Utawarerumono: Itsuwari no Kamen - Game Discussion

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

are the Red Slime still sentient or are they acting on instinct?

They have some sentience. When you fight them, they say stuff like: Stop it, don't leave me, it hurts, Mama.

As for the red slime in the beginning of the story

Spoiler:

In the game, I got the impression that it could be Haku's niece, and in the new scene in the anime it seems to hint at it even further with the slime looking at Haku, and then leaving.
Too bad it's impossible to know whatever it is her or not until it might be revealed in Utaware 3.

[deathcoy]

Oh man, i'm a fan of Utawarerumono, played the game a couple of playthroughs but i really dunno if i want to watch the anime sequel or play the game(I dont have console so this is out of the question anyways, is any licensed english translation planned?).

I kinda feel where Utawarerumono ended was best left as is. What you guys think? Should i watch the sequel?

[Hiro Hayase]

So Kuon left home without saying anything.... that explains how Karura and Touka are "coincidentally" close by at inns and so on in the journey. Either that or the cast from the first series are out looking for Hakuoro.

You could watch it if you want when it reaches 25 episodes. There's a high chance for a season 3 for the anime as well.

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Hiro Hayase

So Kuon left home without saying anything.... that explains how Karura and Touka are "coincidentally" close by at inns and so on in the journey. Either that or the cast from the first series are out looking for Hakuoro.

I don't think that Karura and Touka is there because of Kuon, their official reason was that since there was no real baths in Yamato, they created a inn with one. And the reason why Kuon stays in that Inn is because of the bath there.
Truthfully, I believe the real reason Karura and Touka is there is to spy on Yamato, especially since Benawi learnt of

Spoiler:

the emperor's assassination

faster than the Yamato army in Tuskuru did.

[Hmm....]

I will ask it here. (Haven't read the whole thread to not being spoiled)

If this new game worth playing ? Is it better, worse or about the same as first game ? relatively speaking.

I did play original game after I watched original anime. And I found that the game suck. Gameplay-wise, it's very basic and gave me no challenge whatsoever. Story-wise, to be fair, I played Japanese version. So I can't read one bit of it. I depended on anime knowledge and visual cue to understand what's going on. So I wouldn't catch bits and pieces the anime missed.

I may be to blame for expecting proper gameplay from H-game back then. However, is it different this time around ??

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Hmm....

I will ask it here. (Haven't read the whole thread to not being spoiled)

If this new game worth playing ? Is it better, worse or about the same as first game ? relatively speaking.

I did play original game after I watched original anime. And I found that the game suck. Gameplay-wise, it's very basic and gave me no challenge whatsoever. Story-wise, to be fair, I played Japanese version. So I can't read one bit of it. I depended on anime knowledge and visual cue to understand what's going on. So I wouldn't catch bits and pieces the anime missed.

I may be to blame for expecting proper gameplay from H-game back then. However, is it different this time around ??

Don't expect anything deep from the gameplay side, it's not the focus.

I liked the gameplay, but it's as basic as it can get, and there are only 17 stages so there aren't a lot.

Like the first game, it's story first gameplay second.
There are however difficulty settings, but I don't like hard games so I didn't test the hard one.
The only battle I had problem with was the final boss.
But at the same time I missed the existence of Bonus Points so my units could've been a lot stronger than they were.
And as for the plot, it felt like utawarerumono to me, but the story is slow.
And when it's start to get faster it ends with what feels like a "to be continued" ending for Utaware 3.

[Hmm....]

Ah, Ok. Thank for information. I guess I might just stick with anime first then.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Don't expect anything deep from the gameplay side, it's not the focus.

I liked the gameplay, but it's as basic as it can get, and there are only 17 stages so there aren't a lot.

Like the first game, it's story first gameplay second.
There are however difficulty settings, but I don't like hard games so I didn't test the hard one.
The only battle I had problem with was the final boss.
But at the same time I missed the existence of Bonus Points so my units could've been a lot stronger than they were.
And as for the plot, it felt like utawarerumono to me, but the story is slow.
And when it's start to get faster it ends with what feels like a "to be continued" ending for Utaware 3.

There are BP in this game but you can only arrange them at the menu before or after battle. Extra BP can be gained by recalling past battles.

As for the plot, I think it has pretty much completed what it was intented to write about under the title, such that I think perhaps Haku will not be the protagonst in the next game. But there are many small turns in the plot that are easily go unnoticed before war begins. Perhaps it's lacking some big events but I think there is a limitation to the length of the story that limited the number of events allowed in the plot.

