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orion · 2007-05-25, 07:30

It's not official. Let's not go there again.

Lost · 2007-05-25, 07:45

Kamina's death scene was so fitting. So completely fitting in the way he went off with that smile on his face, the silence and abstractness of the scene, with only Simon's surprised questioning voice, conveying aptly the shock of it all.

To be honest, though, I feel that Kamina wasn't given a proper send-off; anime-wise. So much more could have been done with that scene in the rain, which was awesome in itself, but which was just too short. Sure he went out with an grand bang (GIGADRILLBREAKER was some crazy-shit), but more time should have been spent developing the grief of the other characters, and the atmosphere itself (like that scene of Lagann in the rain, with water, symbolic tears, running down its face). Basically, it felt rushed. IMO it should have been lingering, which I feel would be rather more apt, considering that Kamina is the... is the... well, it would be an understatement to say that he was a main character. For that reason, I'm sadly not entirely satisfied with the end of this episode.

That said, well, it's really sad that Kamina seems to be gone for good. Thus far, all this way from episode 1, he was the driving force behind everything. He epitomises the show, for he is the show. I'm not too sure everything will be the same without him. It is as Simon says : We all lost something irreplaceable.

Farewell, Kamina.

Tangowr · 2007-05-25, 12:15

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Originally Posted by Krazy8s

Well, toss me into the corner with the ones that are happy Kamina is dead (and hopefully stays dead

). I couldn't have been the only one who was annoyed by him getting all the spotlight and being too much of a perfect character; so much I couldn't see him having any character development at all. Well, besides dying and helping Simon mature into a spitting image of himself one day.

oh... and the fact that he hogged the lovely Yoko all to himself! That swine! Damn him...

Heres looking to the episode where Simon shines bright as a mature badass Kamina-like and hopefully with Yoko by his side

Sinta · 2007-05-25, 12:17

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Originally Posted by Tangowr

Kamina is the few person beside Yoko and mechanic that see's Simon for what he is.
It's everyone else that see's Kamina as someone great, even Simon.
Kamina showed his ability to fight hand to hand in his first fight with Viral.
And in Episode 8 he fought Viral in Gurren and was holding his own/winning.
And all the other fight, except the last part of ep.7 was Kamina piloting.
Simon only showed his fighting style in the last part of ep.7, before that he was just the battery for Gurren Lagann.
If the attention isn't focused on Kamina, the enemy would know Simon is the key and target him first, and the serie would be much shorter.
And for the attention not focus on Simon, it's not Kamina's fault, it's the other people not choosing to acknowledge Simon.
Yoko didn't misleed Simon, she treated him like a little brother, it's himself that thought too much into it.

The only thing I have to say here is, does your sister you let you lay all over her breasts and just simle? I think not.

Lost · 2007-05-25, 12:29

^ Eh... that's not a fair comparison. This is Yoko we are talking about. It's within her nature to do such things. Yes, Simon would be likely to misconstrue those actions. But she didn't do it purposely for him to misinterpret them; she probably isn't at all aware of their effects on him.

Her heart remains for Kamina, and hopefully, always will.

quina · 2007-05-25, 13:22

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The only thing I have to say here is, does your sister you let you lay all over her breasts and just simle? I think not.

I took bath with my sis when I was a lot younger :\.
well, some girls are ok taking bath with a younger boy. No sexual related stuffs, just not a candidate for love interest. Yoko sees shimon in that light I guess.
To me she is very similar to Misato in Eva. Big sis for shinji.

orion · 2007-05-25, 14:59

But....

Spoiler for EVA:

Yeah, I agree that Yoko thought of Simon as a little brother and that Simon led himself on.

Maids! Maids! Maids! · 2007-05-26, 00:05

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Originally Posted by quina

I took bath with my sis when I was a lot younger :\.
well, some girls are ok taking bath with a younger boy. No sexual related stuffs, just not a candidate for love interest. Yoko sees shimon in that light I guess.
To me she is very similar to Misato in Eva. Big sis for shinji.

There's a lot of truth in this. Simon goes crashing into the Valley of Yoko, and she give him a smile and a look of maternal benevolence. Kamina lifts her robe, and she's wearing the exact same outfit he sees her in everyday underneath, and she throws a fit.

