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Shino the black cros · 2011-11-22, 15:05

boah i cant wait till the 12th december when the new achiga hen is comming (i think the raws)

elior · 2011-11-24, 04:07

when saki will take off her shoes this mean she will start be serious

Om Nerabdator · 2011-11-25, 00:07

for a monthly manga this should be more than 18 pages

Sol Falling · 2011-11-25, 00:21

lol. Compared to the longass breaks and irregular scanlation schedule we had some time ago, this much is still pretty satisfying, actually. With two spinoff mangas also coming out regularly, even if the main chapters are as always pretty short, I still feel like we're getting a lot of Saki.

Anybody else catch the two new Saki Biyori chapters? They are seriously cute, lol. I dunno how that author comes up with her material, 'cause even though it's obviously new material, not only does the characterization still feel pretty accurate and canonical, but it's also interesting! lol. Really good stuff.

dingmajiao · 2011-11-25, 06:12

I hate to admit but after 8 pages of Saki last month, 18 pages this month is HUGE!

King-Slayer · 2011-11-26, 14:24

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Originally Posted by Om Nerabdator

for a monthly manga this should be more than 18 pages

This is actually still a bi-weekly manga. It's just when the Saki matches come, Ritz always takes break after break.

dingmajiao · 2011-11-26, 22:04

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Originally Posted by King-Slayer

This is actually still a bi-weekly manga. It's just when the Saki matches come, Ritz always takes break after break.

We're used to seeing this

"Saki will be taking a break for the next issue xx/xx. Saki will be out on the xx/xx"

dingmajiao · 2011-11-28, 10:59

I just brought the extra book for Saki (Maho teaching how do your play Mahjong with some other character data)

Really interesting stuff, especially the stats to the players.. Will post the stats when I'm free..

King-Slayer · 2011-12-05, 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by dingmajiao

I just brought the extra book for Saki (Maho teaching how do your play Mahjong with some other character data)

Really interesting stuff, especially the stats to the players.. Will post the stats when I'm free..

I think i've seen that somewhere but i can't read jp so i did me little good

. But i look forward to seeing the player stats

dingmajiao · 2011-12-05, 20:27

Here's for Kiyosumi first..
And btw, Takei Hisa is officially > Haramura Nodoka

Spoiler for Saki power:

Flower · 2011-12-05, 20:30

Poor Kyotaro!

dingmajiao · 2011-12-05, 20:34

I thought Mako was freaking high in the stats, despite only being 3/5 overall.. I guess 'Luck' is too much of a decider..

Sol Falling · 2011-12-05, 20:49

Yeah, I was thinking "wth" with Mako (and Hisa) having 3s and 4s being thrown around everywhere, despite still coming behind/even with Saki/Nodoka who've got a bunch of 1s or 2s. Seems like the "overall" power level really is weighted heavily towards certain stats in particular. Still, quite interesting stuff anyway.

I'm happy about Hisa being godly and getting 5/5 over Nodoka, but then I have to wonder how things will look overall when all the other schools get thrown in. Like, for example, Touka. She's a sleeping dragon for sure, probably a 5/5 no doubt. But, for Nodoka to be below her seems kinda wrong...

Would you know what "latency" is supposed to mean exactly? It's Yuuki's highest stat...

dingmajiao · 2011-12-05, 20:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Falling

Would you know what "latency" is supposed to mean exactly? It's Yuuki's highest stat...

潜在する力 is what is written there.. I checked it up in dictionary and the best word I can find is latency.. Ah! I think I should change it to Potential.. -.-' I was thinking about using that word, but I thought it had more to do with the ability to just slip through during matches..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sol Falling

Yeah, I was thinking "wth" with Mako (and Hisa) having 3s and 4s being thrown around everywhere, despite still coming behind/even with Saki/Nodoka who've got a bunch of 1s or 2s. Seems like the "overall" power level really is weighted heavily towards certain stats in particular. Still, quite interesting stuff anyway.

I'm happy about Hisa being godly and getting 5/5 over Nodoka, but then I have to wonder how things will look overall when all the other schools get thrown in. Like, for example, Touka. She's a sleeping dragon for sure, probably a 5/5 no doubt. But, for Nodoka to be below her seems kinda wrong...

