Code Geass R2 - Overall Series Impressions & Total Series Rating

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Not enough episodes, I'd say.
But Schneizel losing the way he did didn't even feel wrong to me... he thought Lelouch would kill him, and then he'd still have won, so he got a little careless.

Personal preferences.
I like minor character's having their own history, but with Code Geass, I'll settle for the CD- and Picture Dramas without much complaint.

I don't like Mechas, but I love Code Geass.
And I'll never understand why people keep comparing it to Death Note.
Sure, there are some similarities, but not that much. And I prefer Code Geass, anyway.
Lelouch is much more human than Light - therefore, Suzaku was a very fitting opponent for him.

That's the problem Code Geass R2 was badly planned out, it was a 52 episode series told over half of it, but since they didn't remove any of the plotline they just speed through the whole

Plotlines that have been set up since the first episode of the first season are done away with in two episodes (Marianne, and Schneizel), instead of having an enough time to give background on the cast we instead get nothing but the same 4 characters we got last season.

Also I shouldn't have to go look for Picture Dramas, and Sound dramas that are not easily available outside of Japan to find out information on other characters.

I should be given that information by the series itself. I have no problem when Sound Dramas get me some things here and their, but it should not be used as a replacement for the anime series itself.

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

That's the problem Code Geass R2 was badly planned out, it was a 52 episode series told over half of it, but since they didn't remove any of the plotline they just speed through the whole

Plotlines that have been set up since the first episode of the first season are done away with in two episodes (Marianne, and Schneizel), instead of having an enough time to give background on the cast we instead get nothing but the same 4 characters we got last season.

Also I shouldn't have to go look for Picture Dramas, and Sound dramas that are not easily available outside of Japan to find out information on other characters.

I should be given that information by the series itself. I have no problem when Sound Dramas get me some things here and their, but it should not be used as a replacement for the anime series itself.

Hm... I agree with that.
But I'm still very happy with Code Geass. Ecstatic, even.
So I won't complain. It leaves much possibilities for attempting something creative, and that's at least something.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

In that case Code Geass really reminds me of Naruto, you have a ton of potentionally great characters and you barely use any of them except for one guy.

Well, in Part 1 of Naruto, the characters were actually mostly handled well. Right now, however, it's mostly about Naruto, Sasuke or Shikamaru, with other characters getting little spotlight &story attention as such.. <_<.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Its this obsession that the writer has for 4 characters (Lelouch, Suzaku, Kallen, and C.C) that brings the entire series down. I just look at Gundam 00, and someone is always having their own plotline, and see how much better that series is than Code Geass.

Haven't seen Gundam 00... Though I might once the second series is more closer to the end that it is now . Anyway, yes, the problem with Code Geass is perhaps that it takes so little time to focus on other characters aside from the four main characters - maybe Kallen's capture can be said to be proof of this even, since once coudl argue that she was removed so that other characters could get the spotlight for a while <_<. Well, they managed to handle many other characters alright enough, but as I said, a large amount of the cast is still left unused, sufferign in terms of their development and/or wasted <_<.

Originally Posted by Shuuda

Sigh... you people are just hopeless on the whole "Final boss" thing. I will just save myself the headache from now on

Cool down, it's just a word (though often enough an apporiate such ).

[Shadowcatch]

Stop comparing CG to naruto and Death Note! GAWD your ruining CG! Does CG have 500 filler eps? No. Does CG have a horrible weak ass ending like DT? No! Does Naruto and Death Note have a character as awesome as C.C.? NUP!

[Shuuda]

Cool down, it's just a word (though often enough an apporiate such ).

But that is one of the words that sums up the stupidity of people when talking about CG.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Shadowcatch

Stop comparing CG to naruto and Death Note! GAWD your ruining CG! Does CG have 500 filler eps? No. Does CG have a horrible weak ass ending like DT? No! Does Naruto and Death Note have a character as awesome as C.C.? NUP!

Oh, come on, no need to get upset. The only thing that was mentioned was that CG (in our opinion) suffers from the same problem that Naruto does: poor usage of the many characters and that's about it .

