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45 | 29.80% |
9 out of 10 : Excellent |
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36 | 23.84% |
8 out of 10 : Very Good |
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24 | 15.89% |
7 out of 10 : Good |
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18 | 11.92% |
6 out of 10 : Average |
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16 | 10.60% |
5 out of 10 : Below Average |
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4 | 2.65% |
4 out of 10 : Poor |
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2 | 1.32% |
3 out of 10 : Bad |
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0 | 0% |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad |
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2 | 1.32% |
1 out of 10 : Painful |
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4 | 2.65% |
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After 9 months in jail, being free to re-enter society, and move about freely, may be alien to a person. Such a person may be unsure of what to do, at least at first. It doesn't mean that the ex-convict would actually want to be back in jail, though. ![]() Quote:
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I don't see why all of this is so hard for you, and a few other posters on this thread, to accept. Isn't it just common sense, really? I mean, would you rather someone be nice and warm to you, or mean and nasty to you? What would most people want, if given a choice between the two? Yes, Kyousuke may be a bit of an oddity, but he's shown that he appreciates people being kind towards him. If Kyousuke was a total masochist who liked being treated harshly by others (including his sister), then why would his best friend who he regularly hangs out with be the exceptionally kind and sweet and understanding Manami? The guy is not as strange or atypical as he's sometimes made out to be, imo. And Kirino having the capacity to be kind and sweet to Kyousuke also makes her a more realistic and well-rounded character, in my view. Do you disagree? Quote:
However, that doesn't mean that he doesn't have personal preferences for what he would like Kirino to be like. Also, a demure little sister is at least part of what Kirino is. She chose to be that, in most of this episode, of her own accord. Quote:
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Again, why is that so hard for you, and some other people on this thread, to accept? It is truly baffling to me.
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Kirino is cute just the way she is. "Tsuntsun" side and all. By the end of the show, Kyousuke understands this. That's the meaning of the title. The last title call was while she was being tsun (along with the title call in Episode 3, incidentally), and his final smile is in result to another of her "tsun" actions. That's the response to Episode 1. He didn't come to appreciate Kirino because she changed her behaviour, he came to appreciate her because he finally understood what her behaviour really meant. They have an understanding now and, in spite of it all, are no longer "enemies". They'll automatically get along a bit better from now on because she doesn't have to put up such a strong front; he can let her be dishonest all she wants, because he knows the truth now. It's as if he deciphered the code; he doesn't have to be so defensive anymore. So yes, of course Kyousuke likes it when Kirino acts nice to him (who wouldn't?), but the point of the show isn't "how Kyousuke came to get along with Kirino because she learned to be more nice". It's how Kyousuke learned to understand Kirino's behaviour even though it isn't always "nice". She isn't the demure sister from the dream opening, but she's cute all the same just the way she is. I'm not sure how long you're going to continue arguing with everyone who disagrees with your interpretation of the story, but eventually we may just have to agree to disagree and leave it at that.
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This was a great episode. Also, as to the "good end", I would say this qualifies in every way - Kirino has turned down her "tsun" from 100%, Kyousuke really become closer to his sister, basically it's all good. I haven't read the LNs, but from what I hear some bad things go down... In this ending, none of those things seem very likely. So I think it is very much a "good end".
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Kirino's apology to Kyousuke, and her thanking him profusely and even giving him a gift, is a major turning point in this anime. It was here that we see the two siblings truly become closer to one another, as both let their guards down, and they became closer than they were at any time before. It is here that feelings are communicated openly and honestly, and that's essential for any healthy relationship bond, familial, romantic, or otherwise. Quote:
Kyousuke had to accept Kirino's otaku lifestyle, and be willing to go through the struggle of relationship rediscovery with her, while her otaku interests served as a helpful vehicle for that. Kirino, meanwhile, had to learn to drop the tsuntsun mask, and show her true feelings to her brother. If Kirino had not done that, then we would not have had as happy an ending. Quote:
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Thanks for the words of support, DingoEnderZ0E2. Glad there are some folks here who share my interpretation of this anime. ![]()
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Well things certainly worked out alright. I can't blame Kyousuke for being thrown off by Kirino's behavior in the first part. Was definitely acting way more nice than usual. Though clearly trying to spend as much time as she could with him before having to leave. In the end had to decide on what would be a great opportunity vs what she had to lose. Finally she's started to rebuild that sibling relationship and even with mail it would be hard to keep that. Has friends for all areas of her life and a family that cares. Can't blame her for changing her mind and wanting to hang onto all that.
Nice little phone call with Kuroneko. The Nii-san thing still gets on Kirino's nerves which is obviously part of the reason she keeps doing it. A bit of foreshadowing with saying she'd soon be calling him something else. An episode that brings us back to the siblings with a few looks at the other characters. Seems Kuroneko has really gotten into that neko maid outfit ![]()
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Looks like Kirino became a little more tolerable in this last episode. If she was like this most of the time, this series wouldn't have sucked as much. She was still an ass all those previous episodes, so she's pretty much the worse character I've had to stand this year(and possibly last year too). I only stuck around for the Kuroneko and Saori bits mostly, I enjoyed those moments with them and Kyosuke far more than anything else in this show. I hope those extra episodes give a little more focus to those two.
