2008-09-17, 22:57 | Link #1 |
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[Manga] The Uchiha Madara Discussion Thread
This is an all purpose Uchiha Madara thread since the old one is now closed.
If you have opinions/ theories/questions about his personas, his identities, his claims, his actions or his goals this is where you want to post. |
2008-09-17, 22:58 | Link #2 |
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I want to discuss a potential plot hole in the series. It revolves around this scene
Kisame recognizes the Mizukage of his village as Madara without any help. How can this be when he makes all of these statements? (another translation reads, its not common for me to see 2 sharingan users in one day, but it differs) Even more this is what Asuma says about Kisame upon first seeing him If Madara was really the leader of the water village, then Asuma's statement makes no sense. How madara can be the mizukage, be an Uchiha, have kisame under his leadership, yet kisame be a missing nin from the very same village, with the story still flowing forward. |
2008-09-18, 00:00 | Link #3 |
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Spoiler for save space:
For the first pic you posted, Kisame only said Madara, so maybe Madara has never stated that his last name is Uchiha to Kisame, or to his village (sorry, can't think of it at the moment). This is a stretch, but who knows. And all that other stuff that you posted came before, and possibly Kishi hadn't thought that far ahead. Not sure if any of this is right, or even close, but it is just a thought. |
2008-09-18, 04:53 | Link #4 |
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Madara seem rather talented in manipulating the people around him... Its possible hes told people things.. like kisame just enough to get him to do what he wants... similar to how he told sasuke all about itachi.. just enough info to push sasuke in the right direction.. he says hes only seen the sharigan twice.. makes sense.. hes never seen madara fight.. maybe his reputation is all he needs... as for the "i thought u killed the entire clan" well hes probably of the belief that madara/itachi are the only ones left... and the last part about destructive activities.. wouldn't be surprised if it was all madara's doing.. |
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It's not as if the rest of the world knows the Mizukage is Madara, they just know him as 'the Mizukage' or whatever alias he took up acting as the Mizukage. |
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2008-09-18, 16:51 | Link #6 |
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Suna the thing is Kisame said he has never seen another sharingan before but Madara is a strong ninja he probably never felt the need to use the sharingan, his fist is enough to take out a jounin.
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2008-09-18, 18:02 | Link #7 | |
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That reply Itachi gives kisame was hidden, and IMO Itachi told Kisame that Madara is alive, so even if Sasuke was dead Itachi still would not be the only Uchiha alive and that was the cause of kisame saying "what." Last edited by Master Mold; 2008-09-18 at 18:19. |
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2008-09-19, 12:56 | Link #8 |
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The simplest answer: Kisame keeps secret that Madara lives and therefore he *lies* that he has never seen any sharingan eye other than Itachi's. It is not possible for Kisame to not know that Madara is an Uchiha simply because Madara is a legendary guy, his death marked the ending of an era and the beginning of the 5 main kages/villages - 5 big countries. We could say that the 1st hokage began the "middle ages" of the naruto world Therefore Madara probably ordered Kisame to never mention his existence.
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2008-09-24, 22:31 | Link #10 |
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No offense, but Madara is a part of ninja history. Founding father of the uchiha and konoha. He has a large statue of him at the valley of the end. I mean how many madara's do you think are running around? Its like someone in the US being called george washington.
I find it hard to believe that Kisame would recognize madara as madara and not at least briefly consider if its the same madara as uchiha madara. Especially when he has the trademark black hair to boot Also, if Madara is the water village leader, why is he risking his own high level hunter nins by sending them out to find kisame? Stuff happens when ninjas go out, anything can happen. Why risk valuable man power if you're not trying to catch him? I personally think Madara isn't the current leader of the water village. He just spends too much time with akatsuki... |
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I mean you say that those two are actually looking the same? I think you are influenced by what you think to know is right.
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2008-09-28, 07:33 | Link #17 | |
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... watch closely. Spoiler for image:
Do you see Kisame's eye? It's just like when people are encountered with Sharingan. Maybe Kisame did not really see what he saw, being put under the effect of genjutsu.
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2008-09-28, 13:17 | Link #18 | |
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Added to that, what would Madara really gain from Kisame by pretending to be the Mizukage (or a Mizukage) of a country that Kisame has abandoned, you might as well pretend to be Hashirama while he is at it. It is far more likely that Madara is/was the Mizukage. |
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