(L) Rosario+Vampire Manga

[Tempest35]

R+V's doing so well because Moka and/or Tsukune trumps Edward (Twilight) any day of the week.

[X207]

thank you tyranuus, you reminded me about the 2nd S&W. i gotta go order it and wait for june 15 to come around. according to chapters.ca the 3rd movel comes out december 7 2010 which is ironically the same day RV se2 vol 3 manga is released. im planning to order RV se2 Vol 2 later on as august 3 is around a month away. i really hope december 7th comes around quickly, i want to get the snow village arc volume asap.

[Magin]

Okay, I re-looked at that page (or more specifically, that panel), in both the official release and the original scanlation... for one, he doesn't look like anyone from Youkai Academy. However, I also noticed that there actually doesn't seem to be any wind, and that the monk/priest (depending on which version you go by) just dropped it... by accident? That one is up in the air. I'll even admit, it could be a youkai in disguise. After all, when looking at how Hokuto got involved, the same type of lyer litterally flew to his window... which makes my theory of 'Youkai Academy continually searches for humans' quite plausible. Not only that, but based on who their donors were, I have a feeling that the Headmaster hopes that whatever human he snags will end up also running into a vampire. Sure, we don't know what Kiria is. But, I have a feeling he's part vampire.

But still, the fact remains that until we're given further absolute evidence, the arrival of Tsukune himself to Youkai Academy is pure coincidence/luck

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Magin

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Okay, I re-looked at that page (or more specifically, that panel), in both the official release and the original scanlation... for one, he doesn't look like anyone from Youkai Academy. However, I also noticed that there actually doesn't seem to be any wind, and that the monk/priest (depending on which version you go by) just dropped it... by accident? That one is up in the air. I'll even admit, it could be a youkai in disguise. After all, when looking at how Hokuto got involved, the same type of lyer litterally flew to his window... which makes my theory of 'Youkai Academy continually searches for humans' quite plausible. Not only that, but based on who their donors were, I have a feeling that the Headmaster hopes that whatever human he snags will end up also running into a vampire. Sure, we don't know what Kiria is. But, I have a feeling he's part vampire.

But still, the fact remains that until we're given further absolute evidence, the arrival of Tsukune himself to Youkai Academy is pure coincidence/luck

I agree that until we get some more evidence we can't be certain that Tsukune's entrance into Youkai Gauken is coincidental or not.

On the other thing that you mentioned Magin ... I'm not too sure if the headmaster has some control over, who the human in question meets with ... though anything is possible .... and the Headmaster's motives will be probably revealed later in the story.

I kind of think that rather then specifically orchestrating a meeting between the freshman human who has just been applied to the Youkai Academy and a vampire (since vampires are pretty rare after all and aren't quite sociable to others ), he's trying to pair up the human in question with a pretty strong youkai spices, so that the resulting human - monster hybrid which the human eventually turns too ( after being injected with youkai blood ) would become a pretty powerful ayashi as well .. so that they would be quite able to bring some sort of change between the human and youkai worlds.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Magin

Okay, I re-looked at that page (or more specifically, that panel), in both the official release and the original scanlation... for one, he doesn't look like anyone from Youkai Academy. However, I also noticed that there actually doesn't seem to be any wind, and that the monk/priest (depending on which version you go by) just dropped it... by accident? That one is up in the air. I'll even admit, it could be a youkai in disguise. After all, when looking at how Hokuto got involved, the same type of lyer litterally flew to his window... which makes my theory of 'Youkai Academy continually searches for humans' quite plausible. Not only that, but based on who their donors were, I have a feeling that the Headmaster hopes that whatever human he snags will end up also running into a vampire. Sure, we don't know what Kiria is. But, I have a feeling he's part vampire.

