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Gearhead · 2012-10-06, 13:43

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

I assume this is some sort of novel comparison that needs to be in a spoiler tag? But that aside, could you actually explain what the "stupid mistake" is (behind properly-labelled spoiler tags) rather than referring to it, so that people can understand and decide if it's a big deal or not?

It's probably fairly obvious in context but:

Spoiler for From the episode:

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-10-06, 14:12

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Originally Posted by Gearhead

It's probably fairly obvious in context but:

Spoiler for From the episode:

Ahhh... so it's an Engrish issue.

It should say "Immortal Object Status Change" and turn red to indicate it turned off. (I think that's what the red color was supposed to mean -- like "Change to be no longer immortal")

Deltaray · 2012-10-06, 14:15

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Ahhh... so it's an Engrish issue.

It should say "Immortal Object Status Change" and turn red to indicate it turned off. (I think that's what the red color was supposed to mean -- like "Change to be no longer immortal")

Yeah it was supposed to be "change into mortal object", but for some reason he changed from immortal object to immortal object lol.

Kazu-kun · 2012-10-06, 14:16

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Originally Posted by Gearhead

It's probably fairly obvious in context but:

Spoiler for From the episode:

What are you talking about? The "changed into an IMMORTAL object" sign refers to Asuna, not Heathcliff. Kirito asked Heathcliff to do that to Asuna, probably because he wanted to prevent her killing herself if he didn't make it alive. At least that's what I got from that scene.

Deltaray · 2012-10-06, 14:17

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

What are you talking about? The "changed into an IMMORTAL object" sign refers to Asuna, not Heathcliff.

But it cant refer to Asuna because she gets 1 shot by Heathcliff.

Kazu-kun · 2012-10-06, 14:21

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Originally Posted by Deltaray

But it cant refer to Asuna because she gets 1 shot by Heathcliff.

It refers to Asuna. I don't know why Heathcliff's sword was able to kill her but I think Heathcliff explains what happened. Sorry with my limited Japanese I didn't get what he said at that moment. Let's wait for the subs.

Ray · 2012-10-06, 14:23

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Originally Posted by Deltaray

But it cant refer to Asuna because she gets 1 shot by Heathcliff.

But.. what if an "Immortal Object' can hurt another "Immortal Object"?

I thought he turned Kirito into an immortal object..

Kazu-kun · 2012-10-06, 14:25

It was Asuna. I'm pretty sure about that, at the very least.

Shaggeh · 2012-10-06, 14:27

No it was Heathcliff turning off his immortal status, I noticed the mistake myself. It should of stated "Changing from immortal object", Or "Changing into Mortal Object", Or "Immortal off" or something else along those lines. I didn't really let it bug me though.

Over all though I really enjoyed the episode, Bye SAO will miss you!, but at the same time looking forward to the next arc

Edit: The best way to look at it though now, would be like what relentlessflame said. You'll have to look at "Change into immortal object" as like a check box on a GM menu an option of sorts. The red would indicate turning that option off.

He didn't do anything to Asuna at the time didn't think he would have to yet, she wasn't supposed to be able to move at all was under the Paralyzed status along with everyone else in the room except him and Kirito.

Ray · 2012-10-06, 14:34

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

It was Asuna. I'm pretty sure about that, at the very least.

After watching the scene again, yeah, I think you're right. Although the message appeared in front of Heathcliff, it was after Kirito asked him to prevent her from doing anything to herself.

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-10-06, 14:34

Just finished watching the episode.

Spoiler for Episode 14:

That ending... whoa. Waking from that hospital bed with only one thing on his mind: Asuna. The way they conveyed that was really, really powerful to me. The entire ED with him walking slowly down the hallway clutching the IV -- really, really powerful ending. And then with the next episode title of "return"... the story isn't over yet. Indeed, as I said earlier, this isn't a story about clearing the game. It's a story about Kirito and Asuna. Since both Kirito and Asuna were congratulated for clearing the game, and he's alive, that means she is too. Time to find her.

Spoiler for Comparison to Accel World:

Kirito's "last moment" in the game was played a bit "trickily" in the anime. At first you think he just disappears, but then they do the effect and you understand that that was just his imagination of how he'd die, and that he hasn't actually disappeared yet. I'm not exactly sure what it was supposed to mean that Kayaba was suprised that Kirito was still able to move Asuna's sword in his "pre-disappearance" state... Kirito was somehow holding his existance in the world?

