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Old 2013-04-29, 22:51   Link #481
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Once again a false analogy, because I highly doubt a customer will realize that the chicken used to make their Chicken McNuggets may not even be real meat.

Or if a customer happens to order orange juice from them, I doubt the customer would realize that the orange juice isn't actually made from real oranges.

The poor ingredients are not something Megumi chose but were given to her.
Consistency as a concept has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the ingredients, Chicken McNuggets could be made out of pork byproduct and as long as it had the same taste, texture, and appearance of what customers expect then it would pass the consistancy requirement. In this test consistency to the recipe was obviously one of the main factors the students were being evaluated on, she changed the recipe when she failed to procure ingredients of a good quality.

The test was never designed with a 100% pass rate and it's not fair to people who are slow because they couldn't get the ingredients, I agree. The bad cauliflower was thrown in there to ensure some people would fail because they were not fast enough to get one of the limited number of good ones and Shinomiya probably does take great enjoyment in failing people.

On the other hand as a consumer I've been in restaurants that you can't be sure on any given night if the food will be great, mediocre, or bad. I've also been to places that take a long time to cook my food and it has negatively impacted my opinion of those restaurants. I as a consumer can see the importance of consistency and speed in a chef which this test evaluates.

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Being able to cook consistently is important, but what's even more important is feeding the customer.

If this happened in an actual restaraunt, would you give the person who paid a lot of money to eat a refund after they waited at your restaraunt a long time, or would you give them the food Megumi cooked? If he's going to treat them as underlings, then he needs to behave like a chef. A chef's job is to give people food that's worth their money, not obsess over recipes.
Kind of why she failed, specifically the "waited at your restaraunt a long time", I've known people who will leave a restaurant if the wait is too long. The test was partially evaluating speed given slow students would be stuck with bad cauliflower.

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That's the thing, they DIDN'T have equal access to the ingredients or an equal chance to pass.

For example, if there were 100 students, the recipe required 1 cauliflower, and there were 150 cauliflowers there, with 10 being bad, then they would have equal access to the good and bad ingredients and an equal chance to pass, since everyone would have a choice between a good and bad cauliflower.
If there are 100 students, 90 good cauliflower and 10 bad everyone starts with a 90% chance of getting a good cauliflower, it's up to the students to actually get one though. Not all tests are designed to have 100% pass rates, it doesn't change the fact that they all started with the same odds.

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If it's a screening process, then why not just put a cap on the number of people that can pass, rather than sabotage?
Because Shinomiya is an unpleasent person who enjoys suffering. I'm not going to defend him, he's a horrible person, but the exam still tests for legitimate aspects of being a chef.

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Old 2013-04-29, 23:27   Link #482
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Consistency as a concept has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the ingredients, Chicken McNuggets could be made out of pork byproduct and as long as it had the same taste, texture, and appearance of what customers expect then it would pass the consistancy requirement. In this test consistency to the recipe was obviously one of the main factors the students were being evaluated on, she changed the recipe when she failed to procure ingredients of a good quality.
So what you're saying is that consistency is more important than the food being good? Normally both are important, but through no fault of her own, Megumi was put into a position where she either had to sacrifice one for the other, and she made the right choice. It's more important that the customer get their moneys worth than for the chef to follow the recipe like dogma.

In this situation, all you can do is go to the customer, explained what happened and ask them if they'll accept the change. Shinomiya didn't even give Megumi that chance. I've eaten at restaraunts where I ordered for example, a leg and thigh of chicken, or food with a certain sauce. If they don't have a leg or a thigh, or they run out of the sauce, they ask me if I would like something else, a different piece of chicken or another sauce.

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The test was never designed with a 100% pass rate and it's not fair to people who are slow because they couldn't get the ingredients, I agree. The bad cauliflower was thrown in there to ensure some people would fail because they were not fast enough to get one of the limited number of good ones and Shinomiya probably does take great enjoyment in failing people.
It's not just the slow people. What about the students that were standing the farthest away from the cauliflower? They're going to fail because of where they were standing? That has nothing to do with cooking.