If you remember the anime of the first game, pacing near the end was very rushed and a lot of plot points were cut away. It seems this second game is designed with anime in mind so I think this is a major reason for the length and the way it is designed.

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Alf

There are BP in this game but you can only arrange them at the menu before or after battle. Extra BP can be gained by recalling past battles.

As for the plot, I think it has pretty much completed what it was intented to write about under the title, such that I think perhaps Haku will not be the protagonst in the next game. But there are many small turns in the plot that are easily go unnoticed before war begins. Perhaps it's lacking some big events but I think there is a limitation to the length of the story that limited the number of events allowed in the plot.

If you remember the anime of the first game, pacing near the end was very rushed and a lot of plot points were cut away. It seems this second game is designed with anime in mind so I think this is a major reason for the length and the way it is designed.

Yeah, I know that. It was only that I found out about the BP after finishing the game. That what I get for not reading the menus more carefully.
The after battle was added in a patch later after I finished the game.

Spoiler:

While I do believe that it's a possibility for a new main in Utaware 3, what's the point?
Haku still have the fan due to Kuon dropping it and he finally got a mask at the end.
And what would the point of killing Oshutoru if Haku is going to act like the old Oshutoru and not show his thoughts?
I also feel there's too much unresolved things about Haku to put him as a side character.
Are there going to be a third old human character appearing? Go through the same old introductions? Or is it going to be some completely random character?
If there are a new main, I would be disappointed. But who knows, maybe it will work great.

I don't feel like the story is incomplete. It did fully show everything that had to do with the subtitle, however it clearly to me feels like it's a two prater.
I don't know if it was always planned to be one, or they decided to split it and extend the first part with more daily life parts.

I like Itsuwari, and I'm not disappointed with it at all.
It's only going to be a long wait for Utaware 3, but at least it's been said that it won't take 2 years at least.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Spoiler:

While I do believe that it's a possibility for a new main in Utaware 3, what's the point?
Haku still have the fan due to Kuon dropping it and he finally got a mask at the end.
And what would the point of killing Oshutoru if Haku is going to act like the old Oshutoru and not show his thoughts?
I also feel there's too much unresolved things about Haku to put him as a side character.
Are there going to be a third old human character appearing? Go through the same old introductions? Or is it going to be some completely random character?
If there are a new main, I would be disappointed. But who knows, maybe it will work great.

I don't feel like the story is incomplete. It did fully show everything that had to do with the subtitle, however it clearly to me feels like it's a two prater.
I don't know if it was always planned to be one, or they decided to split it and extend the first part with more daily life parts.

I like Itsuwari, and I'm not disappointed with it at all.
It's only going to be a long wait for Utaware 3, but at least it's been said that it won't take 2 years at least.

Spoiler for major spoiler:

It's just that by converting Haku into Oshutoru, it feels like his growth have completed and much of his flaws are taken away, and that don't usually feel like the main at the start of a story. But yeah you're right there is so much about him can't just being put away and his past must come back to haunt him just like what Hakuoro went through. The same can be said about the main cast as well. Perhaps it's just a problem of how is the introduction going to be handled in the 3rd game.

But if it is just one game splited into 2 parts then the theme of the story would be questionable. This 2nd is having a theme that is quite symetric to the first game, but I don't think the same theme is going to continue in the 3rd game. So I think it isn't really split at concept stage, but perhaps it is designed to be splited at planning stage of the later 2 games. Afterall, you can actually take the view that this 2nd game is a setup of the final stage, and that would be likely to save some overall scenario length.

[CatRules]

I just pray for Kuuya's return

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Alf

Spoiler for major spoiler:

It's just that by converting Haku into Oshutoru, it feels like his growth have completed and much of his flaws are taken away, and that don't usually feel like the main at the start of a story. But yeah you're right there is so much about him can't just being put away and his past must come back to haunt him just like what Hakuoro went through. The same can be said about the main cast as well. Perhaps it's just a problem of how is the introduction going to be handled in the 3rd game.

Spoiler:

While turning into Oshutoru is making Haku into another character, I don't feel like that is the end for his development.
Haku is in a completely unknown situation, his relationship with Nekone have taken a sharp turn.
Most his friends are likely to disappear (Kuon is gone, Atui and Rurutie are likely to go home to their countries. Unknown whatever Yakutowaruto will stay or not. Nosuri will likely only stay around Anju, who knows when Ougi and Kiuru will leave the capital) and he can't say who he is to anyone.
Some people think that Oshutoru assassinated the emperor, so Haku will have to take all of that heat and deal with it while Anju can't speak.
And it will likely bite him in the back to completely abandon his Haku persona. For how long can he keep it up?

