(L) Hatenkou Yuugi (Dazzle anime adaption)

[Ookla The Mok]

I guess DEEN didn't want to blow everyone's minds too much.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by LKK

No, definitely not in the episode.

Spoiler:

I think Deathkillz would have screamed in his spoiler post if that character had shown up in ep 10. Again, I'm surprised, but not very surprised to hear that.

...

That is true...

Spoiler for explosion:

ZOMGWTFBBQ!

I take it that is what happened in the manga O.o

Holy heck...

Good news...I've found the 8 volumes of dazzle...bad news it will cost £40+ ;____;

Expensive stuff -____-

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Elehayym

Spoiler:

I guess the point of the flashback with Soresta and Heat + Rahzel's father (well, the Koyasu Takehito one <.<) talking was also to give an explanation for Heat's betrayal in the previous episode (making so that it was the father to ask him in order to separate them from Rahzel or something). I was actually glad that they did try to explain it, because I was still puzzled by how weird episode 9 was x_x

That's a really good theory.

Spoiler for discussion:

I won't know until I read volume 8 whether or not the discussion between Heat and foster father occurred during the Soresta/Vi arc. My current theory of Why Things Happened the Way They Did says "No, it didn't occur." I could be wrong though. I've been wrong before. But if I'm right, then the anime added it to help explain Heat's betrayal like you suggested.

Good thinking!

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

...

That is true...

Spoiler for explosion:

ZOMGWTFBBQ!

I take it that is what happened in the manga O.o

Holy heck...

Good news...I've found the 8 volumes of dazzle...bad news it will cost £40+ ;____;

Expensive stuff -____-

Yeah, I thought you'd react that way.

Spoiler for explosion discussion:

Even I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around the little albino boy Ookla mentioned. And I've known about him for 3 volumes now. (Not quite a year at this point.) I can guess where he came from and how he came to be with the mysterious young man. But what his purpose is ... and what will happen with him ... and how he fits into the larger picture ... Well, let's just say that of all the characters in Hatenkou Yuugi, he's the one who most leaves me looking like this at the moment.

Congrats on finding a source for the manga!

[nujaves]

Okey, I just saw final ep and I still have some question....

Spoiler:

:Was that really final episode for TV series?

[LKK]

Originally Posted by nujaves

Okey, I just saw final ep and I still have some question....

Spoiler:

:Was that really final episode for TV series?

As far as I know episode 10 was the final episode for the TV series.

I have a question for people who have seen ep 10.

Spoiler:

I would have sworn that the insert song (the full vocal version) was used in a previous episode. I went looking for it, but didn't hear it in the parts of the episodes I tried. Am I right? Has the song been used before? And if so, do you happen to remember which episode it was in?

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by LKK

As far as I know episode 10 was the final episode for the TV series.

I have a question for people who have seen ep 10.

Spoiler:

I would have sworn that the insert song (the full vocal version) was used in a previous episode. I went looking for it, but didn't hear it in the parts of the episodes I tried. Am I right? Has the song been used before? And if so, do you happen to remember which episode it was in?

I do believe that it wasn't heard in any of the previous episodes (after just searching for it myself). One place we do hear it though is during the preview so maybe you mistook it from there

In anycase, the full version of that song was included in the OP album. Good relaxing track

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

I do believe that it wasn't heard in any of the previous episodes (after just searching for it myself). One place we do hear it though is during the preview so maybe you mistook it from there

You're probably right. I would have sworn that it was in an episode somewhere near the end of whatever episode it might have been. I guess my mind is playing tricks on me.

In anycase, the full version of that song was included in the OP album. Good relaxing track

Really? I'll have to hunt down the OP album then. I hope it's also on the OST because I'm definitely finding me a copy of that when it's released.

[Elehayym]

Originally Posted by LKK

That's a really good theory.

Spoiler for discussion:

I won't know until I read volume 8 whether or not the discussion between Heat and foster father occurred during the Soresta/Vi arc. My current theory of Why Things Happened the Way They Did says "No, it didn't occur." I could be wrong though. I've been wrong before. But if I'm right, then the anime added it to help explain Heat's betrayal like you suggested.

