2012-02-13, 01:12 | Link #2142 |
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It think it's just that suicides are more "public" than in Korea or China, because of the different thoughts behind the suicides. A percentage of the Japanese ones are based on so-called "honor-keeping" and thus are meant to be made public, while almost all suicides in Korea and China tend to be just someone being depressed or not being able to face life anymore.
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2012-02-13, 01:23 | Link #2143 |
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Yeah, I was wondering. Because I hear about Chinese people committing suicide all the time, though it's Japan that gets all the drama over it.
I'd be surprised if Japan was the only East Asian country to have something like seppuku. |
2012-02-13, 01:41 | Link #2144 |
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Korea did have something similar, but it was more of an execution where the person dying still kept their beliefs. It could be summarized as "I die by your command according to my loyalty, your Highness, but my belief remains the same. May you turn to the right side".
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2012-02-13, 02:15 | Link #2146 |
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The execution was drinking poison on your own accord. The basic process was this:
Those sentenced to death by poison (high-ranking officials or members of the royal family) were first banished to remote places and then executed there. The execution process included the accused dressed in clean garb bowing four times toward the direction of the palace to pay his last respect to the king and drinking the poison. An executioner and several assistants attended the execution to make sure that the poison has been administered right and taken effect. Sometimes they even had to force-feed the poison to a resisting prisoner or lock a prisoner in a heated room to facilitate the deadly effect of the drug. Basically, it's somewhat similar in that seppuku can also be commanded. |
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2012-02-13, 02:21 | Link #2149 |
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Sayak was the poison, not the act itself. The actual "name" of the execution was "Bestow/Receive Sayak".
To continue taking info from KBS World: Called “sayak” in Korean and meaning “deadly medicine,” the poison’s main ingredient is usually arsenic. It is white odorless, colorless powder and it kills by attaching to enzyme protein molecules in the body to suffocate the cells. When taken in lethal dose, arsenic induces vomiting, diarrhea, expansion of blood vessels, and falling blood pressure, which ultimately leads to the paralysis of the central nerve system. The death usually occurs within an hour or two of intake. Other ofter-used ingredient was monkshood or wolfsbane, which has hooded bluish-purple flowers. Its roots contain a toxic alkaloid compound called aconitine, which causes muscle paralysis. The same substance is used on poison arrows in Africa. In Oriental medicine a small dose of wolfsbane processed to be non-toxic was prescribed to people with poor circulation or cold extremities. However, too much of unprocessed wolfsbane could literally cook a person from inside, pushing up the blood pressure and body temperature to the point where blood vessels including the ones in the brain to burst. This ingredient was especially lethal when combined with pure gold, honey, ginseng or crab eggs, all of which have hot properties. ....... Whatever the poisonous mixture was made of, it usually took more than 30 minutes for the drug to take effect. So the scenes where prisoners spew out blood and dies immediately after they drink the poison are inaccurate. For instance, there is a record that scholar Song Shi-yeol during King Sukjong’s reign did not die even after drinking two bowls of poisonous drink, so he had to have all his orifices in the body blocked and made to drink the poison again. Contrary to what most non-Japanese think, at least half of the time seppuku was a punishment rather than a "voluntary" thing. If someone had done a wrong, they were given the choice of committing seppuku rather than be executed like a common criminal, and hence was done only by the samurai class (basically the new nobles). |
2012-02-13, 02:28 | Link #2150 |
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In the one Korean drama I had watched I remember that they had a queen put to death by poisoning and she was able to talk for like ten minutes before dying (and putting a curse on the executioner apparently).
But yeah, if someone forces you to commit suicide it's not really suicide. Seppuku when forced would be the same thing in my book. |
2012-02-13, 08:16 | Link #2151 | |
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This is why I wish I had paid attention during class in high school...
I think what my teacher was trying to say was the same thing. That the Ainu share similar roots with many other strands of people around the world, but the question is, in which order did they migrate into japan and influence their culture? The mainstream understanding is that Ainu where there long before other people, but when you trace the cultures from a linguistic point of view, Japan could have been influenced from the Southern areas...or something like that. The sad thing is, very little schools teach this stuff, and most Japanese take being Japanese for granted and think we are just "Japanese". Very interesting field to study. I think culturally we dont have middle names. Most documents only give you space for a first name and a last name. But with more mixed cultural families and immigrants coming in, I do see people with two surnames/ middle names, like "Soryu Asuka Langley" and "Said Yokota Erena in AKB48. (Yep I had to use a Eva example) Quote:
I knwo that seppuku was also not an quick and easy as it seems on TV and movies (hence you get a guy to chop your head off). |
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2012-02-13, 09:25 | Link #2152 |
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Seppuku is a slow and excruciating death unless you're able to nick the main artery way back near the spine (unlikely with the blade used for it). All you're trying to show is the *willingness* to die that way -- the headsman provides the killing blow to say "we get it, no need to actual go the route"
Obviously, most moderns try to pick a more instant method. Sometimes they screw up (usually by not jumping from somewhere high enough).
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2012-02-13, 09:39 | Link #2153 |
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First of all if you do some research on the full names of gods in Japan they are really are string of names. for example there is Okuninushi-Omononushi-Onushi no mikoto which is like trinity of Christan origin where Ounishi(大主) is the spirit, Omononushi(大物主) is the lord and Okunishi(大国主) is the savior which defines the origin of Christian third name system. The Arabs naming system is expressing linage where the longer the name the further you know the name of you ancestor. Traditional was probably a mixture of both, another complicated matter is added title such as Sado no kami(佐渡の守) which means protector of Sado a title like the duke of Elington given to the nobles.
As for sepuku there are probably three types, one is a form of ultimate protest, another is a form of ultimate apology and the last the form of punishment blended with self-sacrifice to save face of the family. |
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I've broken a few rules to reproduce this article in full, in response to a point raised by aohige in the News Stories thread.
It was an interesting development that I had wanted to bring up here at the time but, unfortunately, forgot about. I tried to find the report online, but it seems to be unavailable at the usual public sources. So, I took it from an internal archive, for discussion and reference purposes. I'd appreciate it very much if people do not circulate it further without my knowledge. Japan's small parties push for greater local autonomy Quote:
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2012-02-14, 04:42 | Link #2156 |
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Ishihara enjoys Tokyo support mainly because he gets the elder votes and also is the only "sane" candidate that runs in the election. Basically, he's the sole big fish among midgets in the Tokyo Governor election. As for populism, he is a bit more anti-establishment in the sense he's against the stagnant way things are run by the major parties and the bureaucrats. However, in no way is he a populist in the more general sense.
Now, as for Hashimoto: Frankly, I don't agree to his plans in the present form. He's pushing things too fast, which might work within the context of Osaka, but will cause major backlash on the national level. It's my opinion he needs to spend at least another 10 years building up a coalition within Kinki before going national. |
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Were the alternatives that rotten, or is there something less savoury about Tokyo residents that we should be aware about? |
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