But still, the fact remains that until we're given further absolute evidence, the arrival of Tsukune himself to Youkai Academy is pure coincidence/luck

I have mentioned it before that I believe Kiria is part-Vampire due to his fangs and that left eye of his, which looks similar to a Vampires. He also seems strong enough to rank among the upper echelons of Vampire society. But I don't really know why the headmaster, or the academy in general, would be actively looking for humans to come to Youkai academy, not when both of the known cases of humans enrolling in said academy appeared to have enrolled by pure chance. And I doubt it could be anyone outside the academy because the only people who would want humans to come to Youkai Academy and thus attempt to make humans see there is a world beyond their own is Fairy Tail. I could see that as part of their campaign to instill a loathing for Ayashi into humans and entice them into war against them, forcing the academy to close down due to the ensuing war. But if that were true, they would know what Tsukune really is so that makes it a moot point.

[KoSa333]

I don't really remember how the bus driver and the headmaster knew Tsukune was a human originally (or at least non-ayashi) even though they shouldn't have. (even the most powerful youkais can't make difference between humans and youkais in human form)
Maybe it has something to to with that dropped flyer

[GrrDraxin]

Well, lets see, why not count all the things that have happened in the first chapter alone that could be attributed to Dumb Luck.

Lets start with Tsukune's failure in getting in all other schools even though by all rights, he should have been able to barely squeak by to land at least one of them.

Second, the flier, if that was dropped by accident, okay, but why right at that time that Tsukune's father just happen to be at the right place at the right time to pick it up, from a creepy priest.

Third, Moka's timing. Yes, she arrived at just the right time and just happened to be on a bike, plus going at what looked like full speed while her bike's brakes fail, and she and Tsukune crash. She looked like she was desperately trying to stop, so that's why I think her brakes failed, so she was just coasting at that moment. And again, by luck, on that wide path they were on near the bus stop she didn't bother swerving or anything to avoid him.

Then the last thing I saw as luck was that Tsukune managed to remove Moka's rosary, and thus set things strait for the rest of the series. Dumb Luck? I think not. Too many things happening that were thrown to chance, but might have been subtly manipulated from the sidelines to make this possible.

I didn't really count that Tsukune was bleeding at Moka and his first meeting, so I don't count that her taking a liking to him there as luck, because I'm sure she would have bitten him anyway, even if he wasn't bleeding. Though I'm sure that if he was a genuinely bad person she wouldn't have bothered with him. I seems to remember somewhere Moka mentioning that those who are bad of heart don't smell very tasty to her, and thus why she likes Tsukune's blood so much.

Though, there could be something else to consider, Since Akasha is also a dark lord, perhaps she and Mikogami (the headmaster) met before the series start to plan all this out knowing Moka would be attending the academy.

Being that she too may have that softer side decided that Moka needed something to make her solidify her resolve in something, and her and Tsukune's meeting set the whole thing in motion. Being that Tsukune is the kind person he is, was just icing on the cake for the dark trio.

A bit far fetched, but could be a possibility.

[Kyero Fox]

wait are we talkin about what now?

[GrrDraxin]

We're talkin about youkai Dark Lord Conspiracies to hook up Moka with Tsukune, plotted by her own mother. That's what we're talkin about.... well, at least "I" am.

[Arturro]

Originally Posted by GrrDraxin

We're talkin about youkai Dark Lord Conspiracies to hook up Moka with Tsukune, plotted by her own mother. That's what we're talkin about.... well, at least "I" am.

I don't want to sadden you, but if you'll read again first few chapters of R+V, it should be obvious mangaka idea of this manga was something like: "lets try a romance shounen manga, but with wampires and witches". First half of first season was made of independent chapters, without any main plot. R+V turned to be a success and a plot appeared. Of course your opinion may vary
Ikeda is a good author, so he easily "recycled" characters or plot elements introduced at first chapters, so now they "fit" to plot about TF.
IMO Margin is right - Tsukune enrolling to Youkai Academy, meeting with Moka etc. were just typical shounen manga protagonist dumb luck. Ikeda, of course, could in future chapters, "reveal" that Tsukune enrollment was not an accident. It's not so hard for a good author.
Here you could find a nice explanation how a good author could change a plot, recycle characters and join loose ends, when he is forced to rewrite a part of a story due to unexpected circumstances. It's about Babylon 5 show (it's an old show, but worth watching!).

