Fate/stay night Episode 4 Discussion thread

[DragoonKain3]

Originally Posted by maids

When she materialized, he seemed more shocked by her beauty than by the serous breach of the laws of physics.

But hey, when Rin was first shown in the anime, Emiya looked as awe-struck with Rin as he did with Saber when she first appeared. If one situation is considered romantic, then the other must be considered romantic as well, else a double standard occurs. -_^

Originally Posted by Stormy

Not romantic? The fact that Rin saved Shirou using a rare pendant is not enough of a hint that she did have a heart for him? In TYPEMOON universe, jewel magic took decades to charge and there is reason why Rin's father gave that particular pendant as a last gift to her before he left for 4th Grail War. After it is used once, jewel is useless as magical construct, sparing use is very crucial.

Heh, as someone who knows absolutely zilch about the game apart from what has been shown in the anime, how was I suppose to know that it takes a decade to charge? XD IIRC, all Archer said was that 'are you sure it was ok using a gem?' or something to that effect, and Rin says she still has a stockpile of them lying around, so from what I gather it wasn't that precious to her.

Before the incident, Rin and Shirou did not talk much to each other. So that rules out friendship motive.

See, the only clue we have right now is that when Archer left to pursue Lancer, Rin said something like 'Why.... you?' when she realized it was Shirou who died. This tells us that Rin knew Shirou from before, otherwise how did she recognize him? Though why the heck Shirou doesn't remember her, only game players would know.

For the typical harem anime, childhood friends are an automatic love interest, no matter what they do. But for an anime as serious as this, it's risky to say that she did it out of her affection for Shirou, even though I WANT to believe that. For all we know, she has some undue debt from Shirou or something like that. Only time will tell.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

But hey, when Rin was first shown in the anime, Emiya looked as awe-struck with Rin as he did with Saber when she first appeared. If one situation is considered romantic, then the other must be considered romantic as well, else a double standard occurs. -_^





Heh, as someone who knows absolutely zilch about the game apart from what has been shown in the anime, how was I suppose to know that it takes a decade to charge? XD IIRC, all Archer said was that 'are you sure it was ok using a gem?' or something to that effect, and Rin says she still has a stockpile of them lying around, so from what I gather it wasn't that precious to her.

Well in episode 4, she is flustered and screamed at limp body of Shirou that she has no more device to save him like last time. That should hint how precious the jewel is. It is clear that she lied that she has a lot of jewels to spare from that one off hand comment alone.

See, the only clue we have right now is that when Archer left to pursue Lancer, Rin said something like 'Why.... you?' when she realized it was Shirou who died. This tells us that Rin knew Shirou from before, otherwise how did she recognize him? Though why the heck Shirou doesn't remember her, only game players would know.

Yeap, she knew him but she did not speak to him much. But I can see your point.

For the typical harem anime, childhood friends are an automatic love interest, no matter what they do. But for an anime as serious as this, it's risky to say that she did it out of her affection for Shirou, even though I WANT to believe that. For all we know, she has some undue debt from Shirou or something like that. Only time will tell.

So is 99.99 percent of animes. There is reason why Genshiken members is excited about somebody's sister. Hahahah

[Mentar]

Originally Posted by stormy001_M1A2

Well in episode 4, she is flustered and screamed at limp body of Shirou that she has no more device to save him like last time. That should hint how precious the jewel is. It is clear that she lied that she has a lot of jewels to spare from that one off hand comment alone.

I'm not quite sure of that yet. Quite possibly she didn't have more jewels at hand which are poweful enough to resurrect, the night was long. She used one against Saber (unsuccessfully), and possibly the big amulet she gained from her father was special (more poweful) because it came with a necklace chain.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Originally Posted by DragoonKain3

But hey, when Rin was first shown in the anime, Emiya looked as awe-struck with Rin as he did with Saber when she first appeared. If one situation is considered romantic, then the other must be considered romantic as well, else a double standard occurs. -_^

Well, he stares at her, although he doesn't indicate why. I'm not sure if he is struck by awe, however.


This seems more in line with awe:


She asks him the big question, "are you my master," and he can't answer. He claims her beauty has rendered him speechless.

[shiro83]

Rin: "who is she" kind of feeling
Saber: surprised, awe-struck etc

[Sokolov]

*DISCLAIMER - I have no other experience with the FSN universe, all I know is the anime and thus my comments are based on that only

On Ilya:

Everybody lies.

We have no other information on why she was in that alley except for that she says. While she claims to be there to kill them both, the fact that she does not may be indicating other motives.

On Saber's Hesitation and Servants in General:

I am going to have to go with the camp that she does not kill Ilya because of Shirou's prior instructions regarding Rin.

But the whole thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. As I understand it, the Servants are NOT in their first Holy Grail War. They understand what is at stake and what their role is. They have likely encountered many of these same situations before. Shirou cannot be the first relunctant Master. Yet Saber's hesitation suggests that this "conflict" with her desire to perform her duty is new, which does not jive with her otherwise confident character about her role in this game.