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If there are 100 students, 90 good cauliflower and 10 bad everyone starts with a 90% chance of getting a good cauliflower, it's up to the students to actually get one though. Not all tests are designed to have 100% pass rates, it doesn't change the fact that they all started with the same odds.
No, everyone does not start with the same odds, since, as I pointed out above, they didn't start from the same place. The person standing closest to the cauliflower had a better chance than the person standing farthest away.

They do NOT have the same odds at the start and the odds only get worse as time goes on, since everyone doesn't have an equal chance to get a cauliflower, since there are less cauliflowers than students.

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Kind of why she failed, specifically the "waited at your restaraunt a long time", I've known people who will leave a restaurant if the wait is too long. The test was partially evaluating speed given slow students would be stuck with bad cauliflower.
Even putting aside the fact that failing someone who took too long to cook because they were unlucky enough to get a bad cauliflower, which could have happened just based on where they were standing is stupid, why not just set a time limit?

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Because Shinomiya is an unpleasent person who enjoys suffering. I'm not going to defend him, he's a horrible person, but the exam still tests for legitimate aspects of being a chef.
It doesn't matter what the exam tests for if the examiner keeps changing what the exam is about and how he going to grade.
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Old 2013-04-29, 23:40   Link #483
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In this test consistency to the recipe was obviously one of the main factors the students were being evaluated on, she changed the recipe when she failed to procure ingredients of a good quality.
No, she was failed because the quality of the ingredient she got (cauliflower) is bad. Shinomiya outright reveals this as he does not care about how the students solve the shortcoming.

Megumi only used the wine vinegar to fix her ingredient, and that did not even ruined the vegetables' taste. So, I don't think she failed this test.
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Old 2013-04-30, 00:12   Link #484
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The test was never designed with a 100% pass rate and it's not fair to people who are slow because they couldn't get the ingredients, I agree. The bad cauliflower was thrown in there to ensure some people would fail because they were not fast enough to get one of the limited number of good ones and Shinomiya probably does take great enjoyment in failing people.

On the other hand as a consumer I've been in restaurants that you can't be sure on any given night if the food will be great, mediocre, or bad. I've also been to places that take a long time to cook my food and it has negatively impacted my opinion of those restaurants. I as a consumer can see the importance of consistency and speed in a chef which this test evaluates.


Kind of why she failed, specifically the "waited at your restaraunt a long time", I've known people who will leave a restaurant if the wait is too long. The test was partially evaluating speed given slow students would be stuck with bad cauliflower.
You keep saying how Megumi is slow. This makes no sense. Do people not realize that she still made her meal in the same amount of time allowed?

A consumer waiting too long for their meal would not apply in this case. She didn't take any extra time to make her meal. The only issue is that she was literally pushed and wrestled out the way when she was trying to get her own ingredients, not just the cauliflower. Considering she had to fight her way to each ingredient, this has nothing to do with being "slow", and it certainly doesn't prove that she was passive either.
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Old 2013-04-30, 00:29   Link #485
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I'm not going to defend him, he's a horrible person, but the exam still tests for legitimate aspects of being a chef.
I'm just going to re-quote myself, since I'm pretty sure I summed up the problem in one, simple, sentence instead of a wall of text.

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It comes down to "cooking test should be testing one's ability to cook, not his/her ability to beat others in a bargain sale shopping spree slugfest"
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Old 2013-04-30, 04:54   Link #486
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Kind of why she failed, specifically the "waited at your restaraunt a long time", I've known people who will leave a restaurant if the wait is too long. The test was partially evaluating speed given slow students would be stuck with bad cauliflower.

If there are 100 students, 90 good cauliflower and 10 bad everyone starts with a 90% chance of getting a good cauliflower, it's up to the students to actually get one though. Not all tests are designed to have 100% pass rates, it doesn't change the fact that they all started with the same odds.

