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2010-01-07, 12:31 | Link #1402 |
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.........that what I said or just I didn't make it clear the left girl is kumokowa but the other two are unknown to me. Its just that below the picture their are names so I think they are their names.
vol 19 is not the final or even a turning point or is it together with vol 18. The turning point could be 20 or rather its also the climax. The vol 17-18 are dedicated to touma and vol 19 are for accelerator. I'm not sure for turning point but the 20 could be the climax. |
2010-01-07, 15:48 | Link #1403 | |
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Also, how far has the author gone into depth about how magic works in To Aru? I know Index mentioned "mana", but I don't know anything beyond that. Is magic based on angels or gods? |
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2010-01-07, 16:07 | Link #1404 |
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Here's my speculation regarding espers and gemstones and magic.
Every single human in To Aru has their own specific ability that they can develop. Level Upper revealed that even level 0's with no detectable potential had their own specific type of power. Because of the enormous possibilities a person's power could be, many times people may never discover their power simply because they never considered it. Currently, the powers most celebrated in Academy City are the more obvious ones, such as control over lightning or telepathy. Think about it: if you had a power similar to Tsuchimikado's, you might never realize it until you got severely injured. Developing your powers is extremely difficult and actually requires a lot of brain power (this is why I find "superpowers" in To Aru more convincing than other universes). If you control lightning, you actually have to study and understand the theories behind electrical activity. The seemingly simple action of sending a lightning bolt where you want to go actually has thousands of different factors. Factors such as the charge of both the target and the surrounding objects, the medium through which the lightning bolt travels and where the charge will disperse to after striking the target are required to consider. Theoretically then, every single user actually has infinite power and is only limited by how well his/her brain can multitask or the user's natural instinct. Magic power was created by people who could not realize their power or effectively use them, whether due to the limited understanding of their power or simply never discovering their power at all. Magic is based off of asking a greater power, such as an angel, to "lend" or act upon the human world. Because magic relies on the power of another creature, the mage must not have their human/esper powers developed or else he/she cannot act as a channel for the angel's power. As a result, espers cannot use magic because the creature's power would fight with the esper's own power for control, and it would end up damaging the user's body. Gemstones should not be assumed just to be "special espers". The details which we know actually are not enough to make assumptions. So far we know that gemstones are just people with powers who were born with them, but its much more probable that there is much more to being a gemstone than a genetic trait. Just my speculation so far anyways. What do you think? |
2010-01-07, 16:56 | Link #1405 |
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well so far the only known gemstone is touma, sogita and aisa.
And all of them are puzzles of their own. Aisa has deep blood. Her aim is like a scent that attracts vampire. This proves vampire exist but had anyone seen a vampire yet? no so far right? in to aru verse? so its still questionable even if aisa said it herself. I think she just said that they are attracted to her blood and die one by one in front of me. But are they really vampire? then touma his the most mysterious with his ability. Then sogita. A big puzzle himself that the scientist doesn't even know of it. And I think it can't be classified from its roots. Like kuroko being a teleporter and misaka being an electro master. His ability being super fast and has super strength or rather amazing punch. I'm not sure about the others. Its just that those gemstone are a mystery themselves but like shmaster said their are no special esper it all comes down to if you dispersed aim then your esper if not then not. Aisa and Sogita release AIM but not sure about Touma. And about infinite power of the esper........... well theirs a saying if you put your mind into it then theirs nothing impossible. BUT I think their health is also a variable on their computing ability. Having a tired and unfit body will make you hard to think and focus. About magic. Some say that magician use the power from the nature but I'm not sure about to aru because Shmaster said about the mage in to aru use powers from alienated world. Like what vent said in vol 13. About AIM and MAGIC. Even index said that magic is created to deal with esper. Maybe its just sweet talk in the surface but the truth is its created to deal with their talented people. And they say that mana and telesma are needed to use magic. Then if your not using either mana and telesma and also your not releasing aim then what are you? Like touma? |
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IMO, you should read more and speculate less. All of these are answered (at least partly) in the latter, yet untranslated novels, I believe. Speculating about the nature of saints and gemstones without even knowing their background info despite this being available in the untranslated novels is quite unproductive IMO. We should just ask the novel readers -- shmaster, Plant42, and others who escape me (tsunade666, you don't count since you're using translation software ) -- about the specifics, and I believe they'd gladly respond.
