2008-07-27, 16:29 | Link #1 |
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Are Cali youth more conservative?
I have noticed that nearly everybody on the Internet from California is either conservative or libertarian, about 90% of the time. On many forums, often those anime related, only the Californians are conservative and everybody else is liberal. Why is everybody with in the younger online generation so conservative in California?
*old post* California isn't a Democrat/Blue state. The state is mixed, it has generally favored Democrats on national races, but Republicans on local races. The state is ran by more Democrats with a moderate GOP governor, however the state population is predominately conservative and VERY REDNECK. Most of California is culturally and politically like a red state, with the exceptions being the Bay Area and Los Angeles Basin. Some notable issues would be that: -) the most important political issues are the death penalty and immigration, California is more pro-death penalty than any other state even Texas; & -) also take into account that CA Democrats are generally more moderate while its Republicans are very right-wing. This being the case, California will probably favor Republicans on both the national and especially the local level in the near future, especially once its younger more militarized populace start voting in higher numbers; *younger generations in California are predominately Republican or libertarian/independent while older union oriented generations favor Democrats. Also, highest growth rates are in San Diego and the Central Valley, which make up most of the conservative Republican voting population in the state. |
2008-07-27, 21:02 | Link #2 |
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Really? As a "Cali Youth", this is kinda news to me. I'm definitely not conservative, personally (just about the only liberal measure I oppose is Affirmative Action). Then again, my teens are coming to an end, so I dunno if that's too old for you...
This is a highly regional issue. There are primarily 2 urban centers in CA and you already named the: the bay and LA. Here you have your UC Berkeley and Haight-Ashbury and gay parades. The other parts of CA are basically farmland that comprises a significant portion of the nation's agriculture. All of the US grown tomatoes, citrus, avocadoes, and other Mediterranean plants are cultivated here. Yeah, that's a lot of land, basically 95% of CA is farmland. Many of these farmers are the direct descendants of the original migrant farmers to Cali and are relatively isolated from liberal Cali, so they tend to be more conservative and "redneck". There is much more to the equation than just region, but that wouldn't be "politically correct" to talk about on a public forum. My friends and I are basically all atheist/agnostic liberals, who are very socially liberal (some are fiscally conservative). But then again, I'm from the bay and never really stayed in SoCal long enough to soak up the political mood there.
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2008-07-27, 21:40 | Link #3 |
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Anywhere you go, there is a strong divide in politics between urban (liberal) and rural (conservative).
This divide transcends age and education. But the cities don't give some strange "liberalization aura". There is something deeper. A clue can be drawn from political divide between the rich, for instance: the divide tends to be between the "self-made" rich (who tend to be conservative) and the "silver spoon" rich (who tend to be liberal).
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2008-07-27, 23:39 | Link #4 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California PS: If your curious, I tend to be more left/radical in my own opinions and mindset. |
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2008-07-28, 00:36 | Link #5 |
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Yes, I would consider OC + universities around the LA area (Occidental, etc.) "urban" and in the same category as LA itself.
It's kind of irrelevant since communities in general do not really represent youths in the community completely. Political profiles are highly correlated among family though. In the end, I really have no answer for you. I lived in a liberal South Bay suburb and now go to UC Berkeley. As sad as it is, the Bay Area is highly divided among race/class between and sometimes even within cities (ethnic ghettos), so it's hard to get to know people from different backgrounds very well. My HS had under 30 Latino and African American students. The school had almost 2000 students total. An adjacent town has the reverse composition. I'm curious to know though, where are you getting the "90% of Californians are conservative" statistics? I don't notice that trend here, nor on soompi.com, which has MANY young Californians
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However, San Diego and the Inland Empire are conservative high population areas. Both in which, are both politically conservative and culturally backwards. San Diego is a metropolitan city with almost 2 million people, and its solidly Republican. Down here in San Diego, there are two classes of neighborhoods: upper class & military. The military are even further to the right and more conservative than the rich. San Diego has the highest concentration of NAVY in the ENTIRE WORLD, also having the highest concentration of Marine Corps. The high concentration of military also attract white evangelicals to the area, and the rich are often former military. Quote:
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2008-07-28, 02:11 | Link #8 |
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I think this just stems from the stereotype that Californians are ultra-liberal hippies. You tend to remember things that go against what you'd expect, like a conservative poster from CA.
SD sounds pretty different than the Bay, probably because of who the military usually attracts. Much of the armed forces comes from the poor in the Midwest for financial incentives. That's why many of them are "culturally backward" and "conservative white evangelicals". All of the soldiers are young and part of the "internet generation", which may be the reason. Very high numbers of military personnel who are usually from the Midwest probably has a huge impact on the culture of SD. This is all really just speculation, I've been to SD...twice. Beautiful city, UCSD kicks ass and a lot of my friends are going there, but that's about the extent of my knowledge about that area. I'm still kinda curious what forums you're talking about. It's rare to have a poster that is from non-LA, non-Bay Area parts of CA anyway. But yeah, a surprising amount of Californians are conservative. If that's what you mean, then I agree.
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I see a lot of CA posters, not just from LA and the Bay; but often from the Inland Empire as well > lots of young people. It depends on which forums, go to a forum about cars or guns; most CA posters there are from the SD area. When in anime forums, very rarely are people from around here; but there are tons of people from here on the Internet. Quote:
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2008-07-28, 16:00 | Link #11 |
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Except that the Bay Area isn't "Northern California". Move a few inches to the right on the map and it gets rural conservative.
Sweeping generalizations usually fail...
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2008-07-28, 20:34 | Link #13 |
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If 22 counts as "youth", then count me in. I'm actually conservative.
Though I've answered liberal in two cases: abortion and gay marriages. I don't agree with it, but I don't think the government should regulate what anyone chooses to do with their lives. I'm pretty much a rare case here, as it's primarily liberal around my area (LA).
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I'd guess that most conservatives here, are more libertarian than Republican. |
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2008-07-30, 07:54 | Link #15 |
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I played World of Warcraft with a teenager from California. The kid was so obnoxious! His laughter, his attitude, his stupid racist jokes, and complete lack of respect for fellow humans made me not want to associate with the twerp.
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2008-07-31, 02:35 | Link #20 |
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It is a strategic mistake to assume that because the coastline of California is "liberal" (whatever the hell that means) it follows that the whole state is "liberal".
California election returns show a much closer distribution of Dems and Repubs state-wide. The Valley region (I-5 corridor) tends to run more moderate to conservative. Northern California is usually meant as anything "north of Fresno" from the coast to the Sierras, So it includes not only San Francisco but Marin county, Humboldt, Shasta, Sacramento, Turlock, Livermore, Tahoe, etc etc. which all together constitute a considerable part of the total population (though not the majority).
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