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View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 02 | |||
10 out of 10: Near Perfect... | 36 | 19.78% | |
9 out of 10: Excellent... | 49 | 26.92% | |
8 out of 10: Very Good... | 43 | 23.63% | |
7 out of 10: Good... | 32 | 17.58% | |
6 out of 10: Average... | 16 | 8.79% | |
5 out of 10: Below Average... | 1 | 0.55% | |
4 out of 10: Poor... | 2 | 1.10% | |
3 out of 10: Bad... | 1 | 0.55% | |
2 out of 10: Very Bad... | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10: Torturous... | 2 | 1.10% | |
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2012-07-15, 09:20 | Link #281 |
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I think the beater part was rather justified. They expect the beta testers to be an absolute guide to all the players which includes those with first time MMORPG experience, and unfortunately 2000 people died. Of course they're going to blame the beta testers that did not help.
I think it was not that rushed, though I wished the boss fight should be stretched a little bit more with more fight scenes and probably a little bit more emphasis on the sword skills they were using, I mean a part of people playing the game is to use those skills right? Generally, I think they need to make way for the main story arc thus the rush, and there are still side stories to cover. |
2012-07-15, 09:21 | Link #282 | |
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In the side-story, the guidebook was actually the work of one beta tester. Well, she exchanged info with other testers, but she compiled and published the book (and sold the early edition to testers while giving away the definite edition...). She also personally checked every information in there to see if it was still true in the real game. The info on the boss was clearly labeled as having come from the beta test. Which caused a stir when it turned out to be inaccurate. Quote:
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2012-07-15, 09:57 | Link #284 | |
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kirito being called a cheater just simply because of jealousy, usual human's personality seeing someone higher than themselves lol |
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2012-07-15, 10:18 | Link #285 |
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I wouldn't be surprised is spikey over there started PKing or something. Anyway, wouldn't the Beater thing stop after the first 10 floors? Level 8 was one of the highest levels reached, so if people still complain about the Beater's then they're just being ridiculous.
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2012-07-15, 10:22 | Link #286 | ||
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One thing beta testers could've done is stick around to show the newbs how SAO works -- even an MMO vet like Klein needed help to learn the fighting engine. Instead they ran off to complete the best quests so they could have better equipment and level up faster. To the newbs stuck trying to figure out basic sword skills, that looks like the beta testers are getting an unfair advantage and leaving them to sink-or-swim. |
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2012-07-15, 10:49 | Link #287 |
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The second episode of Hype Art Online was pretty interesting if not quite what I expected. It's obvious a lot has happened since the game started and everyone that's still alive is a little further ahead, especially so the beta testers, but the guy that interrupts Diabel's speech seems to think that people like Kirito stole all the good experience and loot at the expense of the non-beta testers and that they should pay for it since they basically abandoned them to die when they could have partied up and lead them to a better position.
Kirito seems pretty regretful about his actions (at least initally), but that guy expecting them to basically face a lynching mob and give up all they worked to earn (they still had to fight for it) seems way to extreme. People like that are dangerous in these types of survival scenarios because even though they might have a point their attempts to unrelentingly purge and redistribute also wastes valuable human resources. Yes I am making a slight Stalinist comparison here. The conversation with Asuna was the slow part of the episode and her whole presence raises so many questions. How can someone be hungry in a virtual world? How does eating virtual food satiate that hunger? How is she so much quicker on the attack than others? Is it because of her stats? Builds? Class? Her own instincts? If so how? What made her choose to party up with Kirito? What made Kirito take such a shining to her and decide to party up with her? The episode doesn't do much to address any of these nagging questions, but I hope to have at least some of them explained to me later. The boss fight definitely felt like the standard MMORPG boss fight tends to go albeit far less grindy. The twist that the Kobold boss has been buffed since the beta version complicates things by killing that Diabel guy. What a waste of a great voice actor in Nobuyuki Hiyama and what sad music for a guy we barely knew. Oh well as expected Kirito and Asuna team up to beat the boss who seems to be able to break the chain of attack at random (am I thinking about this too hard in the context of MMO fighting mechanics?), but what I wasn't expecting was the whole beater thing being a portmanteau of Beta and Cheater. The Japanese sure love their portmanteau's. Also what I wasn't expecting was Kirito to basically go "check it out I'm actually a dick! Like my awesome new item, here I'll show it off right in front of you!". I'm not exactly sure what revealing all that was supposed to accomplish or if he just lost it, but it was a bit out of the blue to say the least. Also now that I think of it the abrupt switch to Asuna being all ditzy with Kirito as they walked away after such a tense situation didn't exactly paint either of them in a very positive light. I guess they really truly do not think all that much of the other players or their situation. Might have a group of anti-heroes on our hand at this rate. Pretty good followup, but I still have a lot of questions lingering over the way the world is supposed to work and what the deal with some of our characters personalities and reasonings are, but there's still plenty of time to address that. |
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Not sure if you know, but Asuna is a complete and total noob when it comes to anything other than cellphone games, hence why she doesn't even know the basics of the game, and was strictly a one trick pony at that point. |
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2012-07-15, 11:06 | Link #289 | |
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I don't see how the Asuna being ditzy with her Kirito after the battle doesn't paint them in a very positive light; were they supposed to be distressed and distraught after the events that had just transpired? Kirito did what he did for the best of the players. |
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2012-07-15, 11:10 | Link #290 | |||
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With Asuna thought it was just a funny realization of something that'd been staring her in the face the whole time. Quickly went back to relative seriousness in asking what Kirito was going to do and then the episode ended. Will definitely need some more episodes to get a full picture of her personality though this episode was a good start.