[Magin]

Originally Posted by GrrDraxin

We're talkin about youkai Dark Lord Conspiracies to hook up Moka with Tsukune, plotted by her own mother. That's what we're talkin about.... well, at least "I" am.

When you put it like that.. you make it seem like every MILF we've come across in the series wants to make Tsukune their son-in-law!

also, the author always leaves room for little re-writes down the road. I'm sure that they have a basic outline but leave plenty of holes for changes if needed

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Magin

When you put it like that.. you make it seem like every MILF we've come across in the series wants to make Tsukune their son-in-law!

also, the author always leaves room for little re-writes down the road. I'm sure that they have a basic outline but leave plenty of holes for changes if needed

Well, so far it has been the most predictable outcome after Tsukune has met the parents of the girls in his harem, the only exception was Yukari's parents, but since they hadn't got much screen time in the series (I mean they haven't even said one word when they appeared) ... so judging from that I wouldn't be too surprised that Akasha will fallow the same pattern after she finally gets to meet up with Tsukune.

@GrrDraxin

I will admit that there are a lot of hints that point out that Tsukune entering Youkai Academy and meeting up with Moka wasn't coincidental ... but we still don't know who might be pulling the strings and what could be their motive for setting up the meeting between Moka and Tsukune ... since I doubt that they (if someone orchestrated their meting, of course), already knew that Tsukune would be injected with Moka's vampire blood.

Given that similar "coincidental" events happened when Hokuto has entered the Youkai Academy, I will admit that it might be possible that someone orchestrated the whole appliance procedure of Tsukune and Hokuto into Youkai Gauken, and the most likely suspect is the Headmaster, but until we are given more hints on that, it still remains a speculation on our part.

Regarding what you mentioned about Akasha GrrDraxin, I wouldn't be too surprised if it's going to be revealed later in the story that Mikogami was made by Akasha into Moka's legal guardian ... so what you mentioned is something that I definitely see as a possibility.

[kenjiharima]

I think this is what Jack Frost meant in the Snow Village arc.

Those 2 have a certain destiny. Mizore is also involved getting inside Moka's memories. Hmm....

[Magin]

That second part is just your Mizore fanboyness speaking...

and remember, this is still shounen. As was mentioned, there's a lot of factors that were all a case of luck, and Tsukune being in the right place at the right time. I doubt that the Headmaster really had anything to do with Tsukune and Moka really meeting, just that he was able to get both a vampire and human in the Academy, and when he found out there was an actual relationship between them, that's when the plotting started...

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Magin

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That second part is just your Mizore fanboyness speaking...

and remember, this is still shounen. As was mentioned, there's a lot of factors that were all a case of luck, and Tsukune being in the right place at the right time. I doubt that the Headmaster really had anything to do with Tsukune and Moka really meeting, just that he was able to get both a vampire and human in the Academy, and when he found out there was an actual relationship between them, that's when the plotting started...

Well that's true ... it's certainly possible that Tsukune entering and meeting up with Moka was just a coincidence, which is kind of typical in shounen mangas to start the plot going. Honestly I doubt that we have anything more to discuss on this matter, since it's not like we have any more evidence that might change the opinions of the interested parties ... and I don't think that continuing the discussion on this topic has much sense.

So how about I bring up something that was mentioned earlier, and seems to be more related to the recent chapter's ....

Originally Posted by zibi88

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still Rubi durring the control power training said herself.... that Tsukune leaned this WAY WAY WAY too fast.... and she as for a yukai (witch) said herself "What on earth is he..."