Darknemo2000 · 2007-05-26, 07:26

If yoko's relationship would turn out similar as Misato's in agood way.That is having some tension as Misato never suceeded to be Shinji's other/sister because she had , among other things, physical attraction to him.

I would like to see some tensed moments happen between Yoko and Simon, and I surely as hell hope that Yoko wont be mourning over Kamina's death too long. Their relationship never seemed that deep to begin with. (given that kamina is not thedeepest person as well).

I really dont want to see another clishe thrown inlike Yokko becoming a sister only figure and Nia a love interest. Throw some twists in the realtaionship for christs sake. We ahve some interesting characters in Gurren, but their realtionships are portrayed so simple and plain like for 5-7 year olds. I would like Gainax to do something more about it, even if its not character-strong anime to begin with.

Anh_Minh · 2007-05-26, 07:37

Kamina aside, why wouldn't Yoko be only a big sister figure? Why would she need a relationship with someone other than Kamina?

People exist outside of who they're going out with, after all.

Trax · 2007-05-26, 08:10

Haven't seen the episode yet since I don't follow the Nyoro subs (tried the first ep, but my laptop couldn't handle it for some reason, choppy and out of sync) so I've watched the AiA/IZ subs instead and caught up to episode 7 in the past few days.

Spoiled myself a bit by looking around in this thread... Didn't expect Kamina to die so soon, but then again it's not that surprising, there were some hints in the 7th episode that his recklessness would be the death of him sooner or later. Personally I didn't care for Kamina that much, although he was the driving force in a way, I also found him annoying and irrational, too full of himself and an attention whore. Still, I suppose I'll miss seeing him around. I did love it when he remodelled Gurren with his type of shades, that was hilarious.

Yoko and Simon don't really match imo, but I can see how a guy like him would misinterpret some 'big sis' type kindness. And eventhough anime aging frequently is ridicilous, I just can't see her as 14 and fortunately it isn't official. I wouldn't rule out something in the future though, when he has grown up a little more.

Anyway, can't wait to see the episode from all the comments, I might try out the Nyoro sub again but if it has the same problems for me I'll just have to wait for another sub to come out.

Lost · 2007-05-26, 09:57

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Originally Posted by orion

...and that Simon led himself on.

Which was only natural. (agree with your post)

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Originally Posted by Trax

I did love it when he remodelled Gurren with his type of shades, that was hilarious.

Heh for awhile I didn't even notice their sudden appearance on Gurren, maybe that show's how integral to the show he was.

Takeo · 2007-05-26, 10:40

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Originally Posted by Lost

Which was only natural. (agree with your post)

Especially if you remember how the girls in his village treated him - "he's kind of gross"..."he smells too" - it's not that hard to see why he'd latch onto some friendly moments with Yoko. I'd be disappointed, though, if the two of them didn't at least develop a relationship similar to what Simon had with Kamina ("big sis" as some of you mentioned).

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Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

Why would she need a relationship with someone other than Kamina?

She wouldn't if Kamina had survived...not much of a choice now, though

Lost · 2007-05-26, 11:21

Heh Yoko is now a widowed Reverend Mother.

Guido · 2007-05-26, 15:00

Hail to the Gurren-Lagann King.

I am absolutely casting my vote on this episode as the best of the overall season. Kamina made his exit with a bursting, blazing performance for his last.

The animation and coloring to me were suitable for the event, as if the grayness of the sky already had foretold Kamina's sealed destiny. And, I am not forgetting that were other signs as well that hinted the last of Kamina.

Spoiler:

The special effects and visual animation quality were beyond top-notch. They balanced well the environment to deliver a raging war full of the scent of death roaming by.
I particularly loved Gurren-Lagann shots when it destroyed the Byakko with the Giga Drill Breaker, because the animation on those frames felt 80's quality and I am such a nostalgic and sentimental guys when it comes to 80's shows.

Bye, Lord Kamina. What are Yoko and Simon going to fill the void if you departed with the glory of a King?

orion · 2007-05-26, 16:43

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Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

I really dont want to see another clishe thrown inlike Yokko becoming a sister only figure and Nia a love interest. Throw some twists in the realtaionship for christs sake. We ahve some interesting characters in Gurren, but their realtionships are portrayed so simple and plain like for 5-7 year olds. I would like Gainax to do something more about it, even if its not character-strong anime to begin with.