I myself might be happiest if both Kuon and Haku are the protagonists of the next game, with Haku shows from the Yamato side while Kuon shows the out/Tuskuru side

Originally Posted by CatRules

I just pray for Kuuya's return

I wouldn't expect her to return. Her Voice Actor doesn't seem to be active anymore. Let's only pray that Kuuya lives a long and peaceful life.

Edit: Itsuwari have sold/shipped 120 000 copies

[CatRules]

Originally Posted by LROlsson

I wouldn't expect her to return. Her Voice Actor doesn't seem to be active anymore. Let's only pray that Kuuya lives a long and peaceful life.

On the other hand, Sakuya's.......

though it broke my(shipper) heart, it might be better if they stay the same after all..

What happened to them leave a bad taste in my mouth. I just hope nothing ever happen to ruin their lives again....

[Krunk]

A few questions about the story:

Itsuwari is supposed to take place 15-20 years after the original right? If the emperor lived so long, why didn't he attack Tuskuru while it was still individual countries? Yamato is supposed to be a huge empire, so what took him so long?

Also, how did Haku's brother manage to create such a huge empire to begin with? I can't imagine him being a fantastic strategist, considering that he focused on science more than anything.

[sawkooyah]

Originally Posted by CatRules

On the other hand, Sakuya's.......

though it broke my(shipper) heart, it might be better if they stay the same after all..

What happened to them leave a bad taste in my mouth. I just hope nothing ever happen to ruin their lives again....

Bless this post. I kept thinking the same thing throughout the wait for this game and the fact that nothing else has been said really irks me like nothing else. I mean, just the fact they swept something like that completely under the rug is wrong. And what's worse is that they haven't said anything about their whereabouts.

Unfortunately, I've come to fear the worst in this thought process, especially considering Aquaplus' track record.

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by Krunk

A few questions about the story:

Itsuwari is supposed to take place 15-20 years after the original right? If the emperor lived so long, why didn't he attack Tuskuru while it was still individual countries? Yamato is supposed to be a huge empire, so what took him so long?

Also, how did Haku's brother manage to create such a huge empire to begin with? I can't imagine him being a fantastic strategist, considering that he focused on science more than anything.

Spoiler:

While the Emperor suspected that there were something big in Onkamiyamukai, he wasn't certain of it until Kamyu and Aruru visited Yamato.
That was the first time Tuskuru had ever had some official dialog with Yamato.
The emperor's true motives aren't that clear, but he have been searching for Haku for a long time but never finding him, so he could very well started to move more directly after Haku had regained his memories and Haku had found out that the emperor was his brother. And supposedly the Emperor is starting to get inpatient due to nearing his end of his life-span.

I can't remember the exact details, I played through the game fast and have yet to do a second run, but the emperor is seen as a god and is also a bit ruthless.
People follow him due to him being seen as a god, and he also provided them with tech as reward (the waterwheel in the first episode came from him).
And he didn't really created the empire by himself. He tried to teach them things, got disappointing by how they acted and went back to the shelter.
He came back years later and saw just how much the culture had changed while he had been gone.

[Om Nerabdator]

any talk of this being release in the US?

Originally Posted by LROlsson

Spoiler for MAJOR SPOILER FOR THE ENDING:

But, haha, I wonder how the anime watchers will like the ending, and how is the anime going to explain Kuon since she was cut from the ending in the anime

They could just do a naruto and throw in a conveinent flashback to make everything make sense...i swear that Pain turnaround made so much more sense in the anime...

[ozer22]

I just saw a spoiler on youtube and have some questions.

Spoiler:

Oshutoru and Vrai could transform into a monster like Hakuoro because of mask's power, right?
Then, could Mikazuchi, Munechika and Haku who wear the mask transform into a monster too?

[LROlsson]

Originally Posted by ozer22

I just saw a spoiler on youtube and have some questions.

Spoiler:

Oshutoru and Vrai could transform into a monster like Hakuoro because of mask's power, right?
Then, could Mikazuchi, Munechika and Haku who wear the mask transform into a monster too?

Spoiler:

Never shown whatever they can do it or not, but probably.
The masks gives them power though, Munechika uses a barrier, and if I remember correctly Mikazuchi can use lightning.
The masks are gates to the source that gives them powers. It's never said what the source is, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's Witsalnemitea

[tsunade666]

^They are leeching on Hakuoro?