There's only 3 more 5/5 overall players left.. Amae Koromo, Kajiki Yumi and Fukuji Mihoko.. Touka is only 4/5.. I'm surprised Kajiki is 5/5 anyway!

dingmajiao · 2011-12-05, 21:23

I think Latency probably means Potential here..

Chandalen · 2011-12-06, 02:21

latency in this case probably = latent

: present and capable of emerging or developing but not now visible, obvious, active, or symptomatic <a latent infection>

aka ~=potential in other terms

dingmajiao · 2011-12-06, 04:04

Ryuumonbuchi and the other Schools.

Spoiler for Saki power:

FlavorOfLife · 2011-12-06, 05:20

Koromo's sense is too low i think. Her ability to read the tiles is high enough for her to instinctively know who is making a high point hand. They should have used a 10 point score or higher since you can end up with a lot of 5s

dingmajiao · 2011-12-06, 06:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlavorOfLife

They should have used a 10 point score or higher since you can end up with a lot of 5s

I totally agree.. Some of the stats just seem wrong! Kajiki Yumi > Touka? Nodoka? No way!!!

Anyone care to post their own stat lines? =D

night_sentinel · 2011-12-07, 14:24

Thanks dingmajiao for posting the stats.

Though, I do agree with you some of the stats does not make sense and they really should have made a 10 point system.

I'm currently wondering how overall is computed because its certainly not the average score of the player. I'm with you that some stats like 'luck' would be given more considerations but it seemed at least more than 50 percent of the overall comes from luck. And I suppose it reflects reality since mahjong is more about luck.

On the Overall stat I think its the official tier list and since I've got nothing to do I'll comment on the placement of the people on the overall.

5/5 Players

Saki
This one is a no-brainer

. Do I really need to justify this one?
Has the ability to Rinshan almost at will, can 'sense' incoming danger, is unfairly good at drawing tiles to the point of statistical anomaly.

Koromo
Another duh.

I think no one will contest a 5/5 for Koromo. Can prevent people from going to tenpai, can get haitei whenever you give her the chance and yes can actually sense any incoming danger or tenpai from another player.

So now that we got that out of the way, we'll get to the controversial parts. You know this stats would make be a lot easier if Saki and Koromo get a + on their 5/5 meaning if special conditions are met they are boosted to 6/5 or whatever. That meant Koromo on a full moon and Saki getting serious and motivated.

Hisa
We'll actually I won't contest this. (not because I'm biased or anything

) Hisa actually deserves to be a 5/5 player. She has a good eye for strategy and her superpower is not bad either getting the tile she needed from bad waits is a mental weapon against her opponents and it makes her unpredictable somewhat since you don't know if she took t a bad wait or not.

Mihoko
If Hisa is on 5/5, it also meant that Mihoko gets a 5/5 since in their last match their more or less even with Mihoko winning by a small margin. Besides this she also has a nice ability which is like the all seeing eye which allows her to plan very well. She seemed to have a good grasp of tactics. And well she did win the individuals.

Yumi
Actually, I have no problem with Yumi being a 5/5 player. For one her last match is with Koromo and Saki. Even Mihoko and Hisa will have a hard time fighting those two and from the non-canon or canon individuals Hisa does have a hard time fighting Saki even with the specific strategy that she developed and in a sense all of the other player ganging up on Saki. (And if Saki remembers that she can win with tiles other than Rinshan

and not try to be predictable then it would be almost impossible. )
Besides, in the individuals Hisa and Yumi have almost the same score. And it is implied in the manga in the score sheets that when Ms. Katsudon and Hisa fought Yumi, Yumi won.

Touka
Now, the player that I really want to contest is Touka. 'Cold Touka' is easily 5/5 or even 6/5 depending on how serious Saki and Koromo played- I don't care that Koromo and Saki is not in their full power without the moon or not motivated enough. Just beating those two even when they are playing around once will qualify someone for a 5/5 and 'Cold Touka' beat them along with Ms. Katsudon several times.

The only way I can accept this is if it is somehow the tournament stats and Cold Touka does not in anyway factor in. In the tournament 4/5 actually makes sense with Touka since her skill is on par with Nodoka.