Well, this is being broadcasted in a "simple relationship" timeslot. To me, this show is meant to be fun without a lot of brain cell usage.

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Originally Posted by Takeo

She wouldn't if Kamina had survived...not much of a choice now, though

What about Kittan? Or character that hasn't been introduced yet?

Takeo · 2007-05-26, 17:10

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Originally Posted by orion

What about Kittan? Or character that hasn't been introduced yet?

I meant she doesn't have a choice about being in a relationship with someone other than Kamina...not that she doesn't have other choices besides Kamina (Kittan? lol...I'd actually prefer Simon over him).

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Originally Posted by Guido

Yoko to me was the most devastated, since she acknowledge that she loved him and he corresponded her. He promised to be back to give her 10x better than the kiss, but he now would not be able to fullfill that promise.

Have to respectfully disagree. Yoko will be hurting, no doubt, but she's been with Kamina and Simon for what, maybe a couple of weeks? Simon and Kamina grew up in the same village. Kamina was pretty much all Simon had since his parents died, right? I gotta think he'd be the one hit hardest by the loss.

Thefear · 2007-05-28, 05:51

They need to find the dragon balls and bring Kamina back to life. NOW@!

Kouvley · 2007-05-28, 22:14

Epic manly tears were shed for this episode.

Will be interesting to see how things develop without the main driving force behind the story so far.

JediNight · 2007-05-29, 08:41

Wow .... just ...wow. With how invincible they were up to this point with all the crazy deus ex machina junk, I never expected this to happen. Especially after he seemingly already comes back from the dead towards the end there for the final combine. Looks like he gets Yoko by default now >.>

And looking back at the Prologue bit to Ep1, it has to be an older Simon captaining the Dairangan or whatever in space there. Especially since he still has the drill-key thing. Very Kamina-esque hehe.

But yes, I'm worried as well where they will go from here. Kamina WAS the show so far. I did not expect them to cut the guts out of the show at only Ep8...

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2007-05-25, 07:30	Link #241
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	It's not official. Let's not go there again. __________________

2007-05-25, 14:59	Link #247
orion Waiting for more taiyuki! Join Date: Jan 2004	But.... Spoiler for EVA: Misato gave Shinji a big wet one and promised more when he got back. Yeah, I agree that Yoko thought of Simon as a little brother and that Simon led himself on. __________________

2007-05-26, 15:00	Link #255
Guido Snobby Gentleman Join Date: May 2004 Location: Monterrey, México Age: 43	Farewell, My Friends Hail to the Gurren-Lagann King. I am absolutely casting my vote on this episode as the best of the overall season. Kamina made his exit with a bursting, blazing performance for his last. The animation and coloring to me were suitable for the event, as if the grayness of the sky already had foretold Kamina's sealed destiny. And, I am not forgetting that were other signs as well that hinted the last of Kamina. Spoiler: The most poignant was Yoko no longer holding up her feelings and had unexpectedly gave Kamina a gentle kiss when he least expected. Fortunately, Kamina did get her message and replied her back with a passionate kiss. I feel devastated for his loss, because Kamina was the flame which kept the team burning with resolve and to keep encouraging them to push beyond their limits for whatever goals their hearts have settled. Yoko to me was the most devastated, since she acknowledge that she loved him and he corresponded her. He promised to be back to give her 10x better than the kiss, but he now would not be able to fullfill that promise. The special effects and visual animation quality were beyond top-notch. They balanced well the environment to deliver a raging war full of the scent of death roaming by. I particularly loved Gurren-Lagann shots when it destroyed the Byakko with the Giga Drill Breaker, because the animation on those frames felt 80's quality and I am such a nostalgic and sentimental guys when it comes to 80's shows. Bye, Lord Kamina. What are Yoko and Simon going to fill the void if you departed with the glory of a King?

