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Eneis Lobby was strong. Baroque Works was average strong. Skypiea organization was strong as well. The only reason they lost was because they fought against Luffy and his bad ass crew |
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2009-05-13, 21:38 | Link #82 |
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Baroque Works were really strong if you think about how Croc built it.
Skypiea was weak as Enel didnt even care about the well being of his organization(croc did care as they were a useful tool) Enel's Big ego about being God was his downfall after all he was a human who just ate some good Fruit. I enjoyed when He got Reject from Waiper totally deserved it, and of course Oda stating there are crzay strong people in Blue sea, that he cannot rule the Blue sea. Anyway I find Enies Lobby being taken down was thanks to Spendam who accidentally called Buster Call which end up being a terrible mistake... |
2009-05-13, 21:40 | Link #83 |
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^You misunderstood my point. I do think those various groups and organization (and locations) were strong, rather I was pointing out a serious flaw in Phenomenal's logic: the fact that nearly every arc has progressed in a similar fashion where the introduction makes everyone appear godly, but subsequent chapters show that Luffy and company are more than up to the task of defeating the current opponents.
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2009-05-13, 22:15 | Link #85 | ||
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2009-05-14, 02:16 | Link #86 | ||
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In the end, the minority is what counts (in terms of credibility) since they are actually important to the plot of the story. ID, being the world's most dangerous and feared fortress, has lost a lot of credibility by only being able to deal with cannon fodder. If the staff were able to subdue these few powerhouses, the image of ID would not be tarnished. Since that is not the case, ID's threat factor has gone way down. Imagine if an emperor arbitrarily wanted to break in so that he could recruit some prisoners to join his crew. The ID staff would be completely helpless should they try to him. Quote:
By the way, you have really good points marvelB. I'm just providing an argument on the other side of the fence. That's all.
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2009-05-14, 02:31 | Link #87 |
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^Hmm, You are discounting the fact that it takes an extreme amount of power to get through the seemingly thousands of Marines stationed outside Impel Down (and the dozens to hundreds of gigantic Sea Kings), not to mention the fact that only the Marines seem to have the large scale technology to travel in the Calm Belt. Luffy managed to bypass everything by riding aboard Hancock (Blackbeard managed to bypass eveything by riding aboard a Marine ship). Any invading force would have to first get to the jail, then defeat the outside guards, then break through the doors, all of this before they can have the chance to battle down through 5 floors just to get to the Level 6 pirates, and by that time, they would have encountered Magellan (who is probably great at crowd control) and possibly Shiryuu.
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2009-05-14, 04:04 | Link #88 |
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i dont undertand how pepole right that enies lobby was weak,that one of the best arcs in one piece so far,and defintly with the most strongest ppl...
dont forget that luffy is a crazy dude hehe,and just bcos he beat lucci dosent mean lucci is weak cos he isnt,its just means luffy is stronger thats all,same with crocodile,luffy beat him but he is still a strong guy... skypia sure enel wasnt that much like lucci or crocodile but still very cool arc. and sabody park,well kizaru and the 11th supernovas and the kuma copy... |
2009-05-14, 06:28 | Link #89 |
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and btw,in the alabsta arc,luffy lost to crocodile 2 times,and if robin didnt helpd him he would be pretty much out of one piece...
and in cp he lost to rob lucci once,and with out the going merry shipmafter the fight with lucci he coudnt move an inch... and with enel its not realy fair,cos luffy was enel naturl opnent,the one he can never beat,like smoker and luffy... |
2009-05-14, 09:12 | Link #90 |
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I wonder what Blackbeard wants other than maybe accessing Crocodile's knowledge. If not this, then there must be someone else important enough for Blackbeard to make his move that may jeopardize his situation. Though, it would be too much to expect from him to fight against Whitebeard, when Whitebeard is in full power. And I don't think he is someone who cares about meeting him and fighting against him either. That is Whitebeard and WG's fight, the fight he set up. So, he can sit back and enjoy and take care of his other plans. But I still wonder what kind of plan he may have to completely destroy the WG organization, after they lose significant power as a result of the Whitebeard fight.
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2009-05-14, 10:20 | Link #91 | ||
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In fact it could be very possible that BB joined the WG crew just for the purpose of gathering power and information, and this is his statement of that, It makes little sense that he wants to be Pirate King while been a Government lap dog, and he is the type of character that doesn’t stay much under the control of others (he did it against WB, shouldn’t be long until he do it against WG, this could be the start) Quote:
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2009-05-14, 10:23 | Link #92 |
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Enel was a very strong person, I mean even Silver Raleigh would have trouble fighting him. Its just Luffy´s fruit power was most likely the only power in the world that could counter Enel´s power. Which made Luffy, Enel´s natural enemy. Haki could maybe defeat Enel but still unknown since he went too the moon.
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2009-05-14, 10:27 | Link #93 |
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Where it is my opinion that Enel has been the most broken character shown so far in the Manga, not because of his Fruit power, but the combination of the fruit power (which elemental weakness was Luffy’s power) and his mastery of the already broken Mantra.
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2009-05-14, 10:28 | Link #94 |
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Y'know, now that the HQ scans are out, I'm starting to lean back towards Lafitte being a Zoan. It looks like he turned his arms into wings (notice how the sleeves of his shirt look empty). I sorta figured that he would sprout the wings from his back if he had a Paramecia power, but I guess we have to wait a bit until we get confirmation on exactly what fruit he ate.....
Heh, Iva uses "Hell Wink" on the bluegoris. He and his tranny army stayed behind to take on Saldeath's forces while Luffy's team went on ahead. At least we saw some display of the guardians' strength before they were all KO'ED (according to the newkamas, guns and cannons are ineffective against them). I still wished those guys lasted a little longer, though..... I love their designs. Oh well. BTW, I was rather amused by those goofy little face portraits on the ID diagram. And one more thing I'm curious about..... I can understand how Shiryuu got his cigar (obviously the other jailors gave it to him), but I wonder where Crocodile got his cigar?! Did he swipe it from the same place he got his pimp coat (commissary)?! |
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2009-05-14, 10:46 | Link #96 |
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BTW, now that Blackbeard's crew is at ID, I hope we see something from Jesus Burgess. I mean, I know that he's super-strong and all (not surprising since he's got a luchador motif and is even nicknamed "Champion"), but I'm just hoping that we see a little something more, y'know? Like maybe he reveals some crazy DF power (preferably Paramecia) or something.....
Oh, and it's great to see that Teach is growing a nice little beard now. He's definitely living up to his moniker quite well. |
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Example, Hancock needed to keep in hush that she is the one responsibly for Luffy been inside Impel down, now sir, if she weren’t a Government Lap Dog, why doesn’t she go and tell the WG straight in their face “HAH, I did it!!!!!!!!” Now, Jimbei in the other hand stopped been one because he was strongly against what they wanted, and hence looked what happened to him. he is cool....remind me of a poster with he same name..whatever happened to him.... BTW, Why you said that everyone in the ENET is surprised at BB action? Weren’t you surprised as well that he is here? I can say I wasn’t, but that’s because this is an Oda Manga, and he is wacky enough to make Enel pop up any minute now.
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