11-23, 13:35

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Originally Posted by Blutsauger

@Game8910- I remember that scene in Season 1 of the Anime. I guess she was childish and immature though. I mean, right after that, she knew the responsibilities of being a Flame Haze and accepted Alastor which showed to me when she was completing the contract that she seemed to mature a lot in a short period of time...IMO

actually in the scene from S ep 2, Shana must have been like what....8-9 years old? In the season 1 episodes when she becomes a flame haze (is rude to wilhelmina, etc..) Shana was already 12, its about the age when kids start to defy parents and stuff

Senshigeia · 2010-11-23, 14:33

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actually in the scene from S ep 2, Shana must have been like what....8-9 years old? In the season 1 episodes when she becomes a flame haze (is rude to wilhelmina, etc..) Shana was already 12, its about the age when kids start to defy parents and stuff

I thought Shana was Yuji's age, like 15 or something... I think she wasn't immature, she is just strong willed.
In season 1, like episode 14 or something, where Shana remmembers the days when she used to train, I think she was like 12 years old, or something like that. To me, she was more alike Shana from the end of season 2 than when she meets Yuji. She must have been through a lot while she was alone fighting...

Blutsauger · 2010-11-23, 16:28

I think that they are around that age. 14-15 seems about right. But, before that, in a little short mini series kind of thing. I think it went for a single entire episode. It was showing when the rainbow flamed guy that the previous enpatsu shakugan no uchite was alive, made the promise to her that he would train the next one and fight her in turn or something. So when Shana accepted Alastor, and the monster Mystes that killed everything besides humans was there and Shana defeated him and then went outside and fought and defeated the rainbow flame. That was with the motorbike guze no tomogara thing. How Bel-Peol gave a key or something to him to defeat Shana, but the Mystes got in the way and killed him while protecting Shana because she was a human at that time. At least that's what I remember...Please correct me if I am wrong.

Hooves · 2010-11-23, 16:34

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Volume 5 of the Manga, by the way.

I actually had good hopes that ViZ was finally being nice to us with Volume 5... But Manga... no..

Blutsauger · 2010-11-23, 18:19

Same...-sigh- I guess we can't get our hopes too high with Viz can we...?

Hooves · 2010-11-23, 18:24

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Same...-sigh- I guess we can't get our hopes too high with Viz can we...?

Well.... With the long period of no volumes ever since they took away Baka-Tsuki's license to translate them, and it has been... What 2 years since a single volume has released from them, I'm not going to give hopes on them anymore...

blitz1/2 · 2010-11-23, 18:27

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Same...-sigh- I guess we can't get our hopes too high with Viz can we...?

I;d say we take this underground!

and have a secret group to translate it (it could be a renamed Baka tsuki >

)

Marcus H. · 2010-11-23, 19:49

IRC should be the viable option if you do want things translated without the eyes of Viz glaring at you.

Game8910 · 2010-11-23, 20:35

Regarding Shana's age...well obviously its never given, and who knows how many years passed between her becoming a flame haze, her meeting Sophie (although it didnt look like a long time passed between the 2 events) and then meeting Yuji. I do think that in ACTUAL age they might be about the same age 15-16 but if I do recall correctly in novel 1 (ViZ translated) Shana is described as having the "looks" of someone around 12...sure its not her age but, Its the closest we ever got to an actual confirmation.

Marcus H. · 2010-11-23, 22:45

Well, we can consider the fact that Hongkong is already thriving at the time of Shana's ascension. I'm guessing she's about 20 years old (true age).

Blutsauger · 2010-11-23, 23:57

Really? I haven't read the Light Novels yet...
Oh! If possible, because I'm going to Japan soon, can any one give me any stores that may sell any of the light novels? I anyone here lives in Japan that is...
I figured that because she goes through school in the Anime that she would be of high school age. But the Light Novels are far ahead...And this thread is about them, so Yeah. Ok.

Senshigeia · 2010-11-24, 13:53

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Well, we can consider the fact that Hongkong is already thriving at the time of Shana's ascension. I'm guessing she's about 20 years old (true age).

And what about Yuji? I mean, that makes her older, if Yugi is 16 or 17 years old... I don't mind, but it's very unusual for the girl to be older than the boy. Sure, Shana is small and tiny, but that doesn't mean she is like a 12 year old... I mean, I am little, and though I am 22 years old, people often say I am 17 or 18. Shana is a "flat chest" so, that makes her look even younger. Further more, she really acts like a 20 year old, in the end of anime season 2, being all grown up and all and accepting Yoshida-san's friendship, dispite their love triangle...

