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james0246 · 2012-06-20, 00:05

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Mukuro123 · 2012-06-20, 04:40

Man oh man, this has to be one of my favorite chapters in a while. I was just so very close to tearing up when reading this chapter. It also raised the same old question of just whole the hell Tobi is, and what role he exactly played in this ploy.

ImperialFlameGod8190 · 2012-06-20, 05:02

this chapter was not very good it didnt give any progress to the story i mean the last 2 months instead of great battles like we thought we get the backstory of Kabuto a character who didnt need a backstory as far as im concerned and now more muddying of the Uchiha massacre one of the most important events in the series.

RRW · 2012-06-20, 05:04

so naruto end in 600?

Frenchie · 2012-06-20, 05:05

I thought this was one of the stronger chapters in a while. Also, Edo Madara is also fading away, which means Tobi has to have some sort of backup plan.

I hope.

Casshern · 2012-06-20, 05:08

Spoiler for 590:

LightMusicBand · 2012-06-20, 05:15

I do indeed enjoy this chapter, though it wasn't the best time to release the Edo Tensei. I mean, the Kages vs. Madara fight is getting really interesting. And even though most think that the kages are no match to the "perfect" Susano of Madara, still, I wouldn't want the fight to end in Madara dissolving away due to the release of the jutsu. I mean, it's like watching a really great action movie, when the bad guy is about to kill the hero, but deep in your mind you're thinking that the hero at one point will reverse the situation and eventually win, but before the climax, your pesky brother changed the channel.

You know...

haegar · 2012-06-20, 06:13

considering Itachi had the time to do quite some talking and share his memories there is a chance Madara can perform a thing or two, too before completely fading - though his waning Susano would suggest otherwise... I wonder what Tobi is gonna do now ...

The flashback I liked I got to say, maybe Itachi should have shown him that stuff a whole lot earlier, would have spared us some talk-no-jutsu along the way XD

While the Kage's seem safe now I don't see them in any state to back up Naruto so I guess that is it? Next chapter Naruto Tobi?

ronin myael · 2012-06-20, 06:14

so edo-tensei ends and we get a tender moment of bromance from the uchihas. not bad. i expected itachi to do his usual forehead flick but he kissed sasuke instead. i just found the "i will love you forever" a little cheesy though. i wonder if that's a correct translation.

it's interesting to note that itachi never claimed tobi to be madara nor did tobi claim to be madara in that flashback.

haegar · 2012-06-20, 06:16

^ well he did look very "madara style" with the hairdo though - wonder if he was crossdressing or in the past really looked the part

Eleutheria · 2012-06-20, 06:36

haven't seen the raw, but there is probably something lost in translation in the last line.

In Japanese/Chinese, it's really easy to tell from context that love does not necessarily mean romantic love. In Greek there are many words for different kinds of love (eros = erotic love, agape = unconditional love etc)

But in English, and especially in the world of manga, the word "love" is really tainted with romantic connotations, so much so that whenever the word appears people immediately think "ooo Sasuke x Itachi" instead of sibling/familial love.

holybell84 · 2012-06-20, 07:57

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Originally Posted by Eleutheria

haven't seen the raw, but there is probably something lost in translation in the last line.

In Japanese/Chinese, it's really easy to tell from context that love does not necessarily mean romantic love. In Greek there are many words for different kinds of love (eros = erotic love, agape = unconditional love etc)

But in English, and especially in the world of manga, the word "love" is really tainted with romantic connotations, so much so that whenever the word appears people immediately think "ooo Sasuke x Itachi" instead of sibling/familial love.

The translators used the literal meaning, since in the raw, Itachi did say" aishiteru"

Rurik · 2012-06-20, 07:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eleutheria

But in English, and especially in the world of manga, the word "love" is really tainted with romantic connotations, so much so that whenever the word appears people immediately think "ooo Sasuke x Itachi" instead of sibling/familial love.

Maybe some Naruto fans have read one too many Hentai fanfic. While the "love you" does sound corny and cliche, a serious reader would understand the context of love here.

ronin myael · 2012-06-20, 08:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rurik

Maybe some Naruto fans have read one too many Hentai fanfic. While the "love you" does sound corny and cliche, a serious reader would understand the context of love here.

in japanese culture they rarely say "i love you" though. even in love confessions they often use "suki" or "dai suki" which means like. they rarely say "aishiteru". it's even rarer for siblings or family members to say "i love you" to each other. i'm just curious about itachi's exact words.

yakumo-chan · 2012-06-20, 08:23

The story of this chapter was great,
although the parents saying "we are proud of you" and "I understand" while Itachi is killing them was stupid

Shay · 2012-06-20, 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by ronin myael

in japanese culture they rarely say "i love you" though. even in love confessions they often use "suki" or "dai suki" which means like. they rarely say "aishiteru". it's even rarer for siblings or family members to say "i love you" to each other. i'm just curious about itachi's exact words.