Nodoka
Well, considering that recent chapters showed that she is not completely immune to all superpowers I actually think that this rank is fitting. Nodoka plays efficiently and will maximize whatever tile that was given to her and almost unperturbed by her opponents antics . In a realistic game, this is enough to be the best player. Unfortunately, in this universe there are haxor abilities. Nodoka needs to gain an ability or to level her magical resistance to a total nullifying field.

Momoko
Well, even if it looks like Nodoka > Momoko. Its mostly because Nodoka is scissor to Momoko's paper. If we look at the match they actually have a close score gain. And beside becoming invisible is actually a pretty cool ability if it works since its like stealth mode where you can ron someone even when the opponent could have easily avoided it.

Kana
Just like Yumi, Kana may have a poor showing due to the fact that well she's playing Saki and Koromo. But, judging from the high scoring tiles she was getting then she has actually a good ability. And from what I can see she can actually see the dora in the wall which is a really good. But, her grasp of tactics leave much to be desired so giving her the benefit of the doubt 4/5.

Hajime
Another controversial one, but she did a good job against Hisa and not getting trounced and even getting a positive score from the whole affair even being blindsided by Hisa's bad waits. And since Hisa is 5/5 I suppose its possible that Hajime is 4/5.

I'll stop here for now.

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2011-12-07, 14:24	Link #640
night_sentinel Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Earth	Thanks dingmajiao for posting the stats. Though, I do agree with you some of the stats does not make sense and they really should have made a 10 point system. I'm currently wondering how overall is computed because its certainly not the average score of the player. I'm with you that some stats like 'luck' would be given more considerations but it seemed at least more than 50 percent of the overall comes from luck. And I suppose it reflects reality since mahjong is more about luck. On the Overall stat I think its the official tier list and since I've got nothing to do I'll comment on the placement of the people on the overall. 5/5 Players Saki This one is a no-brainer . Do I really need to justify this one? Has the ability to Rinshan almost at will, can 'sense' incoming danger, is unfairly good at drawing tiles to the point of statistical anomaly. Koromo Another duh. I think no one will contest a 5/5 for Koromo. Can prevent people from going to tenpai, can get haitei whenever you give her the chance and yes can actually sense any incoming danger or tenpai from another player. So now that we got that out of the way, we'll get to the controversial parts. You know this stats would make be a lot easier if Saki and Koromo get a + on their 5/5 meaning if special conditions are met they are boosted to 6/5 or whatever. That meant Koromo on a full moon and Saki getting serious and motivated. Hisa We'll actually I won't contest this. (not because I'm biased or anything ) Hisa actually deserves to be a 5/5 player. She has a good eye for strategy and her superpower is not bad either getting the tile she needed from bad waits is a mental weapon against her opponents and it makes her unpredictable somewhat since you don't know if she took t a bad wait or not. Mihoko If Hisa is on 5/5, it also meant that Mihoko gets a 5/5 since in their last match their more or less even with Mihoko winning by a small margin. Besides this she also has a nice ability which is like the all seeing eye which allows her to plan very well. She seemed to have a good grasp of tactics. And well she did win the individuals. Yumi Actually, I have no problem with Yumi being a 5/5 player. For one her last match is with Koromo and Saki. Even Mihoko and Hisa will have a hard time fighting those two and from the non-canon or canon individuals Hisa does have a hard time fighting Saki even with the specific strategy that she developed and in a sense all of the other player ganging up on Saki. (And if Saki remembers that she can win with tiles other than Rinshan and not try to be predictable then it would be almost impossible. ) Besides, in the individuals Hisa and Yumi have almost the same score. And it is implied in the manga in the score sheets that when Ms. Katsudon and Hisa fought Yumi, Yumi won. Touka Now, the player that I really want to contest is Touka. 'Cold Touka' is easily 5/5 or even 6/5 depending on how serious Saki and Koromo played- I don't care that Koromo and Saki is not in their full power without the moon or not motivated enough. Just beating those two even when they are playing around once will qualify someone for a 5/5 and 'Cold Touka' beat them along with Ms. Katsudon several times. The only way I can accept this is if it is somehow the tournament stats and Cold Touka does not in anyway factor in. In the tournament 4/5 actually makes sense with Touka since her skill is on par with Nodoka. Nodoka Well, considering that recent chapters showed that she is not completely immune to all superpowers I actually think that this rank is fitting. Nodoka plays efficiently and will maximize whatever tile that was given to her and almost unperturbed by her opponents antics . In a realistic game, this is enough to be the best player. Unfortunately, in this universe there are haxor abilities. Nodoka needs to gain an ability or to level her magical resistance to a total nullifying field. Momoko Well, even if it looks like Nodoka > Momoko. Its mostly because Nodoka is scissor to Momoko's paper. If we look at the match they actually have a close score gain. And beside becoming invisible is actually a pretty cool ability if it works since its like stealth mode where you can ron someone even when the opponent could have easily avoided it. Kana Just like Yumi, Kana may have a poor showing due to the fact that well she's playing Saki and Koromo. But, judging from the high scoring tiles she was getting then she has actually a good ability. And from what I can see she can actually see the dora in the wall which is a really good. But, her grasp of tactics leave much to be desired so giving her the benefit of the doubt 4/5. Hajime Another controversial one, but she did a good job against Hisa and not getting trounced and even getting a positive score from the whole affair even being blindsided by Hisa's bad waits. And since Hisa is 5/5 I suppose its possible that Hajime is 4/5. I'll stop here for now. __________________ Saki - The Conclusion of the Fifth Stage Match Saki 190 - Yuuki Gambling Mathematical Waves Saki - 1st Half of the Vanguard Finals - Mysterious Cousins and Rare Yakumans

