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2012-10-05, 00:49 | Link #1024 | |
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Yeah, because America becoming more like some modern day European countries is so downright awful. Yup! We all know France and Austria today are just as bad as Communist China back in the 1970s or the Soviet Union back in the 1960s!
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2012-10-05, 00:54 | Link #1025 |
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And internationally it is still debatable if it is a good or bad thing. I've not decided actually. I was entirely against it a decade or so again because I was told to be against it as a hold over from the Cold War (as I grew up during the end of that era). My girlfriend at the time was a little younger and questioned "why is socialism wrong? Why was it worth fighting against?" Every answer I had came down to despotism of the communist countries and their economical rivalry with capitalism, rather than socialism itself.
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2012-10-05, 01:02 | Link #1026 |
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Darn those roads, fire/police, public education, safety nets so people don't just starve in the streets. Just horrible. Use of the word "socialism" as a derogatory says more about the user than it does about any thing else.
Oddly enough, almost all of our allies and fellow democracies seem to be outperforming us in almost every category. Well... unless a person is one of the "1%" I guess (or really the 0.01%).
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2012-10-05, 01:40 | Link #1027 |
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My question what were those services considered before Marx or even later before socialism became a bad word sometime between the 1920s and 1950s? As they are not considered socialism by those opposing socialism.
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2012-10-05, 01:44 | Link #1028 | |
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It just shows many people use the word "socialism" without having the slightest idea what it actually means. Its why we'll often see Barack called "communist/marxist/socialist/nazi/fascist" -- the users don't have the slightest clue what those words mean or that they're contradictory to apply to the same thing.
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2012-10-05, 01:57 | Link #1029 |
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The problem with Barack is that he is not nearly socialist enough. He should have gone Lenin on Romney's ass, then we have something to talk about.
Until then people can stuff it with their socialism hatred. In fact, my father who never paid any attention to politics and just started now is leaning towards Romney because he thought Obama wasn't assertive enough (sigh)...and because he is angry that Obama (or the entire US government, really) gave so much money to the big banks, who promptly stashed the cash, when people like him -- us -- suffered. I'm trying to convince him that the latter objection is going to be much, much worse under a proper Republican government, that the pressure of ridiculous health insurance we face everyday is part of what's going on, and that it's really to our family's economic disadvantage if the robber baron activity goes any further. He is not inherently anti-government, moreover he favors Obama's foreign policy (as immigrants, i.e. part of the rest of the world, we knew full well how hated Bush was by everybody not on the F'YEAH AMURIKA high), it's just that he started paying attention to this year's election politics right *at* the moment that Mr. Romney did his most dramatic chameleon shifting yet and President Obama is at his worst for some reason. |
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Oh snap, I forgot I saw something absurd today. There was a stand on the side of the road with some signs positioned around it, and some signs said "Pull over it you want to stop Obama" and I saw two signs that had Obama with a Hitler mustache shopped on his face. It is absurd. Look, I don't sing the praises for Obama, but he just ain't that bad and he is definitely no Hitler. But sure, let's all pretend he is some evil Marxist dictator that hates Disney movies and kicks puppies. I mean, that's got to be it, I mean he is a democrat, and black, and a
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2012-10-05, 02:19 | Link #1031 | |
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2012-10-05, 02:22 | Link #1032 |
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The interesting thing to me is that conservatives aren't going batshit crazy over what Romney *said* during the debate. He completely re-invented himself center-right instead of far right, rewrote history to claim he'd never said things that he is documented to have said to appease the far right. It was quite interesting:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/05/us...to-center.html I probably said a dozen times, "Oh, that'll have the far righters just going crazy ..." after a Romney line (e.g. claiming he won't cut taxes for the wealthy). My favorite moment was watching him utterly flash-bang distract from his determination not to ensure that people with pre-existing conditions be able to get insurance.
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2012-10-05, 02:25 | Link #1033 | ||
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2012-10-05, 03:19 | Link #1034 | |
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2012-10-05, 03:31 | Link #1035 | |
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For the last six months, the more I follow the election the lower the opinion I have of Americans. Not ALL Americans, but the average opinion. By last month, I have decided that America had fallen lower than Iran. There is only one hurdle left; North Korea. Americans are still on average smarter than North Koreans... I hope. You know what is disappointing? All the news media declaring "Romney Won the debate". That hurt, America. That really hurts me. Stupidity has infused itself deeper than I ever thought possible.
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2012-10-05, 04:07 | Link #1036 |
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Romney won the debate because he presented himself better. It was the moderator's task to question his lies, or Obama's moment to attack him for what he was spewing, but the fact is that this didn't happen. Romney seemed like the more confident candidate, and he had a lot more passion.
If you break down the arguments - sure, romney's 5 lies per second make his entire debate performance worthless. For the average American voter though how are they supposed to know about something like the supposed "cut" to medicare isn't really an accurate statement if neither the moderator or Obama call him out on it? I really hope Obama pushes back against Mittnocchio in the next debate. He seemed too caught off guard by the fact that Mitt would dare flip on all his positions.
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2012-10-05, 04:33 | Link #1037 | |
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You know what happens when someone can declare the sky is green and water is red? When the nation has gone completely crazy. The war on facts had been won before it even began; Romney could promise the granting of immortality and giving you the ability to shoot laser from your eyes, and Americans will just shrug it off. Americans are CRAZY! You are NOT allowed to have nukes any more. Tell you what; I am THIS close to not just predicting a collapse of America; I might just start to wish for it. I am on the precipice of deciding the world is SAFER in the hands of the Chinese and the Russians. And it pains me to say it because I HATE the Chinese government. ...Please, America. Please convince me that you are not batshit insane. I want to be wrong so very, very badly.
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I've already decided I'm probably going to convert my savings into Yen or Pounds at some point within the next few years. Just in case. No, Fox beat him to that by quite a few years. |
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2012-10-05, 07:59 | Link #1039 |
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Inside the campaign: Reinventing Mitt Romney
http://www.politico.com/news/stories...053.html?hp=t1
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2012-10-05, 08:09 | Link #1040 | |
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As for MLK, I'm certain even you have the soundness of mind to differentiate a true protest for human rights and the bratty short-sighted ignorant stupidity that "protests" these days are. Not being able to tell the difference is something I truly worry about when it comes to most people who are not doing their responsibility. |
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