He is telling his little brother that he loves him...Simple as that.

Discerptor · 2012-06-20, 09:03

One of my favorite parts of the chapter was the dynamic between Danzou and Hiruzen. This whole time, we have kind of assumed that Hiruzen was this big softy and saving Sasuke was something that he was primarily responsible for. But now we learn that not only did Hiruzen not object to the idea of killing children (he merely thought it was cruel to discuss it in front of Itachi), but it was Danzou that offered Itachi the initial chance to save Sasuke, who otherwise would have been killed if the situation escalated to the point where Hiruzen had to destroy the clan to protect the village. So while it's true that Hiruzen did everything he could to solve the problem through diplomacy first, this should put to rest all the murmurs around here suggesting that the Uchiha massacre was somehow proof that he was a weak leader allowing an action he was against. He was fully aware of how necessary it was, and he was willing to kill the children for the village's safety. Not quite the sweet old grandpa we're used to.

ri.kenji · 2012-06-20, 09:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frenchie

I thought this was one of the stronger chapters in a while. Also, Edo Madara is also fading away, which means Tobi has to have some sort of backup plan.

I hope.

Madara still has a shot at being resurrected since the jutsu was merely cancelled. Kabuto is pretty much in a vulnerable state, and if Sasuke doesn't kill him, Tobi could learn to use edo tensei. If the hokage seal him first, however, he'd be gone for good.

kitten320 · 2012-06-20, 09:27

Maybe that will make Sasuke less revenge directed since Itachi had a free choice of what to so. No one forced him to kill Uchiha, it was a free choice.

Kafriel · 2012-06-20, 09:37

I bet the author loved the chapter

Well, it was good, mainly for showing things a bit different this time around and explaining what really happened with Shisui, which has been due many many chapters now. Looking forward to the rest of this...

2012-06-20, 00:05	Link #1
james0246 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: East Cupcake	[Manga] Naruto Chapter 590 Discussion Welcome to the weekly manga chapter discussion thread. This thread is created early to discuss spoilers and speculation about the upcoming chapter as well as discussion of said chapter once it has been released. As per the forums rules, please don't ask for or mention about where to download the (licensed) manga. Also remember not to post or link to any translations of the manga, since this is illegal as well. Posting a synopses or summary is fine (and welcome) but please do not discuss scans, raws, translation groups, etc. Additionally, if you are posting someone else's synopsis (or their translation of a synopsis), then please provide credit were credit is due. Remember that the manga is licensed, do not post significant parts of the chapter. This stands for pictures and direct translations. Summaries are OK, crops of pictures are OK as well if you want to illustrate your point but this is it. --- It's a new week, so that means new Naruto spoilers...which are now released. Last edited by james0246; 2012-06-20 at 07:51.

2012-06-20, 05:05	Link #5
Frenchie Shougi Génération Graphic Designer Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 37	I thought this was one of the stronger chapters in a while. Also, Edo Madara is also fading away, which means Tobi has to have some sort of backup plan. I hope. __________________ Wikileaks - Animesuki, what you would do, might do, or did to make your voice heard.

2012-06-20, 05:08	Link #6
Casshern Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004	Spoiler for 590: Awesome chapter. We finally got our Uchiha reunion! Wonder if this might unlock a new technique for Sasuke. Kishi hasn't written something this good in a while and totally justified Sasuke's encounter with Itachi this time around imo. No doubt this will amplify Sasuke's pain of loss, and I hope it doesn't drive him batshit crazy. Rather, I'd like to see him move forward with his revenge with a clearer mind, now that he knows the whole story.

2012-06-20, 05:15	Link #7
LightMusicBand To the salt mines Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: God Knows...	I do indeed enjoy this chapter, though it wasn't the best time to release the Edo Tensei. I mean, the Kages vs. Madara fight is getting really interesting. And even though most think that the kages are no match to the "perfect" Susano of Madara, still, I wouldn't want the fight to end in Madara dissolving away due to the release of the jutsu. I mean, it's like watching a really great action movie, when the bad guy is about to kill the hero, but deep in your mind you're thinking that the hero at one point will reverse the situation and eventually win, but before the climax, your pesky brother changed the channel. You know... __________________ My YouTube Channel and Soundcloud "I swear my allegiance under the Red Cloud Organization, for all things Light and Fluffy"...

