2009-08-18, 16:56 | Link #1843 | |
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Also, the killer of K1 in Watanagashi was the true Mion, since Shion and her swapped in the ceremony, so the roles we see are their original roles so I can say in red Shion had nothing to do with the killings, the killer,as seen in Watanagashi, was Mion, but no that Mion, it was the original |
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2009-08-18, 18:11 | Link #1845 | |
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Second, I don't see why you are having such a hard time with "misinterperation". Sure, disguises might be limited by rule #10, but misinterperation is not. Third, you can't even name "true" Mion in Watanagashi-hen. Their past is only shown in Meakashi-hen, and that's why I used that analogy. Just becuase you see Mion stabbed Keiichi, doesn't mean Mion really stabbed keiichi. This is the same argument of "just becuase Eva shot Battler, doesn't mean Eva really shot Battler." (as argued by the "Meta-Battler resigning results in real life battler being able to see fantasy scenes theory") Again, I was using that as an analogy to show that "just becuase we see two entities, doesn't mean there's really two entities." (I really want to drop this point becuase it's not related, and probably a bad analogy to use in the first place) Lastly, try not to use red text unless you are quoting existing red text.
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2009-08-19, 09:21 | Link #1846 |
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About how reliable is Erika's point of view... I've just noticed that Battler actually attempted to claim that the gold that this piece battle found with Erika was merely a fantasy, and then had that negated with red.
So... Battler really doesn't seem to take the idea that Erika's point of view is an infallible truth. Considering that, should everyone really assume that she really replaced episode 1-4 Battler just because she's a "detective"? I don't think ep 1-4 Battler even was described like that at any point previously. |
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And no, Erika really take a role that doesn't influence Beato's game, therefore, it should not affect Battler's role from ep1-4. This is the reason why Ep5 isn't a Ep1 with an extra character, but something totally different.
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2009-08-19, 09:51 | Link #1848 | ||
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People are saying that there couldn't be any fantasy elements in scenes with Erika, even if the scenes aren't from her perspective, due to the way Piece Battler's presence worked in previous episodes. Didn't Battler ask if the gold was real or just a fake/fantasy? If Erika's presence stopped every fantasy element, that question wouldn't have been necessary. Quote:
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2009-08-19, 10:03 | Link #1849 | ||
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He doubted about the gold, since only Eva and Rosa found it, so since only 2 persons claimed it, it isn't at 100% the truth and can be the doing of the Fantasy Side. However, he clearly put himself between quote, saying he opened the cat box. And Lambda just confirmed. At this point, Battler was still thinking his perspective was reliable enough, even though he was certain that the Kinzo he saw was definitely something wrong. Quote:
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2009-08-19, 10:10 | Link #1850 | |
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Erika is the first detective-like "piece". |
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2009-08-19, 10:10 | Link #1851 |
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The fact of the matter is that Knox's rules were only introduced in Ep5 so they are not exactly confirmed to be retroactively applicable to 1-4. Even then unlike Erika's confirmation in red as the detective in Ep5, we have no guarantee Battler is playing the same role in Ep1-4.
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2009-08-19, 10:15 | Link #1852 | ||
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Furthermore, you don't need to make accusation to start figuring about the truth, and by this extension, taking the role of the detective. Piece Battler was almost the only one who was actually trying to figure what was going on in all episodes, even if he couldn't have the same privilege as Erika. Quote:
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2009-08-19, 21:26 | Link #1856 |
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Marathoning through this thread is about as bad as marathoning the series itself!
Though experience with a certain 30,000 page thread of Asuki has steeled me for this battle. I have a few points to raise, but I need to clarify something first, in case I missed it: Is present time being 1986 ever mentioned in red? A little off-topic, but a funny thought: Since the definition of a species is whether one can reproduce with another, the most screw-up (lol) way to test if witches are not human would be for Battler and Beato/Vigil/Chibeat/whoever else you like to get it on in between board games, and see if the witches get pregnant. They got all infinity to wait for result anyway. No contraceptives or measures against barrier to insemination must be undertaken during this mini-game.
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2009-08-20, 03:23 | Link #1857 |
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I vaugely remember Beatrice or someone proclaiming in red or otherwise stating (reliably, not as a trick or anything) that the game takes place during those 2 days in 1986 and ends after the 5th of October. If you're getting this idea from a certian other game, I don't see how it would work anyways since everyone dies...
Also becuase I couldn't put this in the anime discussion threads (only an EP4 spoiler, but has nothing to do with the current discussion) Spoiler:
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2009-08-20, 03:34 | Link #1858 |
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I personally thinks it was definitely Rosa.
The thing is that Rosa is unable to actually control her emotions and always blame OTHERS instead herself or the right person. Of course, there is nothing that can confirm if everything shown in Ep4 is 100% trustworthy, but if we start the premises of this, and how Rosa was shown "trigger happy" in all Episodes, it is very likely that Rosa was really unable to love Maria and blamed her for being unable to get happiness.
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2009-08-20, 05:28 | Link #1859 |
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Rosa demonstrates the clinical traits of bipolar syndrome though... so I'm not so sure if I could blame her completely just yet...
On Present Time in Red: If it is mentioned like that, then it might just only refer to the game having occurred in 1986, but not the meta-world, which doesn't strangle my little theory. But I don't recall any red regarding present time though, so... does anyone else have a clue? Sorry, just want to get my facts right before I shoot my mouth off something silly.
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