2012-08-27, 06:53 | Link #1041 |
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Haha, man, next episode is going to be fuuuuuuuun. People in the episode 8 thread are talking about how the doors of the 74th boss' room may close, and that it may be an anti-crystal room. They also seem to think that Kirito got Liz to craft him the Dark Repulser because he's just being careful by getting a back-up sword in case his main/current one breaks. Tehehe.
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2012-08-27, 10:55 | Link #1042 |
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Klashikari's predictions in the episode 8 thread are eerily accurate - to the point that I half suspect that he's read the novel and is trolling the anime-only viewers. Since 74th floor is an open battle but really does in fact have an anti-crystal field, and the 75th is anti-crystal and closed room, too.
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2012-08-27, 11:42 | Link #1043 |
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It's just common sense for a gamer. I really dislike the cynicism that goes into the corollary though: that Kirito and Asuna will somehow managed to kill the boss themselves (because obviously they won't die here). That would be pretty stupid. The scariest part is that the anime might actually do that...
Incidentally, I was the one speculating about it being a back-up sword and I actually have read the novels. I was just trying to think of a reason other than dual-wielding. |
2012-08-27, 12:31 | Link #1044 |
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SOA combat is a fair bit different then normal MMO's and that is why it is possible. In most MMO's so can you get as many as 40 people hitting a end game boss at the same time. This doesn't work in SOA as there are no significant range attacks and players swinging their melee weapons around need space to do so. That is why even when only the two of them were out killing mobs so did they take turns fighting, instead of getting in each others way.
Thus the only reason they need more then one person against a Boss is that the one(s) fighting the Boss needs to take healing breaks and it is also safer to switch out after doing Sword Skills due to being vulnerable right after doing one. There may also be adds that needs to be killed when they spawn. Kirito is also level 96 out of 100 at this time, so he is actually still overleveled for floor 74. He would obviously have a harder time soloing a boss closer to the top floor even if he was level 100. |
2012-08-27, 12:32 | Link #1045 | |
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2012-08-27, 12:36 | Link #1047 |
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Even if you're overleveled, soloing a boss is no easy task. There's like a whole series of videos devoted to people doingit in WoW, and they're all completely crazy. Kirito hasn't soloed any of the other floor bosses, and he doesn't solo this one despite the rather cheesy Dual Wield reveal. Heck, he almost dies and he's got Asuna as well as Klein's entire guild there with him.
SAO's combat doesn't work like most games, but that fact that you take chip damage from parrying basically ensures that soloing a boss should be completely impossible. You just never get any time to heal. |
2012-08-27, 12:44 | Link #1048 | |
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2012-08-27, 12:46 | Link #1049 | |
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Although, if boss spawns adds, that's another story entirely and would justify more manpower. I understand the point was to show case duel wield. It still doesn't make it less unbelievable though. And about DW, I don't understand why K does not use it in his regular exp grind. He usually solos in area no one is around anyways and had to practice a ton to get the skill up in the first place. It would be far more efficient for him to farm/level up using it then keep it hidden just so it becomes a plot device for this sudden reveal.
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2012-08-27, 12:47 | Link #1050 | |
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2012-08-27, 12:52 | Link #1051 | |
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2012-08-27, 12:55 | Link #1052 |
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If Kirito and Asuna are able to solo the boss by switching constantly, then what happens when they are both attacking the boss in regular raids, along with other front liners with similar levels and gear (close to them anyways). Boss would have fall pretty easily each time. If healing was available, then it is more believable to have a small group perform feat equal to a larger raid group but there are no healing available and it was only two of them. It's a still a matter of going through 4 HP bars that normally takes quite a bit of time with far more then the two of them dpsing the boss while tanks take turn mitigating the boss's dmg.
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2012-08-27, 12:57 | Link #1053 | |
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2012-08-27, 13:07 | Link #1054 | |
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2012-08-27, 13:14 | Link #1055 |
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Doing you mean BAM or an actual raid boss. There is quite a difference between the two. In most MMOs a good group or sometimes a single player can probably solo some dungeon bosses, but raid bosses are impossible to solo without some form of healing. Because there are abilities that will do damage no matter what and you simply cannot dps fast enough to avoid taking those damage.
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Note that another reason they need so many people in SOA for a Boss fight is because they want as much safety margin as possible due to deaths in the fight is obviously something they want to avoid. Last edited by Znail; 2012-08-27 at 14:04. |
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2012-08-27, 17:02 | Link #1058 |
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A full raid group in SAO was like, what, 48 people IIRC? And they normally try to hit that number. Regardless of whether it's a point-and-click MMO like WoW or an action MMO like TERA/SAO, there is one single truth though: if your mitigation/self-healing (and I am adding active dodge mitigation to this category) is lower than the incoming damage, eventually you will die.
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2012-08-27, 18:02 | Link #1059 |
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48 is the system limit on raid groups, but in Aria Kirito was hoping they'd have enough people show up to bring multiple raid groups into the dungeon. They probably err on the side of overkill, though not so much so that a TPK event will cripple the front line crew.
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2012-08-27, 18:12 | Link #1060 | |
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