Good thinking!

Thank you =D
I'm really getting more curious about the manga the more you talk about it x_x But I don't have many hopes of getting to read it any soon... Maybe I should just give up and order the whole thing on Amazon
If you ever consider making a spoiler post about it, I'll rush to read it! =D

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Elehayym

Thank you =D
I'm really getting more curious about the manga the more you talk about it x_x But I don't have many hopes of getting to read it any soon... Maybe I should just give up and order the whole thing on Amazon

Go ahead and order it. Give in to temptation. You know you wanna.

Originally Posted by Elehayym

If you ever consider making a spoiler post about it, I'll rush to read it! =D

If I make a spoiler post, it'll be after the sub for 10 is released. I want to know what's said in the episode. (I'm also hoping I'll have a copy of v08 by then so I can compare what's in the anime versus what's in the manga.) But the spoiler post won't be a substitute for the reading the manga. My post would only clarify the anime showed. There are large crucial sections of the manga that the anime skipped over. I wouldn't detail those. I don't want to reveal all the manga's secrets. Gotta leave some inticements to get people to read the manga after all! (Besides since the manga is still on-going in Japan and the US release isn't current with the Japanese release, there are still many things I don't fully understand yet. Like that bombshell Ookla dropped in his last spoiler post. I know about it, but I don't understand it. )

[Ookla The Mok]

Spoiler for the bombshell:

If you read the books carefully, you'll notice that very early on that Alzeid says he has an older brother, and that one of his one-panel flashbacks in the first few volumes shows young Alzeid with another boy.

Things like this make this series great. There are hints scattered here and there about what's really going on, but if you blink, you'll miss them.

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Ookla The Mok

Spoiler for the bombshell:

If you read the books carefully, you'll notice that very early on that Alzeid says he has an older brother, and that one of his one-panel flashbacks in the first few volumes shows young Alzeid with another boy.

Things like this make this series great. There are hints scattered here and there about what's really going on, but if you blink, you'll miss them.

Spoiler for more bombshell discussion:

Such details were noted during a recent rereading. (Hindsight is 20/20. ) However, there's the whole apparent age difference issue that still makes my eyes

Everyone who liked the anime should read the manga. Seriously. The manga is so much better. (Except for the music and the voices, of course. But you can't fault the manga on those counts. )

Go on, everyone; read it. There are 3 episodes left to be subbed. You still have time to catch up. It's even possible that volume 8 of the US version will be out before the sub of episode 10 is. (Episode 10 is from volume 8 so I've been told.) That's what I'm hoping.

[Ookla The Mok]

Spoiler for more bombshell:

Ah yes, the age problem. This confuses Alzeid as well. Stay tuned for volume 9.

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Ookla The Mok

Spoiler for more bombshell:

Ah yes, the age problem. This confuses Alzeid as well. Stay tuned for volume 9.

You sure love your teasers, don't you, Ookla?
I've decided you have a cruel streak in you a mile wide.
And I'm beginning to hate you for it.

[Ookla The Mok]

Writers and editors both like to torture their readers. Which works out just fine, because readers are masochists—and don't you dare deny it!

Spoiler for bombshell:

Oh man, the latest chapter in Zero-Sum has a major development with long-haired boy. In Japanese, he always speaks only in hiragana (indicating he speaks in a childlike manner). But on the last two pages of this chapter, he gets Baroqueheat alone and suddenly switches to kanji. What does it mean?! Arrgh!

[LKK]

Shinsen released episode 8 today.

[ApostleOfGod]

Hatenkou is underrated. It's really good, but sometimes it's a little confusing (they leave out details, or use minimalistic prose, just saying nothing more than what's necessary to understand the general idea). I would like to have seen more development for Alzeid and Hi-tan as well. Even Rahzel.