Because Shinomiya is an unpleasent person who enjoys suffering. I'm not going to defend him, he's a horrible person, but the exam still tests for legitimate aspects of being a chef.
i think you are wrong in a few aspects

first: one of your argument was that megume was not fast enough but that is not true she completed the task that was given in the time limit, if Shinomiya wanted to test speed, he would not give enough time to everyone complete the task.

two: the test was not made to everyone be in equal % to take the cauliflower , you can see in the manga that she was pushed back when she tried to get the cauliflower and the reason is because she does not have the same physical strenght than a teenager man.

to finish we have to see Shinomiya's test in two point of view's, first is if she was a employer and he is the chief she must pass because like you said is not always that the restaurant will get the good ingredients but she transformed a bad one in something that can be sold and for that she pass.
the second one is if they are in a school, and if that is true the entire test he made is wrong because in school you can not applies a test that someone will fail just because he got the wrong question.
at least we agree that Shinomiya is unpleasent person but about his methods is at best questionable.

sorry about my english i hope that everyone can understand what i wrote because i'm self learning and to be better at english i think is better if i try to write more.
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Old 2013-04-30, 05:20   Link #487
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Didn't expect this going to have full-blown discussion like this I'm pretty sure that we can mae a bunch of analogy for our arguments, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the analogy will go in respect for the aim of this test.

Like I said before, I still don't see the point in making the test like this
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Old 2013-05-02, 22:21   Link #488
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manga Soma > Oneshot soma
Oneshot Erika > Manga Erika
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Old 2013-05-03, 01:07   Link #489
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The only time you'd see someone mix in bad ingredients is to test EVERYONE. A test to see if you can differentiate between poor and good ingredients. Food is scared for a chef. You don't purposely put in spoil ingredients and tell someone to cook with it. The fact four-eyes calls himself a pro yet he put in spoiled ingredients to purposely fail half the students already makes him a fake chef. The fact he had the nerve to fail Megumi after she found a way to fix makes him a anal dick that shouldn't be a chef. Its like a teacher who gives you a test and tells you half the class is destined to fail no matter what you do. Think back to to the first test Megumi and Souma took. The ara ara~ oneesan test was fair. Whether or not you could gather ingredients was up to your potential as a chef. It was a fair playing field. Honestly if you wanted to fuck with the students stupid four-eyes should've given them durian to work with.
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Old 2013-05-03, 01:34   Link #490
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manga Soma > Oneshot soma
Oneshot Erika > Manga Erika
Please tell me that the one shot is already translated.
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Old 2013-05-03, 09:42   Link #491
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Old 2013-05-03, 10:53   Link #492
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Oneshot Erika > Manga Erika


Manga Erina and one shot Erina are not all that different. She's just slightly more dere.
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Old 2013-05-03, 10:57   Link #493
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Oneshot Erika is less bitchy than manga Erika. manga Erika is just too arrogant
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Old 2013-05-03, 11:26   Link #494
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I wonder where you can find the one shot manga, I heard the result on other forums, I just want to read it myself.
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Old 2013-05-03, 11:28   Link #495
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i heard some little fox can help
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Old 2013-05-03, 12:20   Link #496
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Oneshot Erina was more deredere. She wasn't really that tsun. I guess they used megumi to replace Erina with the addition of derp like qualities. Oneshot souma looked so old... glad tosh redesigned him. It'd make sense with the changes to Erina. The manga wouldn't be as interesting if Erina was deredere from the start. Too bad we haven't seen Souma experiment with food inawhile. I'm pretty the author wanted to add more scenes with that.
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Old 2013-05-03, 12:38   Link #497
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Those first words, wonder if she put up with drinking milk for months since she couldn't talk as a baby yet.

Oneshot Erina is more dere and at least somewhat verbally acknowledges Souma's skills, while manga Erina is more tsun. Souma also looked like early twenties in oneshot, wonder if those octupus tentacles are going to become a running gag?
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Old 2013-05-03, 12:38   Link #498
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I found the one shot online, though I cannot speak one word of Thai.
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Old 2013-05-03, 16:25   Link #499
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One-shot Erina has less tsun and arrogance? That's no fun at all.
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Old 2013-05-03, 16:49   Link #500
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Crazy thought I just had, what if Takumi Aldini is based on Julia Rossie Saotome from the oneshot?
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