Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 11 Discussion / Poll

[Sander RX]

How is 00 Raiser underwhelming?
Its speed was nothing short of impressive:
1)It squeezed Setsuna and Saji into their seats,despite great G protection of the CB units(remember how Trans-Ams crazy manuevers didnt cause CB pilots even a slight loss in comfort.)
2)It freaking blasted off so fast that it made a circle around the asteroid and appeared behind Ginin who was chasing him at full speed.

When it went Trans-Am,it caused a super-Newtype reaction in everyone!
And...

Spoiler for Believe in the sign of 00:

Oh and having troubles againstt enemies hardly tells of ones weakness.

Mazinkaiser has had some troubles against Mechanical Beasts and Ideon has had troubles against Buff Clan mechs...yet Kira and GSD Haxx brigade dont stand a tiny chance against any of them.

[SaintessHeart]

Originally Posted by Demongod86

You mean because odds are a pilot these days won't even have a chance of seeing five enemy aircraft throughout his career because nobody even dreams of sending up fighter jets vs. F-15s and F-16s which have never ever been defeated in air to air combat? (In fact, American and Israeli F-15s have never ever been shot down by hostile fire IIRC).

And that's our retired legacy fighter nonsense.

That is because of advanced ECMs and AWACs on patrol dummy.

Originally Posted by Demongod86

F-22s and F-35s?

If there are enough targets in the air, an F-22 pilot can become an ace on his first mission going by that definition of five kills.

Sort of easy when you have the most advanced machine in the known universe at your command, right?

I think Wing and SEED got it right. When you have the newest most dazzling piece of technology in the universe, you are not expected to break a sweat. You are supposed to take on tremendous odds such as 6:1...and win.

To put it even more into perspective, I believe that at operation red flag, around 20 F-22s shot down over a hundred F-15s, F-16s, and F-18s without even being scratched.

So while it's not exactly fantastic for entertainment, I think the most accurate portrayal of the power of technological advantage was actually the last battle of GSD. When you're far ahead of everyone else, the battle becomes a curb stomper.

In fact, if for all of that power, the gundam 00 could only take down one MS, if I was A-Laws, I'd take my entire damn fleet and attack the Ptolemaios and with my hundreds of suits, just take down their four and be done with it.

Have you ever wondered why CB only produced 4 GN drives? Or why had they only produced 4 Gundams? Or why does A-laws have rather limited suit? Why are they still using Tierens to defend "Guantamo"?

There is a limit to resources.

[[Sakuretsu]]

Fanservice, out of nowhere. Random scene is so random.

But nonetheless, the episode was great and upset-inducing at the same time.

CB needs more upgrades and more counter-strategies to Mannequin and Innovators. They were raped so bad this time around. Poor Ian ;_;

[RAVNEN]

Originally Posted by SaintessHeart

There is a limit to resources.

Yeah,who will crazy enough to travel to Jupiter & create true GN Drive.
Except someone retard & stupid like Paptimus make it happen.

[Village Idiot]

So it does need to connect to whatever external power they use, to recharge the drive?

Well it'll drain the MS' GN Condensors, then it takes time for the GN Drive Tau to generate enough GN Particles to recharge the GN Condensors before its at a level where it could fire again.

Basically think of:

GN Condensor = Capacitor
GN Drive = Reactor

Operating the MS' functions drains the GN Condensor of GN Particles, which the GN Drive continually produces and stores in the GN Condensors (in true GN Drive's case, indefinitely, or for a GN Drive Tau, as long as it have the electricity to continue the GN Particle production process).

[mechalord]

All Federation mobile suits have fake GN Drives. A-Laws just has access to the most recent and experimental fake GN drive technology.

Sergei's coventional federation mobile suit had a GN drive. It emitted red GN particles and he is part of the conventional military. They probably use the original model units shown in S1.

Oh yeah, CB has 5 GN drives on them. Don't know if they have access to a total of 6. Not sure. Does 00 use 0 Gundams original GN drive or does it use a different one?


Anyhow, I'm wondering when 0 Gundam will reappear. It only appears in the first and last episodes last season very briefly. I'm waiting for the mad hax prototype mobile suit powers to come into play.

We have more than half the season left. I'm sure 00 Gundam Raiser will be bested and it may get trashed.

[Village Idiot]

Originally Posted by mechalord

All Federation mobile suits have fake GN Drives. A-Laws just has access to the most recent and experimental fake GN drive technology.

Sergei's coventional federation mobile suit had a GN drive. It emitted red GN particles and he is part of the conventional military. They probably use the original model units shown in S1.

I'm going with the same reason why the GI Joe and Cobra Teams fires red and blue lasers, or why the Empire and Rebel Alliance fires green and red lasers.

[RAVNEN]

Originally Posted by The Small One

I just noticed on second viewing, that it was Soma, who was together with Saji and Ian in the hangar... now isn't this stupid: The experienced soldier and pilot is transporting the injured to sick bay, while the rookie controls the new and very important fighter?


Did they mention, what kind of tools they used to trap the 00? It looked like some sort of smokescreen, but it somehow damaged the Gundam... and it was't even using GN particles.

The sinister force that hold all thing or string call PLOT make it happen.
That weapon has some similarity with Agressa electrical weapon back then.

[Urei]

Originally Posted by Revolutionist

Here's the deal, once upon a time movies/anime where the hero took on 50 bad guys by himself and kicked their asses and came out unscratched were considered good and entertaining. Now people mock that, because quite frankly it's stupid and unrealistic.

You want mindless entertainment where the good guys obliterate waves and waves of nameless grunts? Go watch goddamn SEED Destiny, but don't come here starting arguments with people because you'd like 00 to turn into the big steaming pile of shit that SEED DESTINY was.