Also, things move very fast paced imo. It's like they skip scenes. In episode one, I remember watching Razhel getting kicked out. Next scene or so, she's there with some Albino dude, Alzeid, and then somewhere along the storyline comes Hi-tan. I'm hoping more development and more clarification on their past / who they are is done in the manga (if it's possible to do it rather than in the anime).

[LKK]

Originally Posted by ApostleOfGod

I'm hoping more development and more clarification on their past / who they are is done in the manga (if it's possible to do it rather than in the anime).

You will definitely find more development and clarification in the manga. The leads' pasts aren't given you to on a silver platter though. Bits and pieces are offered slowly and slyly. At times with only a single panel or a casually dropped comment. So don't start on volume 1 and expect to understand everything there is to know about the characters' past right away. But rest assured, there is much to these characters than is shown in the anime.

Now that the sub for episode 8 is out, I get to fill in the gaps of my understanding. One point stands out in my mind: the conversation Alzeid and Baroqueheat have that Soresta overhears. When I watch that scene, I'm reminded of Rahzel's comments to the ghost lady in episode 1. There, Rahzel says that she and Alzeid don't have a committment to each other. They could part ways at any time. She describes their partnership as a very casual thing. Yet, here in episode 8, Alzeid describes Rahzel as his companion. He says he can't leave her by herself; what he's really saying is that he won't leave her. I thought the conversation was very touching especially when followed minutes later by Rahzel's comment that she knows that Alzeid will always be there to give her a hand when she's down (and in this case trapped in the rubble).

Spoiler for ep 10:

Alzeid's conversation is clear foreshadowing of his shining moment of chasing after Rahzel and the departing train. Can't wait for that scene to be subbed.

[Deathkillz]

I can't either

Well I think what Rahzel said was only stating their relationship (or lack of) on the surface. I think that They both know that they can count on each other when the time call for it, but you know how stubbon they both can be

But here is another problem. The events happened in ep 8 (iirc) LKK, you told me that it was before Heat met with Rahzel and that is why he was on soresta's style. But from this ep we can see that they both do know each other by the way Rahzel greets heat. So when was the proper introduction between the two due?

[LKK]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

Well I think what Rahzel said was only stating their relationship (or lack of) on the surface. I think that They both know that they can count on each other when the time call for it, but you know how stubbon they both can be

Actually what I was getting at -- although rather badly done on my part -- was how the nature of their relationship had changed from episode 1 to episode 8. I believe Rahzel meant what she said to the ghost lady in episode 1. Their relationship at that time was pretty casual. But by the time of the events in episode 8 (chapter 7 in the manga), they had come to rely on each other and need each other.

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

But here is another problem. The events happened in ep 8 (iirc) LKK, you told me that it was before Heat met with Rahzel and that is why he was on soresta's style. But from this ep we can see that they both do know each other by the way Rahzel greets heat. So when was the proper introduction between the two due?

I think you're asking me how do Rahzel and Heat meet in the manga, right? When Soresta first walks up to Rahzel and Vin on the street, Heat walks up side by side with him. The anime changed the foursome's meeting so that Razhel and Heat knew each other. She didn't know him in the manga. [Edit: Caveat -- As far as I know, Rahzel didn't know Heat at the time. I wouldn't be surprised to find out later that they did know each other and that the scene was merely played so that it seemed like they didn't know each other.]

Spoiler for manga version of their meeting:

In the manga, Heat and Soresta are looking for the missing Vin together and find him with Razhel right after she shows him some more magic like she did in the episode. Soresta scolds Vin for disappearing and starts to punish him. Heat watches the events unfold. Rahzel intervenes because Vin is being hurt. She attacks Soresta. Heat urges her on because he's enjoying the scene. Soresta is ashamed that Rahzel is getting the upper hand and draws his sword. Alzeid arrives and calms the situation down. (Soresta's string trick isn't displayed until later in the story.) The setting moves to a hotel room (the restaurant in the episode). There, the group exchanges back stories about their army days and their job escorting Vin.

[Kaijin]

The anime is too short in my opinion, but it's definitely sparked my interest in the story and the characters, so I've become one of the converted, and ordered the first volume from Amazon. ^_^