2012-06-20, 06:13	Link #8
haegar mangaviking Join Date: Jun 2009	considering Itachi had the time to do quite some talking and share his memories there is a chance Madara can perform a thing or two, too before completely fading - though his waning Susano would suggest otherwise... I wonder what Tobi is gonna do now ... The flashback I liked I got to say, maybe Itachi should have shown him that stuff a whole lot earlier, would have spared us some talk-no-jutsu along the way XD While the Kage's seem safe now I don't see them in any state to back up Naruto so I guess that is it? Next chapter Naruto Tobi? __________________

2012-06-20, 04:40	Link #2
Mukuro123 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2012	Man oh man, this has to be one of my favorite chapters in a while. I was just so very close to tearing up when reading this chapter. It also raised the same old question of just whole the hell Tobi is, and what role he exactly played in this ploy.

2012-06-20, 05:02	Link #3
ImperialFlameGod8190 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	this chapter was not very good it didnt give any progress to the story i mean the last 2 months instead of great battles like we thought we get the backstory of Kabuto a character who didnt need a backstory as far as im concerned and now more muddying of the Uchiha massacre one of the most important events in the series.

2012-06-20, 06:14	Link #9
ronin myael lost ronin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: in the recesses of my convoluted mind...	so edo-tensei ends and we get a tender moment of bromance from the uchihas. not bad. i expected itachi to do his usual forehead flick but he kissed sasuke instead. i just found the "i will love you forever" a little cheesy though. i wonder if that's a correct translation. it's interesting to note that itachi never claimed tobi to be madara nor did tobi claim to be madara in that flashback. __________________ "Sometimes you wake up. Sometimes the fall kills you. And sometimes, when you fall, you fly."~ Neil Gaiman (The Sandman)

2012-06-20, 06:16	Link #10
haegar mangaviking Join Date: Jun 2009	^ well he did look very "madara style" with the hairdo though - wonder if he was crossdressing or in the past really looked the part __________________

2012-06-20, 06:36	Link #11
Eleutheria 旅行癖 Join Date: Nov 2003	haven't seen the raw, but there is probably something lost in translation in the last line. In Japanese/Chinese, it's really easy to tell from context that love does not necessarily mean romantic love. In Greek there are many words for different kinds of love (eros = erotic love, agape = unconditional love etc) But in English, and especially in the world of manga, the word "love" is really tainted with romantic connotations, so much so that whenever the word appears people immediately think "ooo Sasuke x Itachi" instead of sibling/familial love. __________________ ロースクールに入ったから、アニメはもはやこれまでかな… 日本語のレベルも段々退歩してるし～

2012-06-20, 08:23	Link #15
yakumo-chan Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Behind You! Age: 33	The story of this chapter was great, although the parents saying "we are proud of you" and "I understand" while Itachi is killing them was stupid __________________

2012-06-20, 09:03	Link #17
Discerptor ANIUE!111 Join Date: Oct 2006	One of my favorite parts of the chapter was the dynamic between Danzou and Hiruzen. This whole time, we have kind of assumed that Hiruzen was this big softy and saving Sasuke was something that he was primarily responsible for. But now we learn that not only did Hiruzen not object to the idea of killing children (he merely thought it was cruel to discuss it in front of Itachi), but it was Danzou that offered Itachi the initial chance to save Sasuke, who otherwise would have been killed if the situation escalated to the point where Hiruzen had to destroy the clan to protect the village. So while it's true that Hiruzen did everything he could to solve the problem through diplomacy first, this should put to rest all the murmurs around here suggesting that the Uchiha massacre was somehow proof that he was a weak leader allowing an action he was against. He was fully aware of how necessary it was, and he was willing to kill the children for the village's safety. Not quite the sweet old grandpa we're used to.

2012-06-20, 09:27	Link #19
kitten320 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007	Maybe that will make Sasuke less revenge directed since Itachi had a free choice of what to so. No one forced him to kill Uchiha, it was a free choice. __________________ My anime list

2012-06-20, 09:37	Link #20
Kafriel Senior Guest Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Athens (GMT+2) Age: 35	I bet the author loved the chapter Well, it was good, mainly for showing things a bit different this time around and explaining what really happened with Shisui, which has been due many many chapters now. Looking forward to the rest of this...