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2012-07-15, 11:48 | Link #293 | |||
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2012-07-15, 11:59 | Link #294 |
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There's just no pleasing the LN readers, huh?
Enjoying it immensely as an anime-only viewer so far, I might get started on the LN somewhere along the line to see what they changed and left out. I'm glad I didnt read it beforehand, otherwise I'd spend my time complaining like the rest about all the things they did wrong rather than what they did right. |
2012-07-15, 12:05 | Link #295 |
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I'm surprised by people not understanding why people need to eat. The game has an interface that's directly wired into their brains. The body's actual senses are numbed, and all sensory input comes from the game. Is it that weird that the game can give you a sense of hunger? And that eating in-game food makes that feeling go away?
Also, the problem with Kirito being a beta tester isn't the fact that he's a beta tester. It's the fact that "He did nothing to stop those 2000 deaths.". Whether this is rational or not is an entirely different matter, but in a state of fear and helplessness, the human mind has a tendency to make up stuff to compensate for lack of information. It will do -anything it can- to alleviate feelings of frustration. It's called jumping to conclusions. Last edited by Dengar; 2012-07-15 at 13:45. |
2012-07-15, 12:10 | Link #296 |
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Ep2 continued on a good pace. Asuna arriving is more than welcome. Reasonable battle for an early episode. Hate-mongering and butthurt newbies left me in stitches for almost the entire episode. Are people so quickly assuming beta testers are able to get out of this mess so much faster based on the limited experience they had? If they did, I seriously doubt beta testers would have taken that long to get off of merely the first floor when there's 100 to get through.
Frankly, I like Kirito. He's a mix of social akwardness along with patience and rationale. While some may wonder why he pulled what he did at the end of this ep, it made sense. But I don't think the guy did it for purely altruistic reasons, either. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I honestly think Kirito has a considerable lack of trust for people in general. The fact that in one month, he had no one to tag along with until a fluke meeting with Asuna suggests it is rather likely. And frankly, if people are quickly going to turn judgemental on the person who saved their hides, why should he be trusting of them? I'd like to think Kirito took the stance he did to also send a message that he is not willing to be shoved around, treated like crap or labelled like people attempted to label him. Shows he has a spine and that he is a protagonist worth following. Kudos to him. I'm more intrigued by what Asuna's true nature is. She's clearly not stupid - she couldn't be if she was the only person capable of backing up Kirito. I get the feeling she has her own degree of lacking trust in other players but that Kirito left an impression on her to believe in him but that she wasn't able to do the same to him yet - although he clearly does give a damn about her since Kirito had the decency to tell Asuna to avoid playing alone. But yeah, the fact the main characters aren't super-confident or social but have other forms of positive qualities is making the two believable. It's probably the most appealing aspect of this show for me thus far.
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2012-07-15, 12:39 | Link #297 |
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If you ever played any MUD type RPG, those games usually have hunger and fatigue guage you have to worry about. Sleeping and eating in RPG game is nothing new rather it's relic from old time RPG game (since modern mainstream game don't seem to give a shit about that).
From my understanding, Asuna attack is not any quicker than other player. It's her intial motion that start the skill that is lightning-fast which is due to her natural good reflex. Think of those Korean pro starcraft player's godly apm. Why did they call Kirito cheater ? If you ever play multiplayer game. An FPS for example, if someone got usuual good score on top of scoreboard, I'm sure one or more people will start shouting "OMG HAXOR !!!!1!!11"
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2012-07-15, 12:50 | Link #298 | |
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I think even if he did take note of it, I doubt the outcome of it wouldn't have been different. In the novel, Kirito says that the Katana-style the boss was using was a style seen on mobs on a much higher tower level. And that it isn't even a style that players could use unlike the Tulwar or whatever the boss was suppose to bring out. Since it was a style every player can use, they would already be able to expect what attacks will happen. But since it was a style no player can use or seen before, they wouldn't be able to figure out the patterns at first sight. Kirito knew the patterns because he got his ass handed to him over and over against the generic regular mobs on the higher level till he memorized the patterns himself through getting hit by it so many times in beta. and that was the only reason why he was able to fight it.
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He'd have been more careful, which would have changed a lot. They could have just pulled an orderly retreat to discuss things. |
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2012-07-15, 13:18 | Link #300 |
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Anyway, I wanted the Lelouch evil laugh in the end of Episode 2 :P Jun would've done it quite well if not better than the current VA (Not hating, just that evil laugh part). As for people saying Kirito is a cheater... Play DoTA for a bit and you'll notice that every good player (esp. in pub games) gets called a Hacker/Cheater for being too pro. As for the eating, I think the Maker wanted the players to experience the world he created (Aincrad) to be as realistic as possible. To create relationships (the truth-mirror in 1st Ep.), hunger, different culinary food (imagine cooking orc meat or something) and most importantly, DEATH.
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