[DragoonKain3]

Originally Posted by maids

She asks him the big question, "are you my master," and he can't answer. He claims her beauty has rendered him speechless.

Big wide open eyes, mouth agape? I think he looked pretty awestruck here, well to me anyways. ^_^



And another, there's that thing about translations. The one I was watching back then, says that Shirou was awestruck by her elegance. Elegance in what? Her graceful attack movements? Even I thought how she parried Lancer's attack was pretty damn cool, and if I was Shirou, I'd be awestruck too.

Now in the other translation, which I just recently downloaded, it did say she looked beautiful. Which ones the more accurate one? I have no idea, since I only know a few choice words from japanese.

Not like it matters, though. This is because Saber is undoubtedly the main heroine of the series, and judging by polls past and present, the most popular one too. There's no reason as to why they won't go Saber's route, unless the makers want to piss off a great portion of their fan base. This means that it's sad to say that the others stand no chance at all, if the producers do indeed want a romance in the anime. -_-

Still, I'll fight ShirouxRin to the death! Just too bad with what little between the two has been shown so far, I'm currently grasping at straws for evidence of their relationship. 'Tis truly a losing battle. T_T

[ordnance11]

Still, I'll fight ShirouxRin to the death! Just too bad with what little between the two has been shown so far, I'm currently grasping at straws for evidence of their relationship. 'Tis truly a losing battle. T_T
Today 10:30

Well, don't give up hope yet. Shiro has complimented her. And Rin is a perfect tsundere.

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Originally Posted by ordnance11

Well, don't give up hope yet. Shiro has complimented her. And Rin is a perfect tsundere.

She really is. If it were almost any other anime, I'd be worshipping at the alter of Rin's miniskirt. She's cute as hell and she has a ton of personality. And I get the tsundere fetish as well. For a tsundere, however, Rin's pretty collected. She's fiesty and a bit of a diva, but I can't see her throwing a lot of Shana-like fits, so you don't have to hide the glassware and crockery. She's just a really fun, appealing character (at this point).

But Saber just really does it for me. If I were Shirou, I'd be awestruck, dumbstruck, lightning struck, every kind of struck. She's like a knight in shining armor for boys.

[tragicsmile]

Originally Posted by Sokolov

But the whole thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. As I understand it, the Servants are NOT in their first Holy Grail War. They understand what is at stake and what their role is. They have likely encountered many of these same situations before. Shirou cannot be the first relunctant Master. Yet Saber's hesitation suggests that this "conflict" with her desire to perform her duty is new, which does not jive with her otherwise confident character about her role in this game.

This is the fifth Grail War. Servants are drawn from a pool of suitable heroes IIRC, so they may or may not have fought in a previous war. Also, since this is only the fifth iteration of a war so secret that witnesses have to be killed (though not secret enough that mass destruction is avoided, it seems ) it is very likely that Shirou is the only master who did not know what he was getting into - he doesn't even have enough magical knowledge to be a proper magi!

[Cyz]

Maybe Shirou's magic ability is somehow untapped? It is a possibily right?

[demon_god04]

AHH urge to reply with game spoilers is killing me

Originally Posted by Cyz

Maybe Shirou's magic ability is somehow untapped? It is a possibily right?

Well its shown in the anime that theres more then meets the eye with Shirou. He was able to summon Saber, and he took Berserker's giant sword to his spine and lived, Rin commented that the wounds were healing on their own.

[tragicsmile]

Originally Posted by Cyz

Maybe Shirou's magic ability is somehow untapped? It is a possibily right?

Not really a spoiler since you would expect this, but:

Spoiler:

Please note that I said knowledge, not power.

[kron]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

AHH urge to reply with game spoilers is killing me



Well its shown in the anime that theres more then meets the eye with Shirou. He was able to summon Saber, and he took Berserker's giant sword to his spine and lived, Rin commented that the wounds were healing on their own.

umm rin commented that saber used her magic power to assist on shirou's recovering which is rare cos it should be the other way round

[Mr. Guy]

Originally Posted by kron

umm rin commented that saber used her magic power to assist on shirou's recovering which is rare cos it should be the other way round

The way Rin said it inferred that she was not really sure why Shirou recovered, but she thought it was because of Saber.

[demon_god04]

^ pretty much what Mr. Guy said, Rin gave the best explaination she came up with but doesnt really know whats going on. What happened was Shirou taking a wound that would kill a normal person but his wounds healed on its own. The only explaination she can come up with at this time was that Shirou somehow accessed his servant's abilities, but she also mentioned that its normally impossible.

[Retsoor]

Never send a loli to do a man's job.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by Retsoor

Never send a loli to do a man's job.

Thats because theres a whole differant set of jobs a loli is more suited for.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

Thats because theres a whole differant set of jobs a loli is more suited for.

and what kind of jobs is a loli suited for

[Maids! Maids! Maids!]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

and what kind of jobs is a loli suited for

I hear they make for excellent snacks. Don't tell Saber that. She already thinks hunger is the enemy and the loli is the enemy. Being the pragmatist that she is, she might decide to kill two birds with one stone.