2012-10-10, 15:16 | Link #41 |
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I might be mis-seeing things, but on page 14 just after Obito smashes the guy's face in and his mask shatters, if you look at his forehead protector the symbol looks like the Konoha leaf rather than the Kiri mist... but then again it may be a chip of the mask
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2012-10-10, 16:08 | Link #42 |
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I wonder what's so special about Rin that the Mist ninjas need to recover her body. Rin has been in Konoha's "possession" for quite a while. So what's the sudden urgency? I think the double-agent idea could work. She could have stolen some forbidden tech from the Leaf and then hidden it on her person. I don't know if that would justify Kakashi's actions though.
One thing that stands out is that Obito seems to have been 'chosen' by Madara. This seems to imply that Madara didn't just come across Obito by chance. Obito wasn't some random Uchiha that just happened onto Madara's lair, but was an Uchiha with extraordinary potential. Did Madara know about Obito prior to their meeting in the cave? Or alternatively, does Madara have some kind of fortune-telling ability? The latter possibility isn't so far-fetched. Madara's relationship with Obito has been compared to the relationship between the Emperor and Anakin (from Star Wars). And recall that much of the Emperor's plan hinged on his ability to foresee the outcome of events far in advance.
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2012-10-10, 16:22 | Link #43 | |
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The reason I'm mentioning this, is that there's a possibility that Madara may only be indirectly involved here. He doesn't seem capable of controlling the Mist directly right now. Plus, you know, why would Madara be an accomplice to making the world even more twitsted? |
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Actually, to get a little geeky here, Palpatine's victory hinged on his ability to prevent other Jedi from seeing the future (since it is an ability all force users share...though Palpatine did have uncommonly powerful visions). He used the Dark Side to cloud the future and to directly influence Anakin's actions (by giving him force visions of negative futures, etc). |
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fact 1 : those ninjas belonged to the Bloody Mist fact 2 : the Bloody Mist was the Mist when Yagura was manipulated by Madara or the long haired masked man. Something to argue ? Read the mangas because Yes, there are proofs. Quote:
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2012-10-10, 19:07 | Link #47 | |
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The only evidence I was able to see that might point to that was a conversation between the Mei and Ao when she says their no longer the Bloody Mist now that Yagura's gone but that doesn't mean that they weren't the Bloody Mist before Yagura appeared. Even so we could also argue that Yagura got the Mist the bloody Mist without being manipulated but I think this point is right now more important for me. Also don't say read the manga if you going to present a theory have evidence yourself to back it up. A lack of evidence to disprove you doesn't prove your case. That's the logic of conspiracy theorists.
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2012-10-10, 19:42 | Link #48 |
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If the masked man who manipulated Yagura and Kisame isn't Obito, we have a plot hole on our hands. Kisame recognized the long-haired manipulator and Tobi as the same person.
Of course there's not really any way out for Kishimoto in terms of making it plothole free anyway. Cue people crying that "BUT WE HAVEN"T SEEN IT ALL EXPLAINED YET." |
2012-10-10, 20:28 | Link #50 | |
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also, your current 'plot hole' of it possibly not being obito with the long hair can easily be filled up by genjutsu |
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2012-10-10, 21:31 | Link #51 |
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why kakashi killed rin in [cut] naurto 605[/URL],we see kakashi is awake.so,after reading the new chapter.. was thinking...what if Rin really is a spy for the Hidden Mist? I like this theory (called such cause it's still not clear about her allegiance), cause it makes sense..at least for turning Obito into Tobi...
Here's what I think: Hidden Mist managed to get their hands on a byakugan, along with information about it, held by Rin. She was found out, and this led to the battle as we saw it. What do you guys think? Last edited by james0246; 2012-10-10 at 23:57. Reason: do not include links to licensed materials... |
2012-10-11, 00:08 | Link #54 |
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I think the insatiable obsession with discovering so called “plot-holes” around here is hilarious. Many of these proclaimed “plot-holes” aren't even plot-holes to begin with, but simply anomalies that have yet to be explained. Does it make some of you feel smart, to think you caught a mistake from the author? Kishimoto probably doesn't even give a rat's ass, since the few retcons he actually does have usually gain significant approval, and even with these, its conceivable that he probably did them on purpose because he wanted the change as the manga has gone on pretty long and I think he may want to change his mind about certain things. Indeed, most of the millions of fans reading along are probably too busy enjoying the manga to act like the “forensics specialists” we have around here, combing through each chapter for “plot-holes”.
Whats probably even more comical to read are the members who, impulsively go on to create their own convoluted eventualities from mere possible hints, and complain about the author writing something that he didn't even write yet... And of course, their conclusions are quite often proven completely wrong, and in the face of all their ramblings, the story ends up making sense in a way they simply didn't anticipate. |
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2012-10-11, 03:50 | Link #56 |
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yea nothing at all... except for how obito and kakashi got MS which is something that has been debated for years now...
also, it explained that madara did in fact choose obito which is a big deal as far as this entire backstory and tobi's character go and it explained that the Mist was known at the time as Bloody Mist. and that they were seeking Rin or you know... "literally nothing" after rereading this chapter just now I like it even more. the whole fight is so badass. i think the transition from obito to tobi is quite good and pretty intense |
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this chapter also revealed one more detail, madara chose obito. this actually makes more sense than obito falling into that pit by accident. perhaps, obito is a direct descendant of madara's. i don't know if it's just a translation error but i believe obito said that madara was an ancestor of his. maybe he wasn't just referring to madara being an uchiha but a direct ancestor. hmmm...
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All I'm saying is, you are making fair assumptions, but you should accept that they are just assumptions and things may not turn out exactly the way you theorize. |
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i do make my speculation but that is out of curosity,i don't imlpy them, it is the authors work that is the real story no matter what it is, and i think kishi has done pretty good reasoning of the plot Quote:
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