And Touma's case is so simple. He doesn't release AIM and he can't use magic because IB blocks these. So simple, right?
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2010-01-08, 00:17 | Link #1409 | |
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Also, even if you are a mage, if you try to cast magic in some high AIM density area, you'll explode too. Vent was literally dying when she tries to cast magic when Fuze=Kazakiri stand right in front to her. Also, the theory you proposed actually supports the reason why Saints, despite being "talented" can use magic. Magic do borrows power from higher beings, and the Saints are naturally born with a body that bares resemblance to a higher being (Jesus Christ, or Mary the Virgin). So, of course they can use magic if they are similiar to the very source of magic. |
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I've got it all wrong again. So the wings aren't a separate function of their AIM, but rather just an extension of their Esper ability. Quote:
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Anyway, the AIM level of Fuze=Kazakiri isn't something that can be replicated with just 2-3 Espers. We're talking about the AIM of 9969 Misaka sisters.
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2010-01-08, 07:22 | Link #1413 |
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I only read vol 7,13 and 14 and not finished the 14. Also I trust the software because I use it to play my games and surf the net though sometimes it literally drained my brain away.
And about Vent his not dead. That's one thing for sure. And also she got rescue by aqua while she is battling touma. And now she is in russia I think with sasha. So those wings are really representation of those artifial angel. Well that proves some suspicions. Poor kakine he got squash. But him being dead then the secret of accelerator and kakine will have to wait on what are those two really are. And just being a teleporter and running your aim through a mage doesn't make their heads explode. Their are not idiots that while your touching them or near on them that they wouldn't retaliate and given they retaliate with magic. Those AIM field wouldn't even count. The sheer amount of Fuze=Kazakiri's AIM is huge to the point its the result of those nearly 10000 girls. Then beside espers and saints. What could be other talent be? |
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2010-01-08, 14:03 | Link #1415 | |
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In fact, a normal AIM can't do anything like that. The one's that hurt Vent is the power of an Imaginary number school district that manifested by the appearance of Fuse=Kazakiri. But that one is still incomplete. It doesn't reach a level that will negate all magic and the existence of mage and also has a confine range, It's just cause incomplete circulation of magic power which will give damage to a spell caster and reduce their power instead. |
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2010-01-08, 17:04 | Link #1416 |
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Aiwass is needed for crowley's plan to succeed but the guy is completely neutral to this. And to summon aiwass they need the AIM field. Fuze=Kazakiri is the result of the AIM field and the reason that nearly all the misaka clones are around the world are to increase the range where Aiwass can manifest himself.
And what's level 6 to begin with? level 5 are already super powered and level 6 is absolute power. But according to tree diagram the only one can achieve it is accelerator and it wouldn't be even achievable by ordinary lifespan. Does level 6 even exist or its just another scam of crowley? knowing the real deal with the misaka clones is for someone to beat the strongest and the experiment to be stop and the clones to be distributed around the globe. |
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btw i heared about kakine's power a lot changing the mater and stuff anything that touches his wings is becoming "new matter" what is that new matter i mean turning stuff into something else would be possible for example asfalt into sand water into ice photons into killer ray's can he also form subjects as well? his power is kind of mystery
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2010-01-08, 18:20 | Link #1418 |
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turning new matter like what it says turn literally into a new type of matter.
Asphalt and sand are still know matter to earth and photons can be pretty dangerous. The most basic will be turning the sun ray into a ray that can't be block and has no vector. It just change the matter into a whole new one where the know laws of physics doesn't apply. Just like a spear that can pierce through anything. Just imagine a thing that's completely different. Where your basic knowledge doesn't apply to it. Or rather you can't define it. |
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