Blutsauger · 2010-11-24, 16:44

Well, previously, she wouldn't have the experience with socialising as much as she did, through-out. To me, she seemed to have the same level of maturity no matter where (excluding eating Meron-pan) but her opinion just changed on what life was about. She previously thought that she was 'just' a flame haze to defeat guze no tomogara, but when getting to know Yuji, she wanted to be with him more although she still does her job as a flame haze. If you get what I mean...

2010-11-22, 20:07	Link #2781
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Shana has two sides, the brutal albeit n00bish Flame Haze who ruthlessly hunts Crimson Denizens, and the little kid who likes sweet stuff. After Wilhelmina bids goodbye to her in Hongkong, she travels alone, for some time landing on Europe, where she meets Sophie Sawallisch, a veteran Flame Haze who notices her lack of strategy in combat and her lack of human common sense (Shana's practically a Wolf Child in a sense). She continued her wandering and ends up in Japan, where she travels to Yosegi City and, later on, to Misaki City. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2010-11-22, 23:22	Link #2782
Game8910 Shanacon/Ariafag Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a room full of despair Age: 34	Zoetrope was hilarious in that aspect, I knew that no one ever taught Shana trivial things when she was training to be a Flame Haze but I never thought it was that bad . She didnt know how to buy things from vendors, in fact I recall her trying to prove Sophie that she could once, resulting in more lulz. She had absolute 0 shame, walking stark naked into rooms after taking showers, etc...Sophie had to use some harsh punishment (along to yelling at Alastor for not teaching her such things as shame) so she could finally get the concept. Its also from that moment on that she started to hide alastor everytime she had to undress, etc... __________________ HEY GUYS BE NICE AND VISIT MY BLOG WILL YA? Latest Update: Spring 2011 Impressions (part1) Spring 2011 Impressions (part2)

2010-11-23, 07:14	Link #2786
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Volume 5 of the Manga, by the way. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2010-11-23, 19:49	Link #2795
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	IRC should be the viable option if you do want things translated without the eyes of Viz glaring at you. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2010-11-23, 20:35	Link #2796
Game8910 Shanacon/Ariafag Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: a room full of despair Age: 34	Regarding Shana's age...well obviously its never given, and who knows how many years passed between her becoming a flame haze, her meeting Sophie (although it didnt look like a long time passed between the 2 events) and then meeting Yuji. I do think that in ACTUAL age they might be about the same age 15-16 but if I do recall correctly in novel 1 (ViZ translated) Shana is described as having the "looks" of someone around 12...sure its not her age but, Its the closest we ever got to an actual confirmation. __________________ HEY GUYS BE NICE AND VISIT MY BLOG WILL YA? Latest Update: Spring 2011 Impressions (part1) Spring 2011 Impressions (part2)

2010-11-23, 06:19	Link #2785
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	Wait, Viz has released Volume 5? So have they continued it again? After stopping for soo long? @Game8910- I remember that scene in Season 1 of the Anime. I guess she was childish and immature though. I mean, right after that, she knew the responsibilities of being a Flame Haze and accepted Alastor which showed to me when she was completing the contract that she seemed to mature a lot in a short period of time...IMO

2010-11-23, 16:28	Link #2790
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	I think that they are around that age. 14-15 seems about right. But, before that, in a little short mini series kind of thing. I think it went for a single entire episode. It was showing when the rainbow flamed guy that the previous enpatsu shakugan no uchite was alive, made the promise to her that he would train the next one and fight her in turn or something. So when Shana accepted Alastor, and the monster Mystes that killed everything besides humans was there and Shana defeated him and then went outside and fought and defeated the rainbow flame. That was with the motorbike guze no tomogara thing. How Bel-Peol gave a key or something to him to defeat Shana, but the Mystes got in the way and killed him while protecting Shana because she was a human at that time. At least that's what I remember...Please correct me if I am wrong.

2010-11-23, 18:19	Link #2792
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	Same...-sigh- I guess we can't get our hopes too high with Viz can we...?

2010-11-23, 22:45	Link #2797
Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	Well, we can consider the fact that Hongkong is already thriving at the time of Shana's ascension. I'm guessing she's about 20 years old (true age). __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

2010-11-23, 23:57	Link #2798
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	Really? I haven't read the Light Novels yet... Oh! If possible, because I'm going to Japan soon, can any one give me any stores that may sell any of the light novels? I anyone here lives in Japan that is... I figured that because she goes through school in the Anime that she would be of high school age. But the Light Novels are far ahead...And this thread is about them, so Yeah. Ok.

2010-11-24, 16:44	Link #2800
Blutsauger Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia	Well, previously, she wouldn't have the experience with socialising as much as she did, through-out. To me, she seemed to have the same level of maturity no matter where (excluding eating Meron-pan) but her opinion just changed on what life was about. She previously thought that she was 'just' a flame haze to defeat guze no tomogara, but when getting to know Yuji, she wanted to be with him more although she still does her job as a flame haze. If you get what I mean...