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View Poll Results: Suzumiya Haruhi (2009) - Episode 13 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 110 | 53.14% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 57 | 27.54% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 15 | 7.25% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 18 | 8.70% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 4 | 1.93% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.48% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.97% | |
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2009-09-04, 18:06 | Link #201 | |
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2009-09-04, 18:08 | Link #202 | |
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Maybe he was planning a roundhouse + smash? Swing the fist out and around to smash Haruhi in the side of the face with the bottom of his fist? Obviously Kyon is not a serious fighter. Not sure that means he couldn't win a fight, just that he'd probably waste a lot of energy and get roughed up doing it cause he doesn't really know how. |
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2009-09-04, 18:52 | Link #204 | |||
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So he was actually already in the "hammering" motion. Guess he was trying to hit the nail of the problem on the head Quote:
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And anyway, what level is "reasonable force" when you're facing someone who can simply erase the whole world out of existence ? |
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2009-09-04, 19:10 | Link #207 | |
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2009-09-04, 19:14 | Link #208 | |
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The next shot is the arm actually going down on Haruhi before being caught by Koizumi. It confirms that it seemed to be a tetsui. And yes, I've actually nothing better to do with my time than looking at an anime frame by frame to see which kind of punch one character was about to land on another character. |
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2009-09-04, 19:22 | Link #209 | |
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Of course that shot was only a few frames, so I may be having trouble pausing on those shots.
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2009-09-04, 20:46 | Link #212 |
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I'm always amazed at how fans notice the smallest details in an anime show and magnify/exaggerate it into something epic (and thus makes me feel like I'm missing out on something that I normally wouldn't see as a big deal). Haruhi growing a ponytail in this episode is one example. I guess when you have a show that doesn't come with a lot of bells and whistles, you can't help but notice (and appreciate in some cases) the subtle things.
After watching, I was almost certain people were gonna bash Kyon for over reacting to Haruhi's bullying Miku-chan. And yet to my surprise, a lot of people felt his reaction was justified (and even long anticipated). I feel Kyon's reaction was justified, but Haruhi deserved a slap, not a punch, lol. My heart was racing in this scene, I was scared Haruhi was gonna erase the universe. I at least expected something similar to the endless 8 to happen. Perhaps her powers occur more when she's restless/dissatisfied rather than depressed. In any event, I was never fond of her attitude and it doesn't help that she's oblivious to the feelings of the people around her. It's a good thing she's cute. Overall I rate this episode a 10/10, this is the first episode of the 2nd season that felt like a new episode. That alone justifies the perfect score (Well that and Tsuruya making a reappearance, god I missed her). Although I still can't get the bitter taste of E8 out of my mouth.
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2009-09-04, 21:06 | Link #213 |
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I haven't finished the episode, but about the Kyon Fist: he probably meant to hit with his knuckles, not with the flats of his fingers; people who have never thrown a punch but have seen a fair share of action movies (i.e., Kyon) tend to think this is how you're supposed to punch someone until they actually try it and break their hand.
As for why his hand was raised like that: he was winding up, like a pitcher. It's pretty much instinctual that if you're going to punch someone, you had better put the weight of your whole body and not just your arm if you want it too be any more that a closed-palm slap. |
2009-09-04, 21:22 | Link #214 | ||
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... Maybe Haruhi is trying to say "Well, she's not your toy, Kyon! I'm sick and tired of seeing you treat her like your toy! ...So to stop that, I'm making her my toy, so there!" ? Perhaps the line has more to do with Haruhi's jealousy over Kyon's affections for Mikuru than anything truly malicious or evil or utterly out of it.
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2009-09-04, 21:39 | Link #215 |
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Haven't felt this emotionally angry for an anime for a while. If I were Kyon, I would have slapped Haruhi, regardless if the universe was going to end or not. You just don't abuse people like that, even if it is due to jealously.
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2009-09-04, 22:04 | Link #216 | |
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I understand Kyon's point, i just think he was going way too far with that. It looked like Haruhi was hitting Mikuru with an axe, hehe. Well, Kyon was giving so much attention to Mikuru that i understand why Haruhi was bullying her so badly, she was just jealous, specially at Kyon snapping because of the kiss scene... |
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2009-09-04, 22:05 | Link #217 |
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From looking at some of the screenshots, it seems that they finally got the animation right since there is a lack of K-ON! art style, but I'll take a look for myself once the afk subs are out...