I think Kayaba's comment after Asuna sacrificed herself -- like "I didn't program it that way... I guess these things happen..." was obviously a ruse. I think Kayaba wanted to give himself a dramatic ending (just like he had planned the "story" all along), hence he caused Asuna's paralysis to be able to wear off. His total lack of emotion during the whole thing is of course fitting the one responsible for this mess in the first place

Anyway, other than all that... a lot of outstanding plot threads were closed this week as well. We get a clear explanation of why Kirito got the dual wield ability, which also points to his sort of "destiny" (appointed by Kayaba) as a hero in the game. And they also clear up some loose ends with Egil and Klein, and of course provide some explanation about why this whole world was setup in the first place. And also, Heathcliff's revelation as an "Immortal Object" tied back perfectly to the revelation in Episode 12, so again a case of every previous story contributing something to the on-going plot.

All in all, I'm quite satisfied with this episode and the whole arc. I think that it will hold up very well on a rewatch, because there are so many little details exposed early on that come back to be important later. In that sense, I can appreciate some of the frustration the novel readers must have had watching anime viewers try to figure it out each week, because things seem so obvious in retrospect (but didn't seem at all clear at the time).

Anyway, I think I will watch again and see what other details I missed.

Deltaray · 2012-10-06, 14:37

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Just finished watching the episode.

Spoiler for Episode 14:

Actually I would say that element carried from here over there.

Alucard24 · 2012-10-06, 14:39

Kirito's body didn't move an inch for more than two years, how the hell can he walk like that ??

And what happened to the "killer helmet" thing ? Did Kirito received a special favor for completing the game ?

Deltaray · 2012-10-06, 14:41

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Originally Posted by Alucard24

Kirito's body didn't move an inch for more than two years, how the hell can he walk like that ??

And what happened to the "killer helmet" thing ? Did Kirito received a special favor for completing the game ?

This is just speculation, but I suppose that they stimulated his muscles with electrodes. sure, they would still shrink, like we saw.

What I'm more concerned about is that, does hair grow when you are in coma like state.

Utsuro no Hako · 2012-10-06, 14:41

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Originally Posted by Aphrah

After watching the scene again, yeah, I think you're right. Although the message appeared in front of Heathcliff, it was after Kirito asked him to prevent her from doing anything to herself.

Huh, I went the other way around -- when I watched the raw, I figured Kayaba was switching Asuna to an immortal object, but with the subs it seemed like he was changing his own status. Either way it doesn't make a lot of sense.

Shaggeh · 2012-10-06, 14:42

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Originally Posted by Alucard24

Kirito's body didn't move an inch for more than two years, how the hell can he walk like that ??

And what happened to the "killer helmet" thing ? Did Kirito received a special favor for completing the game ?

To put it simply yes, it seems so.

As for how he moved not sure on that myself but at least he had some very visible effects from being in a coma state for so long.
Chalk it up to future medical technology keeping his muscles in a better state then they should be in maybe?

Krono · 2012-10-06, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Alucard24

Kirito's body didn't move an inch for more than two years, how the hell can he walk like that ??

And what happened to the "killer helmet" thing ? Did Kirito received a special favor for completing the game ?

Yep. Kirito's reward for clearing the game, he and Asuna get counted among the players that cleared the game and get to live and return to the real world.

Ray · 2012-10-06, 14:43

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Originally Posted by Alucard24

Kirito's body didn't move an inch for more than two years, how the hell can he walk like that ??

I thought people forget how to walk (as opposed to, say, growing weak)? Meaning, if he was using his brain to move in SAO, he still remembers how to do so in real life. As for his body being weak, well, he seemed like he may collapse at any given moment to me..

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And what happened to the "killer helmet" thing ? Did Kirito received a special favor for completing the game ?

The game ended. No more killer helmets. It's the same for everybody as the game was cleared.

Kazu-kun · 2012-10-06, 14:44

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Originally Posted by Alucard24

And what happened to the "killer helmet" thing ? Did Kirito received a special favor for completing the game ?

After a character dies inside SAO, it takes 10 seconds for the helmet to fry your brain.

I suppose the story asks you to believe Kirito managed to kill Kayaba (and clear the game) within 10 seconds after Asuna dies. That's why both of them survive. This doesn't come across properly in the anime of course, but yeah...

Gearhead · 2012-10-06, 14:46

Well, it has been said that when your heart is racing, time seems to slow down...