that human learned this fast yukai powers...that its not natural.... next is the moka small training with that sense yukai auras.... he really got that fast which even supprised moka (the back hug plan to rise anger in kurumu & co. )

not mention that he is training fighting with moka... and he as for a human is somehow able to keep up with her moves (and she trainied fighting from very young age... while tsukune just started)

so there is something special in Tsukune (as even the snowman prophecy mentioned that moka & tsukune will shake the whole world...that there is a huge plan behind them)

hehe what if Moka's mom choiced Tsukune becouse he somehow influanced the rosario memory...like the rosario memory is like soul connection... so what if in next chapters Tsukune will meet Akasha in some way... they will talk for a while and he will tell that he is from future a human that lives in only monster school and is a close friend to moka..... so this was the case on why Akasha found Tsukune and made him end up in that school

so maybe if tsukune interreacts with other people in that rosario memory... he changes memories of all people in it (Tsukune talk with Akasha about future... makes her decision to leave the castle and go to human world to prepare the school grounds.. and the trick to put tsukune in it)

Still I wonder how Akasha would react to Tsukune... another "mmm tasty blood" xD (like mother like daughter

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Well zibi88 I think that the protagonist being able to quickly master and learn new abilities is something typical for shuonen manga, though you may be right by saying that Tsukune wasn't a typical human at the beginning of the story, since apart from being able to quickly master vampire techniques, Tsukune was also able to withstand injuries that would normally kill a normal human without any problems, ... of course usually he would be recovered by Moka injecting her blood into Tsukune, but still for him to be able to cling to life for a few seconds, so that Moka would be able to heal him is still something unusual for a human to do.

I mean for example if a normal human have received such major injuries as Tsukune during his confrontation with Kuyou, he would probably die instantly, but Tsukune was still able to cling to life for a few seconds, which gave Inner Moka some time to inject her blood into Tsukune.

But until we learn a bit more about Tsukune and his family we won't be sure if Tsukune was still a normal human being or some rare kind of a human with some supernatural abilities. (such as Psychicer's that Yoko Takeo has mentioned in one of his recent posts. )

Regarding Moka's memories , in which Tsukune, Mizore and Tohou Fuhai are currently located ... I doubt it has any other effect then changing Moka's perspective about the events that transparied inside the sealed memory, meaning that if Tsukune, Mizore and Tohou Fuhai interfere to many times inside Moka's memories ... Moka will start thinking that things went quite differently then before (for example Moka, if she remembers the memories contained in the Rosario, will probably think that she met Tsukune during her childhood, which is quire different from how really things went by, where Moka couldn't have met up with Tsukune at all. .)

[usspaul]

well i just got me a chance to look at ch31 and moka during her birthday party looked really cute

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and well akuha is good looking too

Spoiler for ahuka:

but when i was looking at the scans i was like wtf when i saw this

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[Tsuyoshi]

Spoiler for Chapter 31:

That creature looks freakishly strong. Judging from the scans, it would look like that thing was part of the reason Moka was kicked out of the house. Only later did Akasha find out it was all Akuha's doing. Looks like next chapter's gonna be a fight between those two, leading up to Akasha's mysterious disappearance.

[usspaul]

Spoiler for ch31:

well all i can say is akuha is really the reason for moka leaving the house. I think this chapter will also show why moka is so protective of that seal.

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by usspaul

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well all i can say is akuha is really the reason for moka leaving the house. I think this chapter will also show why moka is so protective of that seal.

Spoiler for Chapter 31:

Probably also why she looks so much like her mother when she wears it as well. We might also get to know what conditions need to be met for the seal to be taken off, which could also give a hint as to why Tsukune's the right man for Moka.

[usspaul]

Originally Posted by Yoko Takeo

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Probably also why she looks so much like her mother when she wears it as well. We might also get to know what conditions need to be met for the seal to be taken off, which could also give a hint as to why Tsukune's the right man for Moka.

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well this chapter makes me want the next one too cause at the end of this chapter you see moka running back to the castle. so im thinking she see akuha kill or hurt her mother so bad goes into a rage and fights with akuha or she runs to her mothers dieing side. i dunno all i know is next ch. alot of shit is gonna hit the fan also another thing i noticed about this chapter is kalhua only had one seal on her so i wonder how much more powerful she is now. also im just wondering if maybe akuha is part of the reason why kalhua joined fairy tale. i mean we know akuha is much more powerful then her. and i just dont really see kalhua as being an evil person. Also i notice there where some funny parts in this chapter too where moka was spying on her parents akuha came in.