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Something that I want to clarify after thinking a bit more on RelentlessFlame's arguments:
I'm certainly not saying that Kirino can't ever be tsuntsun again. That she would need to be deredere all the time. More minor (and/or justified) incidents of her being tsuntsun might even be amusing to Kyousuke, and/or understandable if justified. I mean, almost nobody is sweet all the time, so that's not what Kyousuke expects, or even really wants, from her. But I think that on the whole, he'd rather she more often be deredere and honest with him, then tsuntsun and hiding her true feelings behind a mask. The key is that all-tsun, all-the-time, Kirino was not going to fly relationship-wise with Kyousuke. He'd do his brotherly duty for even all-tsun Kirino, but that would be it. She really did have to move off of that, and become a bit more well-rounded, in order for the two of them to truly grow closer together. She didn't need to become exactly like the cute sister in Kyousuke's dream from Episode 1, just closer to that dream sister, which she thankfully did.
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Besides that, just because I'm arguing that her tsuntsun behaviour is part of her cute side (and that was part of the meaning of the show's title) doesn't mean that every single thing she ever did or does is justified and without fault. She took things too far, and so had to apologize, but what does that have to do with anything? She also took things too far when she head-butted him in episode 12, but he understands why she did it. Quote:
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The apology was very important for Kyousuke to understand Kirino's behavoiur, but Kirino is not a "changed little sister" now. The same Kirino who dragged Kyousuke around town to have him buy her a Christmas present, and who made him go out to buy eroge for her at midnight is now telling him that his days of being of use to her are not over. And he's okay with this because, now, he gets her. Basically the thrust of the disagreement is this: your argument is that he likes Kirino now because he sees her "dere" side, and my argument is that he likes Kirino now because he understands she's a "tsundere". Yes, he needed to see the "dere" side to understand the she's not all "tsun", but both sides of a tsundere are cute once you understand they're both there. And I finished writing this before I noticed your new post but oh well.
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Did I miss something while watching this show? What code has been deciphered? What greater understanding has formed between the siblings? This show so far has shown the development of both sides to willingly continue their weak connection, but by no means do they truly understand one another. At the very least, the viewer doesn't know. They haven't explained anything to us. Again i'm going to ask, why do they hate each other (Without extrapolating from extremely weak clues)? This isn't about a character being tsuntsun or deredere or tsundere or whatever the hell people want. We all know what kind of sister Kyousuke sees as picturesque, but as you pointed out, part of this show is having him coming to terms with how her sister acts in "reality." The problem is, and always has been for me in this show past episode 6, that they completely forgot about this. They were constructing this exact narrative, and then decided to shelve it for almost 5 episodes. We had to go through that painful last episode for me, only because the story needed a huge bandaid. Unfortunately for me, that bandaid wasn't good enough. This episode, albeit anime original, was where the show should have been heading to in the first place. Not the silly dribble they put us through in previous episodes (Side stories aside).
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Come on, let's not split hairs here. Making a suggestion is taking an action. I'll admit that "intervention" may not have been the best choice of words on my part, but the core of my point remains the same.
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We might be still slightly apart, but it's nothing major. It's like the difference between a 60 Dere 40 Tsun Tsundere and a 40 Dere 60 Tsun Tsundere. It's not really worth arguing over.
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I must say, I'm glad it never went down the incest route; as this stresses the importance of familial bonds and facing reality instead of indulging too much in fantasy. An incest route would make absolutely no sense to me besides for comical reasons; I mean just because you reconcile with a family member doesn't mean you're gonna secks them. It'd be really odd to have relationships and friendships like that.
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I still like the series... I'm just disappointed that they keep offering me new threads repeatedly without significantly developing the threads they've already created. And then suddenly we have ep 12... "The Bandaid" as you call it (or the "o shit we gotta wrap this up for the broadcast"). Those extra episodes need to be chock full of thread followups. ![]()
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Any ending that doesn't involve Kirino getting run over by a toxic waste truck - and surviving - sucks in my book. As long as they were going for an original ending, might as well have done that... So not a single bad thing happened to her for all of her bitchness? That's just super.
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argh, for a 'Kirino closure' episode ender of the season.
Kirino once again shows her bad side. Outright attacking, punching and kicking Kyosuke like that? TOTAL BRAT! Also, I don't get why the character never leaves for america like this... Kyosuke is right, it is a good opportunity. She should take it. Best part of the episode was Kuroneko posing in front of the mirror.
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I should note that to me personally, having a dere side doesn't legitimize or justify Kirino's actions. I'm just trying to guess at how Kyouske feels about the whole thng. And in the end we're really all just guessing based on what we've seen.
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