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Old 2013-01-03, 01:40   Link #181
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And of course, try to create "living" characters, characters with their own internal realism (the term is "consistent," but that's often interpreted misleadingly as "never changing" or "never contradictory," whereas mortals are often changing and contradictory).
I call that "characters who follow the rules of the story universe", in the case of fighting stories.

Part of the reason some fighting stories suck asides from the uninteresting MC is that how the author can get away with breaking his own story universe's rules for the sake of character development.
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Old 2013-01-03, 19:57   Link #182
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Sorry for doing this but I think you got the facts wrong so I corrected it.
Nah I'm sorry, I was right, and School Days and thus Makoto only works because the plot is stupid.
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Old 2013-01-04, 03:00   Link #183
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Nah I'm sorry, I was right, and School Days and thus Makoto only works because the plot is stupid.
Funny, I always thought it had more to do with the entire cast being stupid.

Take Kiyoura Setsuna for example, who gets the brilliant plan that the best way to stop Makoto from cheating on her best friend involves....
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Old 2013-01-04, 03:03   Link #184
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School days might have work out well, if the MC was not some pervert f*cking every girl he meets.... To be fair he is on the TOP of my most worthless male MC in an anime/harem. He deserves it...
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Old 2013-01-04, 07:28   Link #185
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I can understand someone not liking School Days because its final few episodes aren't exactly a pleasant watch. However, I think it's sad how people miss the point of School Days.

It's a harem anime deconstruction just as Madoka Magica is a magical girl deconstruction. It's just that School Days went "all the way" with it, whereas Madoka Magica arguably didn't.

A few other more spoileriffic points...

Spoiler for MAJOR School Days spoilers:
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Old 2013-01-04, 11:43   Link #186
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I can understand someone not liking School Days because its final few episodes aren't exactly a pleasant watch. However, I think it's sad how people miss the point of School Days.

It's a harem anime deconstruction just as Madoka Magica is a magical girl deconstruction. It's just that School Days went "all the way" with it, whereas Madoka Magica arguably didn't.

A few other more spoileriffic points...

Spoiler for MAJOR School Days spoilers:
Spoiler for Spoiler response:
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Old 2013-01-04, 13:31   Link #187
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Funny, I always thought it had more to do with the entire cast being stupid.

Take Kiyoura Setsuna for example, who gets the brilliant plan that the best way to stop Makoto from cheating on her best friend involves....
Spoiler for School Days:
It is more permissible to have a plot about foolish people which could result in tragedy.

But when you have a foolish plot, you have a comedy. Or in SD's case a black comedy.

And it doesn't matter anyways, because my point is Makoto is not sexy at all compared to Yosuga no Sora's lead

Besides, Haruka....

Spoiler for Yosuga no Sora:
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Old 2013-01-04, 18:04   Link #188
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Besides, Haruka....

Spoiler for Yosuga no Sora:
Biggest difference between Yosuga no Sora and School Days
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Old 2013-01-04, 21:15   Link #189
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Well...

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But the thing is that he could. I mean he like sparkles and has all the girls swooning over him. Just because they don't all have sex with him doesn't mean he's not better than Makoto. It just means the story actually makes sense.

And he has a better bishie character design too.
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Old 2013-01-04, 21:19   Link #190
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Old 2013-01-04, 21:23   Link #191
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Spoiler for YnS:


Anyhow, this is quite the tangent to my point. :S My point was that it makes more sense in show for girls to be attracted to Haruka than Makoto. Just because the plot helps Makoto get around doesn't mean he is better, and certainly it's also not about how many sexual partners one has since that would imply the sexiest male leads are all in hentai... :S

TL;DR Makoto gets laid because stupid shit needs to happen for the show to progress
Haruka does not. It is incidential. He also keeps his penis under control.

Yosuga no Sora's portrayal of MC's sexuality = Axe Commercial
School Days's portrayal of MC's sexuality= Some bad horror movie
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Old 2013-01-04, 21:39   Link #192
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Spoiler for The Nao and Haruka Childhood:
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Old 2013-01-04, 21:43   Link #193
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Oh, come to think about it, that is hella disturbing. Let's just move on.

Well, at least Haruka was interesting.
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Old 2013-01-04, 22:12   Link #194
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i find the mc more interesting than the girls in Kore wa Zombie Desu ka
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Old 2013-01-04, 22:17   Link #195
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i find the mc more interesting than the girls in Kore wa Zombie Desu ka
Well, he's a Masochist...
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Old 2013-01-04, 22:19   Link #196
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Well, he's a Masochist...
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Old 2013-01-04, 23:27   Link #197
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Well, he's a Masochist...
And possessing awesome delusions (seriously, how many Eucliwood's portrayal are inside his mind actually?)
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Old 2013-01-05, 03:40   Link #198
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So a thought just occurred to me.... If apparently most harem anime tend to have uninteresting male leads, then what kind of Animes tend to have the most number of interesting male leads ?
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Old 2013-01-05, 04:44   Link #199
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Action or not shounen. Death Note, Hunter x Hunter, Hokuto no Ken, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Saint Seiya... You name it, you WILL always find a lead character that interest you. Your average harem anime will always be much better if you replace the leads with someone like Joseph Joestar, Kenshiro or L.
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Old 2013-01-05, 06:09   Link #200
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Half unserious answer:

Because the MCs are placeholders for the male viewers. In most cases the MC is there just for the sake of being there. What people actually want to see is them girls. It doesn't matter if the MC is actually pretty well fleshed out and has more depth than any of the girls from the harem, the attention will always go to the girls instead.

It's not like we haven't had some seriously cool/interesting male characters, but if fleshing them out doesn't bring any help in raking in viewcounts, what helps?

On an even more unserious side, how many times have we, or some other people, post stuff on the Internet saying things like "Lucky bastard give those girls to me"?

Insane: A Tsuki-Tsuki avatar and signature, eh. For one, I'd love to see Shinobu animated. His character sits too well for me I can think it's a crime to not get animated

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"These days, a guy to identify with is no longer needed. It seems people would prefer to peer down with a god’s eye view into conversations between girls.”

“When I think about that, it just seems really creepy...”
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