00 is awesome because animation quality isn't sacrificed so some retards can get their dose of big battles. In this series battles are more realistic because you only have a small amount of units in the battlefield at any one time, which reflects the supposed cost of producing and maintaining such units, not to mention that it accurately reflects the skill and personalities of army personnel. A trained pilot actually *gasp* has some skill and can give the protagonist a run for his money.

To summ up your point, 00 is A.D. where a vision of our world is shown. It's not a series where dozens and hundereds of suits are produced so that main characters can use their toys.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by [Sakuretsu]

Fanservice, out of nowhere. Random scene is so random.

It's not fanservice --- when are you people going to stop saying it is? Just because a naked body is shown doesn't mean it's fanservice.

[mike_s_6]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

It's not fanservice --- when are you people going to stop saying it is? Just because a naked body is shown doesn't mean it's fanservice.

If it's fanservice, I really don't know right now who it's directed to

[Child_of_Sierra]

Originally Posted by The Small One

I just noticed on second viewing, that it was Soma, who was together with Saji and Ian in the hangar... now isn't this stupid: The experienced soldier and pilot is transporting the injured to sick bay, while the rookie controls the new and very important fighter?

Adding to this you'd think that since they had O-raiser in development for so long somebody else would be piloting it. (No not Ian, he already performs the too important role of engineer in the ship).

I always assumed that Veda selected each and every person on Ptolemaios back in season 1 so i never questioned why they had a lack of back-up pilots or crew then. Now I just see it as a forced event to have recently joined members (Saji, Soma) help out when they clearly had other people in the CB base who could assist in the ship.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Child_of_Sierra

Adding to this you'd think that since they had O-raiser in development for so long somebody else would be piloting it. (No not Ian, he already performs the too important role of engineer in the ship).

I always assumed that Veda selected each and every person on Ptolemaios back in season 1 so i never questioned why they had a lack of back-up pilots or crew then. Now I just see it as a forced event to have recently joined members (Saji, Soma) help out when they clearly had other people in the CB base who could assist in the ship.

Exactly because VEDA chose them that might explain why they couldn't: They, like the Meisters, probably would have been chosen on the basis of their specialty. Since CB now seems to rely on the same members as back then, it seems that they were recruited more for the jobs that they've been doing back then as opposed to doing jobs they weren't meant to do.

Also, they probably didn't need a dedicated pilot for the O-Raiser: Haro was shown to have the ability to singlehandedly pilot the thing afterall (on that note, the cockpit of the O-Raiser is actually identical to the Cherudim's cockpit). In any event, the person who would be inside the O-Raiser would probably focus more on the Twin Drive System once docked than on any combat duty. Hence why when the O-Raiser deployed, Setsuna immediately thought Ian was inside it, and hence his surprise when he found out it was Saji instead.

[SuperKnuckles]

Originally Posted by Shiroth

It's not fanservice --- when are you people going to stop saying it is? Just because a naked body is shown doesn't mean it's fanservice.

AHAHA. serious lols. Completely agreed. So absurd.

Anyways, anybody just sit at their computer, replaying the 00-Raiser combining scene? The music, the tension. So awesome. I must have rewatched that one scene about 10 times.

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by SuperKnuckles

Anyways, anybody just sit at their computer, replaying the 00-Raiser combining scene? The music, the tension. So awesome. I must have rewatched that one scene about 10 times.

Twice that amount

I love all the detail that went into animating the sequence, it had all the vibe of a Super Robot gattai sequence without being too over the top

The sequence ending is actually quite similar to GaoGaiGar... a close up of the forehead, then rotating before finally posing as it releases all its power.

[Spring_sakura111]

Love this episode. I was so excited...and I can't believe it...Saji saves the day..and err...some Gundam Seed Destiny Deja vu with the nude people floating around.

[wtfftw]

i could have a good laugh bout the last 3 pages.
Demongod and coalition vs opposition^^

anyway Gundam 00 is for a different audience(older, mature). The only real thing why the gundam suck is because of lack of team work. In Seed gundam can solo against grunts here you cant.

ALso Kati's strategy was a continuous WTFPAWNED scenario's that puts an enemy who doesnt know what to do in a serious pinch.

and lastly there like max 6 - 9 enemy suits so even if he went Transam its not like it will be a big chopping spree unless he is gonna whoop Louise too. It can happen though cuz Ribbons is like WTF. Anyway it would mean killing patrick andrei louise 2 innovators.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

The sequence ending is actually quite similar to GaoGaiGar... a close up of the forehead, then rotating before finally posing as it releases all its power.

Not just GGG, it was like a lot of gattai scenes, though that's no surprise.

[Hypernova]

Originally Posted by mike_s_6

If it's fanservice, I really don't know right now who it's directed to

Personally because they were still in a seated posture I got the vibe that they were taking a dump

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Demongod86

It's not about winning or losing.

It's about how you do it, and against who, the who taking into account the numbers.

Why do you think the original Starcraft Protoss campaign was so epic?

Because of the sheer number you are up against.

Nobody is interested in 1v1s unless both sides of that are the movers and shakers of the universe.

Speak for yourself, Amuro vs. Rambal Ral was awesome, as was Camille vs the Titans.

My favorite battles in Super Robot Wars isn't with the leaders its Kyosuke vs Axel, Ibis vs. Sleigh, Sanger vs. Wodan the aces on each side.

Likewise the best battles are not Gundam 00 kicking the crap out of the A-Laws its Setsuna vs. Graham or Setsuna vs. Ali.

To put a similar series Wing Zero had a gun that could destroy a colony, the best fight in the entire series is Wing Zero vs Epyon in a close range duel.

Anyone can write a scene where a mecha destroys about a thousand mecha it takes a real writer to write a battle where that same mecha duels its equal in a battle of true epic proportions.