View Poll Results: Critique of Episode 14
10 out of 10: Near Perfect...	103	45.98%
9 out of 10 : Excellent...	58	25.89%
8 out of 10 : Very Good...	19	8.48%
7 out of 10 : Good...	16	7.14%
6 out of 10 : Average...	10	4.46%
5 out of 10 : Below Average...	1	0.45%
4 out of 10 : Poor...	5	2.23%
3 out of 10 : Bad...	3	1.34%
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1 out of 10 : Tortuous...	8	3.57%
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2012-10-06, 14:25	Link #48
Kazu-kun Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006	It was Asuna. I'm pretty sure about that, at the very least. __________________

2012-10-06, 14:27	Link #49
Shaggeh Junior Member Join Date: May 2006	No it was Heathcliff turning off his immortal status, I noticed the mistake myself. It should of stated "Changing from immortal object", Or "Changing into Mortal Object", Or "Immortal off" or something else along those lines. I didn't really let it bug me though. Over all though I really enjoyed the episode, Bye SAO will miss you!, but at the same time looking forward to the next arc Edit: The best way to look at it though now, would be like what relentlessflame said. You'll have to look at "Change into immortal object" as like a check box on a GM menu an option of sorts. The red would indicate turning that option off. He didn't do anything to Asuna at the time didn't think he would have to yet, she wasn't supposed to be able to move at all was under the Paralyzed status along with everyone else in the room except him and Kirito. __________________

2012-10-06, 14:34	Link #51
*relentlessflame* 　 Administrator Join Date: Dec 2003 Age: 41	Just finished watching the episode. Spoiler for Episode 14: That ending... whoa. Waking from that hospital bed with only one thing on his mind: Asuna. The way they conveyed that was really, really powerful to me. The entire ED with him walking slowly down the hallway clutching the IV -- really, really powerful ending. And then with the next episode title of "return"... the story isn't over yet. Indeed, as I said earlier, this isn't a story about clearing the game. It's a story about Kirito and Asuna. Since both Kirito and Asuna were congratulated for clearing the game, and he's alive, that means she is too. Time to find her. Spoiler for Comparison to Accel World: I thought it was interesting at the end that they got to meet Kayaba as a sort of prize for beating the game. This reminds me a lot of how the "prize" for reaching Level 10 in Accel World is also being able to meet the creator and ask him questions. Interesting that this element carried over here. Kirito's "last moment" in the game was played a bit "trickily" in the anime. At first you think he just disappears, but then they do the effect and you understand that that was just his imagination of how he'd die, and that he hasn't actually disappeared yet. I'm not exactly sure what it was supposed to mean that Kayaba was suprised that Kirito was still able to move Asuna's sword in his "pre-disappearance" state... Kirito was somehow holding his existance in the world? I think Kayaba's comment after Asuna sacrificed herself -- like "I didn't program it that way... I guess these things happen..." was obviously a ruse. I think Kayaba wanted to give himself a dramatic ending (just like he had planned the "story" all along), hence he caused Asuna's paralysis to be able to wear off. His total lack of emotion during the whole thing is of course fitting the one responsible for this mess in the first place Anyway, other than all that... a lot of outstanding plot threads were closed this week as well. We get a clear explanation of why Kirito got the dual wield ability, which also points to his sort of "destiny" (appointed by Kayaba) as a hero in the game. And they also clear up some loose ends with Egil and Klein, and of course provide some explanation about why this whole world was setup in the first place. And also, Heathcliff's revelation as an "Immortal Object" tied back perfectly to the revelation in Episode 12, so again a case of every previous story contributing something to the on-going plot. All in all, I'm quite satisfied with this episode and the whole arc. I think that it will hold up very well on a rewatch, because there are so many little details exposed early on that come back to be important later. In that sense, I can appreciate some of the frustration the novel readers must have had watching anime viewers try to figure it out each week, because things seem so obvious in retrospect (but didn't seem at all clear at the time). Anyway, I think I will watch again and see what other details I missed. __________________ [...] Last edited by relentlessflame; 2012-10-06 at 14:56.

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Gearhead Metroid of Humor Join Date: Mar 2006	Well, it has been said that when your heart is racing, time seems to slow down... __________________ - Kicking it old school.

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Alucard24 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005	Kirito's body didn't move an inch for more than two years, how the hell can he walk like that ?? And what happened to the "killer helmet" thing ? Did Kirito received a special favor for completing the game ?