2011-11-22, 15:05	Link #621
Shino the black cros Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011	boah i cant wait till the 12th december when the new achiga hen is comming (i think the raws)

2011-11-24, 04:07	Link #622
elior Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	when saki will take off her shoes this mean she will start be serious

2011-11-25, 00:21	Link #624
Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	lol. Compared to the longass breaks and irregular scanlation schedule we had some time ago, this much is still pretty satisfying, actually. With two spinoff mangas also coming out regularly, even if the main chapters are as always pretty short, I still feel like we're getting a lot of Saki. Anybody else catch the two new Saki Biyori chapters? They are seriously cute, lol. I dunno how that author comes up with her material, 'cause even though it's obviously new material, not only does the characterization still feel pretty accurate and canonical, but it's also interesting! lol. Really good stuff.

2011-11-25, 06:12	Link #625
dingmajiao Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SG	I hate to admit but after 8 pages of Saki last month, 18 pages this month is HUGE!

2011-11-28, 10:59	Link #628
dingmajiao Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SG	I just brought the extra book for Saki (Maho teaching how do your play Mahjong with some other character data) Really interesting stuff, especially the stats to the players.. Will post the stats when I'm free..

2011-12-05, 20:34	Link #632
dingmajiao Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SG	I thought Mako was freaking high in the stats, despite only being 3/5 overall.. I guess 'Luck' is too much of a decider..

2011-12-05, 20:49	Link #633
Sol Falling Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Age: 35	Yeah, I was thinking "wth" with Mako (and Hisa) having 3s and 4s being thrown around everywhere, despite still coming behind/even with Saki/Nodoka who've got a bunch of 1s or 2s. Seems like the "overall" power level really is weighted heavily towards certain stats in particular. Still, quite interesting stuff anyway. I'm happy about Hisa being godly and getting 5/5 over Nodoka, but then I have to wonder how things will look overall when all the other schools get thrown in. Like, for example, Touka. She's a sleeping dragon for sure, probably a 5/5 no doubt. But, for Nodoka to be below her seems kinda wrong... Would you know what "latency" is supposed to mean exactly? It's Yuuki's highest stat...

2011-12-05, 21:23	Link #635
dingmajiao Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SG	I think Latency probably means Potential here..

2011-12-06, 02:21	Link #636
Chandalen Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009	latency in this case probably = latent : present and capable of emerging or developing but not now visible, obvious, active, or symptomatic <a latent infection> aka ~=potential in other terms

2011-12-06, 05:20	Link #638
FlavorOfLife Uncaring Join Date: Sep 2010	Koromo's sense is too low i think. Her ability to read the tiles is high enough for her to instinctively know who is making a high point hand. They should have used a 10 point score or higher since you can end up with a lot of 5s