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Possibly, but you'd need more than that.
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And lets be honest here, Lelouch was the real threat behind the Black Knights, with him taken out of the picture and the rest of the Federation of Nations falling to Britannia, one small island nation is a non-factor.
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What? If that was the case then Lelouch being claimed "dead" by the BKs would have resulted in a total collapse of everything. That didn't happen though and the UFN was still inexistance and was still pretty much a superpower to rival Britannia even during that time between Lelouch's reappearance.
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2009-05-08, 20:51 | Link #47 |
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If there was one thing that was made abundantly clear about Schneizel was that the only one who was really his match was Zero/Lelouch and even the characters knew it. Schneizel conquered half of Europe for Britannia, and only left the other half because he got lazy (okay he wanted to give them a chance and everything :P). The major reason the UFN was still around after that was because the events that happened after betraying Zero was so confusing and that Charles simply disappeared which kind of put a halt on the world war they were fighting. Lelouch was hedging his bets on taken Japan and staking the best of his forces in the assault. Japan was the key to the war with Britannia.
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2009-05-08, 20:57 | Link #49 |
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That talk about Code R makes me wonder once again...
How much did they know at the beginning of the first season? They had pretty old photographs of C.C. and needed to have a lot of information to do what they did later on, but Clovis specifically ordered to bring C.C. back alive - even when no one except maybe Bartley was paying attention. So... did the research team have more information than Clovis? Were they just not aware of the "extend" of C.C.'s immortality? And how could Schneizel get involved with Code R without finding out about Geass? ...I think it's really time for me to rewatch everything. Edit: Then again... wasn't it with V.V.'s help that Jeremiah got his Geass caneler? And for everything else, they didn't need that much information - not about the nature of immortality or even the Geass itself.
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The production of the warheads is a moot point. Just having them is enough of a threat that no one would be stupid enough to try an attack, especially when it's been proven that they are willing to nuke their own territory. The UFN would lose without Lelouch, because they were outmanned and outgunned. Lelouch was the only thing evening the odds. He would if told to by the Emperor. He'd probably try to get around it through negotiations, but if he was told to take Japan back, he'd do it.
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Men and resources were not really much of a concern when Britannia had FLEIA. And really Schneizel had an easy enough time steamrollering the EU. My point is that they needed Zero to fight Britannia, and that was the reason they joined up. Because the nations all acknowledged that they could not survive without Zero's power. |
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They don't need him to run it, they need him if they hope to survive.
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You're missing the point. You equate inability to survive with immediate collapse. This is wrong. Survival means their hope for continued existence in battle with a superior foe, and without Lelouch they did not have that. That doesn't mean they would collapse on the spot, it means they'd get trounced.
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Without Lelouch the UFN was screwed, Xing-ke was intelligent in one battle than spent the rest of the series coughing up blood, and Todoh is just flat out incompetent. Outside of one battle which we have never seen anytime his lead his either got nearly his entire army captured or needed to be saved by Zero.
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If Lelouch was not betrayed, Schneizel was right on the ship ripe for Geass. That was because there was a lull in the fighting with Britannia. The Black Knights lost Zero and Britannia did not know the where abouts of it's Emperor. The UFN could be held together in a time of relative peace, but the point me and Morbo is making is that in a fight with Britannia, Lelouch was what held them together. |
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That's because Britannia wasn't even trying that hard to stop the terrorist squad's until recently. As soon as Britannia sent in even a fraction of their military might, the Black Knights where easily defeated, and most of them captured. |
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