I'm expecting that Haruhi is a you-know-what in this episode too.
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2009-09-04, 23:22 | Link #219 |
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... I've developed a theory.
I'm debating with myself whether or not to post it because... 1) If well-received, it's going to make the KyonHaruhi shipdom even more burgeoning, and even more searching for romance in every nook and cranny, than it already is. 2) If well-received, it at least makes Haruhi look smart again, if not sympathetic. I don't mind Haruhi looking villainous; that can be fun from time-to-time; but I hate the thought of her looking outright stupid. ... Well, I'm going to throw this out there anyway, since my appreciation of Haruhi's character is greater than my annoyance at every scene being filtered through a KyonHaruhi shipper lens. Perhaps a big secondary goal of Haruhi's with this movie... is to utterly destroy any chance of KyonMikuru ever happening. Think about it. This movie puts Mikuru right through the ringer; it wears her down and instead of simply making Mikuru look cute or sexy, it makes her look abused and worn out. Certainly, a whimpering Mikuru dripping in dirty water isn't as attractive a sight as a smiling Mikuru in a maid outfit serving you tea. But, of course, there's the piece de resistance... getting Kyon, the cameraman, to film Koizumi kissing Mikuru "mouth on mouth!" (as Haruhi passionately demanded for). Perhaps Haruhi's thinking is that once Kyon watches Koizumi kiss Mikuru, then that's it - Kyon could never view Mikuru in the same light again. Maybe Haruhi is hoping that Kyon's interest in Mikuru will dwindle in the light of knowing that Koizumi's lips have touched Mikuru's, even if it was just for a movie scene. All told, maybe a big part of the idea behind this movie production is Haruhi's elaborate scheme to make Kyon lose all romantic desire for Mikuru. If so... it's a bit evil, but it's also genius. Now, if you run with this theory, Haruhi's reaction to Kyon makes perfect sense all-around. When Kyon tells Koizumi to not kiss Mikuru, it's doing three annoying things for Haruhi all at the same time... 1) On a basic level, Kyon is flat-out contradicting a direct command from Haruhi. In Haruhi's mind, I imagine that it's nothing less than a direct challenge to her authority and leadership of the Brigade. Anime-wise, it doesn't help that this came after the end of E8 which saw Kyon seemingly (in Haruhi's eyes) try to usurp her role as leader of the SOS Brigade with how he loudly invited everybody but her over to his place to help him with his homework. A dirty coup d'etat combined with leaving her out of the action entirely... and now he's trying a coup d'etat again. Yes, I can certainly see Haruhi getting quite upset at that. 2) Secondly, Kyon is foiling her diabolical scheme. He's getting in the way of the piece de resistance. 3) Thirdly, Kyon is, once again, showing affection and caring for Mikuru here; more than he overtly shows for Haruhi. All-told, that's quite the three-pronged emotional whammy all in one act: Insubordination, plot-foiling, and showing more overt concern for Mikuru than for Haruhi. However, Haruhi quickly regains her composure, and tries to make Mikuru more alert so that her plot won't be foiled. However, her means of doing that enrages Kyon even more, leading to the shouting confrontation between them. At this point, it's probably clear to Haruhi that her plot is foiled beyond repair. So, she quickly conceives and takes hold of a Plan B! Since Plan B is total improvisation, it's not all that good. Plan B is trying to tear Kyon and Mikuru apart for good by telling Kyon that Mikuru is Haruhi's toy. Not surprisingly, Kyon takes this the way I took it, and he gets enraged and throws a punch. ... It now occurs to me that Haruhi might see all of this as Kyon's way of insisting upon the continuation of his close relationship (as Haruhi probably sees it) with Mikuru. Kyon here is the manly man doing all he can to keep his relationship with Mikuru alive, and by golly, if he has to pound even Haruhi to keep it alive, he will! So, this is what Haruhi is looking at here (from her perspective)... 1) Kyon trying to pull a coup d'etat against her... twice now. 2) Kyon foiling her carefully laid plot. 3) Kyon showing way more caring for Mikuru than for Haruhi 4) In fact, Kyon liking Mikuru so much more than Haruhi that he's actually willing to pound Haruhi just to keep his relationship with Mikuru alive. This is total, utter rebellion and rejection in Haruhi's eyes. And from her best friend to boot. It's amazing how she could hold those tears back at all. Well, that's my theory. What do other people here think?
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2009-09-04, 23:29 | Link #220 | |
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