2014-12-10, 04:04 | Link #1401 |
Gamilas Falls
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Republic of California
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"....potential Hillary Presidency"
That has been a scary thought since Bill was in office. My father was in high school with her, and has less than kind things to say just from his limited contact with her.
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2014-12-10, 14:09 | Link #1403 |
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Montreal, QC, Canada
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This is where Obama should find a way to throw those 2 animals under the bus before the end of 2016. For all those idiots who want to have Obama impeached, nothing would be better than throwing THAT kind of sucker punch to those particular idiots by dropping Bush and Cheney to the lions in the pit.
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2014-12-13, 17:09 | Link #1409 |
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Join Date: May 2009
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Hence the growing up part after high school.
The USAF was an eye opening experience and learning just what a nuclear weapon can and cannot do showed me how full of shit the anti-nuke left was in the early 90s...and that was the tip of the proverbial "ice-berg" of left-wing nonsense.
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2014-12-13, 17:28 | Link #1410 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: R'lyeh
Age: 48
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then i found out what modern day republicans were.
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2014-12-13, 18:11 | Link #1411 |
→ Wandering Bard
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Grancel City, Liberl Kingdom
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I blindly followed my Parents social conservatism in middle school. A lot of regular folks typically adopt their parents perspectives in the world, but some do experience things that changes such views.
Then the real world hit hard in the financial crisis of 2008 and I saw the vast need and efficacy of social safety programs. It was a life changing experience working with health clinics during high school and seeing the poverty working people go through even after working day in and day out. Mixed in with traditional teenage rebellions, my energies became more focused on broadening perspectives and looking at alternatives. Then I went to college and learned a lot about developmental political economy and realized how the position of social democracy is needed to temper the inequalities wrought by the current neoliberal regime of free markets and such. On the other hand it is still hard for me to become less hawkish in military and defense matters. I just do not really see why people individually have to take the entire thing whole hog aka liberal = pro-social programs/issues, anti-war. Still I do know why it has to be that way structurally considering the need to form strong coalitions in government, so I just make peace with the tradeoffs that come with collective bargaining. PS. People forget Hillary campaigned for Barry Goldwater's campaign. And now she is considered the left of center Democrat. Times change. People sometimes need to respect history and learn from it I think.
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2014-12-13, 18:55 | Link #1413 | |
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The truth isn't something either side of the American political spectrum can deal with. The only real difference is that the so called "conservatives" are slightly (and I do mean slightly) better than the idiots to the left of them.
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2014-12-13, 19:10 | Link #1414 |
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Join Date: Mar 2010
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Calling anyone "to the left" or for that matter to the right, idiots, does not necessarily mean that their perspectives isn't valid.
It is just varying perspectives tinged by culture and life experiences. I mean I could just as simply dismiss arguments made by people who do not subscribe to my beliefs, but that doesn't mean I'd call them "idiots" and not try to be friends on other more mundane things like hobbies.
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2014-12-13, 19:31 | Link #1416 |
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When I was younger, I subscribed to the popular notion that Republicans were evil,
and Democrats were stupid. But as I got older, and learned more about politics, I've come to realize that stupidity *and* evil are rampant in *both* parties. Perhaps the whole concept of political parties needs to be re-examined. |
2014-12-13, 19:48 | Link #1418 |
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You liked Valvrave. That's more than enough for me to like you
Anyway its easy enough to fall into cynicism and disengage from the political process overall, but turning our backs from it doesn't make it go away. Decisions made by the political process still affects our daily lives even if we choose to disregard it.
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2014-12-13, 20:01 | Link #1419 | |
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Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Living the NEET dream
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But hey, you say you like Valvrave too huh? Well I guess I like you too!
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2014-12-13, 20:02 | Link #1420 |
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It's not cynicism to realize that the political system is beholden to the economic system first and foremost, and that civil/social issues are used as wedge topics to distract from that.
This has been the case since the founding of nations. The fact that people rationalize economic inequality as "just the way it is" should tell you all you need about how deep the problem is. This will change (hopefully, for the better) once the current economic system collapses (which won't be long now). On the downside, it will be painful. On the upside, it will be an opportunity to rid ourselves of the shackles of wage slavery.
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