2009-12-21, 18:44 | Link #266 |
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Anyone seen the raws yet? I saw the raws can someone who understands the language please spoil me about something, as the scanlated chapters are still gonna take some time to come out or so it seems. So any kind of summary will be greatly appreciated, I especially want to know what happened in these situations ---
Spoiler for chapter 17:
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2009-12-21, 21:34 | Link #267 |
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Well just some more shitting on Utsumi's head, but nothing really bad compared to the level of crap he was getting lately, its almost softcore.
But it clear as hell ain't 'good' anything about it and if they keep the original ending of one shot I would change the name not even to "Bad ending' but to a 'shitty ending' which would suit this manga Spoiler:
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2009-12-21, 23:47 | Link #270 |
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I disagree with those comments completely, but I wouldn't go so far to say they were hateful or harsh. They were just voicing an opinion it seems. A stupid opinion, but an opinion nonetheless. Sucks that the poor lady had to close it though.
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2009-12-22, 00:12 | Link #271 |
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Doubt all the post on her website by the readers where just criticism post, bet quite a few of them were spiteful attacks which cause to close down her website.
She did say that she's “heart-broken over their hateful attacks". There must have been rather harsh words from those post... |
2009-12-22, 02:49 | Link #274 |
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What more can you expect from people who sleep with Anime dolls, marry them, talk with them, shut themselves in their rooms with only electronic gadgets and comic books to keep them company? They have little connection to how the real world works as they have been bullied in school maybe, sit by themselves in school absorbed in their PsP, to them, they want their pillows to be virgins
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2009-12-22, 03:09 | Link #275 |
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I don't agree with the downright hateful crap, but everyone is allowed their own opinion. Whether they agree or disagree with the story. The rape stuff if it was correct yeah, I don't want to read about that crap. The no longer virgin main female stuff, doesn't bother me at all...
It's just me, but I don't think it would as bad if the author cut Utsu a little bit of slack a chapter or two. I understand she's building a foundation so to speak. However, constantly dragging him down 'You've been shitted on lane' all the time might be part of the reason. Throw him a wet nap once in awhile before dragging him back down that road again... |
2009-12-22, 03:18 | Link #276 | |
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That's the reaction you will get. In mangafox there was an argument some readers (I think you too took part in that discussion) stating that since it is (magazine) aimed towards older audience than WSJ it will be alright, to which I still argued that they are shifting the genre too much. No matter how you play with shounen, it should still be a shounen and not seinen, and such scene naturally may be too problematic, since it is a seinen and not shounen at all. And now it is where it is, we can say that I was right. It is not WSJ but we still get over-reactions and thats what I expected since no matter what age group it is pointed it still a genre shift - from shouinen to seinen. If this stuff would be posted on seinen magazine we would be seeing much less of the drama. Here, even the fact that it is aimed towards older age group than WSJ does not save it, since very simply it went over the limits of mature shounen right to the seinen, and it is very normal to expect a conflict. I too am more bothered by the fact that the main character gets shitted on, chapter after chapter after chapter. It really is tedious to get so many chaters in a row with nothing positive and my will to read kind of gets smaller with each upcoming chapter since I know that all I will get will be the main character getting screwed up one way or another and thats not a good way at all to keep a tension that would intrigue readers who tend to identify themselves with the main characters. Luckily there is still the tension about Yuki's past, otherwise there would be no tension at all, just the same repetitive seinen emo drama over and over again. |
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2009-12-22, 03:28 | Link #277 | |
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2009-12-22, 03:34 | Link #278 | |
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I think this stuff is still seinen because it seems like nothing idealized remains in this romance manga, but rather turns into a down-to-earth seinen drama which some readers have troubles to adapt. I view it as a connected to whole seinen/shounen genre shift problem. Having two main female characters being 'second-hand' is what makes them rage. There were negative feedback after Yuki, but again because the number two still remained 'pure' the raging was under control, but after the hickey they already start raging (Eri is not considered part of main heroines, so it did not calm it down, though I do see some shifts towards her as of lately because she is technically the most pure of them). Personally I too now look at Eri in proffered light over Yuki and senpai, not because she is supposed to be a virgin (thats silly if you ask me personally), but simply because Utsu gets way too much screwed up if he tries to do anything with the latter duo. And in the latest chapter Yuki comes off as a hypocrite (talks about accepting past, but she herself later plays the drama queen with the whole - You would not understand card. Yes it is painful experience but I really don't like characters who give advices about not dwelling on the past, but herself is pretty content on doing just that) and it does not help... |
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2009-12-22, 04:01 | Link #279 | |
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Although I find it funny they mention Iketani and not Yuki, who had a more tragic relationship and being the heroine.. I thought they would have burned the manga by now judging from the reaction. |
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2009-12-22, 04:13 | Link #280 | |
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I think if the chapter with hickey would have come before the Yuki scene, you would not get all that rage either and the whole raging would start after Yuki scene. I view it as a combination of both scenes rather than just one scene in particular. That and the fact that Utsu is constantly screwed up chapter after chapter does not help either. |
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being good sucks, drama, kento boss, romance, shoukento, shounen, slice of life, yukiumi |
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