2007-05-25, 07:45	Link #242
Lost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Kamina's death scene was so fitting. So completely fitting in the way he went off with that smile on his face, the silence and abstractness of the scene, with only Simon's surprised questioning voice, conveying aptly the shock of it all. To be honest, though, I feel that Kamina wasn't given a proper send-off; anime-wise. So much more could have been done with that scene in the rain, which was awesome in itself, but which was just too short. Sure he went out with an grand bang (GIGADRILLBREAKER was some crazy-shit), but more time should have been spent developing the grief of the other characters, and the atmosphere itself (like that scene of Lagann in the rain, with water, symbolic tears, running down its face). Basically, it felt rushed. IMO it should have been lingering, which I feel would be rather more apt, considering that Kamina is the... is the... well, it would be an understatement to say that he was a main character. For that reason, I'm sadly not entirely satisfied with the end of this episode. That said, well, it's really sad that Kamina seems to be gone for good. Thus far, all this way from episode 1, he was the driving force behind everything. He epitomises the show, for he is the show. I'm not too sure everything will be the same without him. It is as Simon says : We all lost something irreplaceable. Farewell, Kamina.

2007-05-25, 12:29	Link #245
Lost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	^ Eh... that's not a fair comparison. This is Yoko we are talking about. It's within her nature to do such things. Yes, Simon would be likely to misconstrue those actions. But she didn't do it purposely for him to misinterpret them; she probably isn't at all aware of their effects on him. Her heart remains for Kamina, and hopefully, always will.

2007-05-26, 07:26	Link #249
Darknemo2000 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Lithuania Age: 39	If yoko's relationship would turn out similar as Misato's in agood way.That is having some tension as Misato never suceeded to be Shinji's other/sister because she had , among other things, physical attraction to him. I would like to see some tensed moments happen between Yoko and Simon, and I surely as hell hope that Yoko wont be mourning over Kamina's death too long. Their relationship never seemed that deep to begin with. (given that kamina is not thedeepest person as well). I really dont want to see another clishe thrown inlike Yokko becoming a sister only figure and Nia a love interest. Throw some twists in the realtaionship for christs sake. We ahve some interesting characters in Gurren, but their realtionships are portrayed so simple and plain like for 5-7 year olds. I would like Gainax to do something more about it, even if its not character-strong anime to begin with.

2007-05-26, 07:37	Link #250
Anh_Minh I disagree with you all. Join Date: Dec 2005	Kamina aside, why wouldn't Yoko be only a big sister figure? Why would she need a relationship with someone other than Kamina? People exist outside of who they're going out with, after all.

2007-05-26, 08:10	Link #251
Trax Rock beats scissors Join Date: Jul 2004	Haven't seen the episode yet since I don't follow the Nyoro subs (tried the first ep, but my laptop couldn't handle it for some reason, choppy and out of sync) so I've watched the AiA/IZ subs instead and caught up to episode 7 in the past few days. Spoiled myself a bit by looking around in this thread... Didn't expect Kamina to die so soon, but then again it's not that surprising, there were some hints in the 7th episode that his recklessness would be the death of him sooner or later. Personally I didn't care for Kamina that much, although he was the driving force in a way, I also found him annoying and irrational, too full of himself and an attention whore. Still, I suppose I'll miss seeing him around. I did love it when he remodelled Gurren with his type of shades, that was hilarious. Yoko and Simon don't really match imo, but I can see how a guy like him would misinterpret some 'big sis' type kindness. And eventhough anime aging frequently is ridicilous, I just can't see her as 14 and fortunately it isn't official. I wouldn't rule out something in the future though, when he has grown up a little more. Anyway, can't wait to see the episode from all the comments, I might try out the Nyoro sub again but if it has the same problems for me I'll just have to wait for another sub to come out.

2007-05-26, 11:21	Link #254
Lost Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006	Heh Yoko is now a widowed Reverend Mother.

2007-05-28, 05:51	Link #258
Thefear Just an... Join Date: Oct 2006 Age: 37	They need to find the dragon balls and bring Kamina back to life. NOW@!

2007-05-28, 22:14	Link #259
Kouvley Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: UK, London	Epic manly tears were shed for this episode. Will be interesting to see how things develop without the main driving force behind the story so far.

2007-05-29, 08:41	Link #260
JediNight キズランダム Join Date: Apr 2003	Wow .... just ...wow. With how invincible they were up to this point with all the crazy deus ex machina junk, I never expected this to happen. Especially after he seemingly already comes back from the dead towards the end there for the final combine. Looks like he gets Yoko by default now >.> And looking back at the Prologue bit to Ep1, it has to be an older Simon captaining the Dairangan or whatever in space there. Especially since he still has the drill-key thing. Very Kamina-esque hehe. But yes, I'm worried as well where they will go from here. Kamina WAS the show so far. I did not expect them to cut the guts out of the show at only Ep8...