Originally Posted by Shuuda

But that is one of the words that sums up the stupidity of people when talking about CG.

[Shuuda]

Originally Posted by DarkLordOfkichiku

I am sure that is the only thing you can do.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by Shuuda

Sigh... you people are just hopeless on the whole "Final boss" thing. I will just save myself the headache from now on.

Final boss may be a poor choice in wording but I believe you can extrapolate that the intended meaning was that Schneizel was the final obstacle to Lelouch's goal and that he turned out to be a rather poorly developed and motivated character at that.

In comparison, because Charles had more connection to Lelouch's initial motivation as well as a hand in what shaped Lelouch's circumstances we had more emotions playing off of each other.

[Shuuda]

And Nunnaly? She closer to the final antagonist than Schneizel (Do not get villain and antagonist mixed up), and has more connection to Lelouch than Charles.

[morbosfist]

She was an obstacle he needed to overcome, in that he needed to learn to ignore her, but she was never really in the way.

[Shuuda]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

She was an obstacle he needed to overcome, in that he needed to learn to ignore her, but she was never really in the way.

Well, episode 24 did leave the question of whether Lelouch would Geass her or not, indicating that there was a struggle there.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Shuuda

Well, episode 24 did leave the question of whether Lelouch would Geass her or not, indicating that there was a struggle there.

Yes, but only a personal one. Nunnaly was always the reason his previous plans were fucked up. He just learned to get over it here.

[bladeofdarkness]

so nunnaly was the final antagonist
with kallen as her dragon
funny

[Shuuda]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Yes, but only a personal one. Nunnaly was always the reason his previous plans were fucked up. He just learned to get over it here.

A personal one that could have been a problem to Lelouch's plan if he lost to it. Getting over it in episode 25 was his victory.

[bladeofdarkness]

he only got over it becouse he understood that she was going to do the same thing he was (using the damocles as a source of hate)
he could go on with his plan knowing that he would leave the world in her hands

[Schneizel]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

Final boss may be a poor choice in wording but I believe you can extrapolate that the intended meaning was that Schneizel was the final obstacle to Lelouch's goal and that he turned out to be a rather poorly developed and motivated character at that.

In comparison, because Charles had more connection to Lelouch's initial motivation as well as a hand in what shaped Lelouch's circumstances we had more emotions playing off of each other.

Poor developed and motivated?

What the.

Schneizel was like one of the few consistent characters from start to finish. Also it's hard to say that he had "poor motivations" when he had no motivation.


Also, is this numerical rating based on entertainment or critical worth?

[Nogitsune]

Hu?
Of course Schneizel had a motivation.
He was the perfect Jedi... errr... leader, after all.
Not attachments, no visible desire for personal happiness... and he'd sacrifice an individual for the sake of many every day.
He was interesting.

[Schneizel]

Originally Posted by Nogitsune

Hu?
Of course Schneizel had a motivation.
He was the perfect Jedi... errr... leader, after all.
Not attachments, no visible desire for personal happiness... and he'd sacrifice an individual for the sake of many every day.
He was interesting.

But he wasn't motivated to not have attachment, not want personal happiness, etc, he was just naturally like that.

[Nogitsune]

Originally Posted by Schneizel

But he wasn't motivated to not have attachment, not want personal happiness, etc, he was just naturally like that.

Do we know that for sure? o.o
Maybe he became like that after Lelouch and Nunally "died". Or maybe he was just intellegent enough to see the world's errors, but not emotional enough to take individuals into account.
I mean, if Schneizel is not properly motivated, then the same goes for... errr, I really don't want to bring Death Note up again, but Light was only bitter about the world because of his own brilliance.
I don't see why something similiar, less "kiraish" shouldn't work for Schneizel. He wasn't even a main character, after all.

[Schneizel]

Yes we know because of the past/present/future metaphor thing. The present/Schneizel = A static element. He can't go backwards like his dad, or forwards like his brother, simply because he lacks the means (the ambition/motivation/desire/etc) to want to do either. His static position is caused by, as Okouchi said on the subject, his lack of emotions, or rather his emptiness.