2013-09-06, 18:07 | Link #24481 | |
150% done
Join Date: Feb 2012
|
Quote:
He groped her, yes. Which is significantly less than what most of the girls have done to Tsukune, incidentally. And in case you didn't notice, in Rosa Vamp the villains had all of the good guys completely cornered and defenseless and walked away because they weren't a threat. When said people included a Dark King. Fairy Tale has done nothing to hunt them down despite being repeatedly disrupted by them, and basically allowed them to waltz onto their main base unmolested. And the people in Negima weren't attacked because Fate screwed up. He didn't see Negi as a threat, and by the time he started to become one, Rakan was with him. After that Fate had to wait till he could use the Code of the Lifemaker to confront him.
__________________
|
|
2013-09-06, 23:40 | Link #24484 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Poland
Age: 38
|
Quote:
I'm just saying that it will mostly have a negative effect on his transformation, rather then a positive one, and this development won't help him in gaining control, over his powers. Since, generally speaking Tsukune's emotions / desires have had a negative influence on the state of his transformation, rather then the opposite. After all: - In the first season Tsukune's desire to gain the power to protect Moka have caused him to transform into his berserk (Ghoul) state for the first time, and if Mikogami and Ruby hadn't appeared on the scene, he would have been killed. - During the confrontation against Hokuto, Tsukune's desire to save the kidnapped Moka have caused him to reach the limit of power that he was capable of controlling, and if Inner Moka hadn't appeared at that time, he would have transformed into his berserk state. - During the doppelganger incident, in the second season Tsukune's desire to protect Moka have reawakened his powers, and due to the fact that he hasn't been using them for a quite long period of time, they started to go out of control, requiring Ruby's and Yukari's aid to suppress them. - During Tohou Fuhai's ritual the emotions and desire to save Moka have unleashed Tsukune's changed berserk form, requiring Kurumu's aid to prevent Tsukune from being killed by Tohou Fuhai. - Finally during the current arc ... Tsukune's desire to save Moka from the Black Parade monster's have worsened the negative symptoms of using his powers in the presence of Alucard, which is something that hasn't been fully resolved yet. Of course there had been a few moments where Tsukune's emotions / desires have had a positive effect on his transformation, but generally speaking, there have been a lot more situations where it caused Tsukune's situation to get worse ... especially when Moka has been the person who generated this particular emotion / desire. Last edited by Chris38; 2013-09-07 at 02:01. |
|
2013-09-07, 04:34 | Link #24485 |
Itadaki-nyaaa !!
Join Date: Apr 2008
|
I just don't see the need for him to control this form plot-wise if it gets the job of kiling Alucard done. Afterwards there are enough possibilities that can pull him back just like Kurumu did before. Just because a situation seems dire doesn't mean Ikeda cannot solve it in a very simple way or use a similar device he used earlier and change it a little. Tsukune getting into an uncontrolable ghoul state again might be in fact an opportunity for Ikeda to add some temporary drama, not a sign of necessity for Tsukune to control it.
Again, I think there's a lot of hype going around Tsukune's shinso state from the training arc that may not be justified. |
2013-09-07, 07:50 | Link #24486 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
|
Don't know why you would think that would solve anything. He would just end up a liability. Alucard is a shinso with countless monsters augmenting his strength; the only area they even have an advantage in is that they aren't mindless, and you want him to throw that away and somehow kick Alucard's ass pretty much by himself? Give me a break.
Plus Tsukune can't afford to keep going berserk. His lock's durability isn't infinite, and its almost broken as is. Alucard's presence isn't helping any. |
2013-09-07, 22:54 | Link #24494 |
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Poland
Age: 38
|
Alucard's body parts ... like his tentacles can be destroyed by Akasha, but his main body ... which is what @bludvein was talking about can't, since Akasha, on her own, isn't powerful enough to throughly destroy it ... which, makes @bludvein's statement in his post correct.
|
2013-09-08, 01:51 | Link #24495 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2011
|
Quote:
|
|
2013-09-08, 04:18 | Link #24496 | |
Itadaki-nyaaa !!
Join Date: Apr 2008
|
Quote:
And again, why exactly would he need to control this power plot-wise? Maybe he will never be able to control it, it may turn out to be as much of a battle asset as it is a danger to himself and the allies around him. For the plot, all he needs is to unleash his full potential (here: through emotions) and go on a rampage, finish Alucard and then go on to attack allies/civilians to create some drama until something/someone barely manages to pull him back. This ofc is just speculation as well but it's entirely feasible. As to whether the series would end with the death of Alucard, I already presented a possible follow-up arc in the form of a then incited human-ayashi conflict, which would be much more character-driven than just fighting against a strong foe. I really don't get why some of you desperately cling to the alleged necessity for Tsukune to go all out shounen SSJ1-2-3 mode as if it was the undeniable truth. |
|
2013-09-08, 04:50 | Link #24497 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
|
Quote:
Even more relevantly, you aren't listening. Tsukune can't afford to go berserk any more. There would be no return to sanity unless he can control it. His lock is about busted already. So if you want a plot reason there is that and more. |
|
2013-09-08, 06:22 | Link #24498 |
Itadaki-nyaaa !!
Join Date: Apr 2008
|
^
Oh my, you're really swallowing everything an author throws at you without question. Tsukune hase been in dire situations with his condition before; Moka almost had to kill him when he turned into a ghoul in S1 but abra kadabra deus ex Mikogami appears and transforms him back to normal. What prevents Ikeda from doing something similar? He can always come up with something, even if it might not be too crafty. The only reason why a rampaging Tsukune would be better than Alucard from a reader's perspective is simply that the former doesn't have any ill intent and can possibly be stopped with no or minumum violence. And where do you guys get these power levels from to begin with? Yes, Alucard is freaking strong but please give me a source that states that he is x times stronger than Tsukune's berserk form. Was there someone with a scouter who analyzed it to be over 9000 that I missed? My point is, it's all just asssumptions. Mine as well as yours, |
2013-09-08, 06:34 | Link #24499 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Under the 7 seas
|
Even if Alucard is beaten its not like he wouldn't reappear. He could have clearly set up back up plans for him to reappear in the form of more clone bodys or in a new body that wouldn't be tied down to his main body. Like them eggs. Could be his children that he made so if he dies he could be incarnated in one of them. Or his children could have the same plans as their father and would want to destory the world them selfs but one of them will fall for Tsukune and betreay them thus ensuring a fights to come.
|
2013-09-08, 06:47 | Link #24500 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2012
|
Quote:
...and no, there aren't any set power levels, just common sense. On one hand we have an uber skyscraper-sized monster with 1000s of monsters absorbed adding to its power, and on the other we have a maybe-sorta shinso in the form of Tsukune. No points for guessing who would win. Why you would think Tsukune would win alone when all 3 of the dark lords working together couldn't does not make any sense, and they were facing a weaker version! Not to mention pretty much the entire second season has had a major focus on Tsukune getting his power under control, and you think this going to get ignored...why? |
|
Tags |
action, comedy, ecchi, harem, monogamy, romance, shounen, supernatural, tsumoka romance, vampire |
|
|