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Jays · 2007-05-31, 16:57

He was a former captain, that we know as much, his comment about how captain level Shinigami have to control the size of their zanpakto. There is also the matter of the white coat. Which is tough to explain because there is no insignia to tell us what squad he used to command.

Although it is plausible that he might be from the Royal Gaurd, I doubt that they have the exact same uniforms as the shinigami. I got the idea that perhaps he turned his captains coat backwards to hide the insignia since he was no longer part of the SS, but I looked back at the episode and realized that there are those markings on the lower part of his coat that all captains have.

Time will tell, I get the feeling that once we get closer to the winter war, more background information about Isshin will given out.

Opayk · 2007-05-31, 17:32

When does he say that he was a former captain? Because what he said doesn't necessarily point to that. It is possible that Urahara told him that near the beginning of their training, if that theory is true.

You could be onto something Zanar, I don't see why not.

ashez2ashes · 2007-05-31, 17:51

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Originally Posted by Geta Boshi

Its just inhibits leatsu of a shingami, then merging with the user's soul stripping her/him of shinigami powers . Also its untraceable due leatsu inhibition (ie Rukia ) . How can that remotely effect well being of SS as compared to Hogyoku . Is that good enough of a reason to banish/exile somone that to a Taicho rank Officer

Maybe the King of SS used the special gigai to disapear, and so the bigwigs used Urahara as a scape goat when there was a public uproar? It would fit with the Ishin is the SS King theory.

Urahara: Remember that time you stole my protype gigai, disapeared to earth, and I got blamed for it?

Isshin: Ohhhh yeeeah. Good times. Good times.

Jays · 2007-05-31, 23:23

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Originally Posted by Opayk

When does he say that he was a former captain? Because what he said doesn't necessarily point to that. It is possible that Urahara told him that near the beginning of their training, if that theory is true.

You could be onto something Zanar, I don't see why not.

Although he didn't explecitly say he was, he mentions to Grand Fisher about the comperative size of their zanpaktos, how a captain has to control the size of his.
Not only that, but why would he be wearing the captain's coat?

Yondaime-The Fourth · 2007-06-01, 04:23

you know what would be really far fetch'd. ok i didnt do any background research but Im just gonna thorw this out for fun...sorta. what if the previous 11th captain was Isshin. that would mean that Kanpachi KILLED HIM! A ha. but i seriously doubt it. it would be horribly funny tho.

zanar · 2007-06-01, 08:32

Well, if my theory does hold, then as mentioned before maybe Urahara gave him his coat as a symbolic gesture that he's attained captain level?

ILikeSquiReLz · 2007-06-01, 14:24

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Originally Posted by zanar

I was just reading this thread and I was wondering if it's possible that Isshin did to Urahara what Ichigo did to Rukia? That is, taking his abilities. I mean, if this is so, then Urahara could have trained Isshin himself, which then explains why the other shinigami don't know who he is. After all, having history repeat itself isn't uncommon in animes. Naruto, for example, has Team 7 following the footsteps of the Sannin.

The only problem about this theory is the captain's coat Isshin had on his shoulder though. But then again, maybe Urahara gave it to him. We haven't seen Urahara wearing his coat before.

(p.s. this is my first post. please don't be too harsh if my theory is way off the mark!

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Welcome to the forum. Any theory is as is a theory and it's as good as any until the real answers come to play. It's good to give the fans something to talk about while we wait for a new episode. Don't let other people get to you even if they have personal views that are different. It's just the way it is, always bad apples out there no matter where you go.

I like your theory; it could very well be a possibility.

4got10 · 2007-10-29, 11:46

i believe Isshin Kurosaki is the former 11th squad captain
coz on previous episodes they didnt said any information regarding the 11th squad,

11th squad captain = isshin kurosaki
troops = vaizards

what do u think?

ILikeSquiReLz · 2007-10-29, 15:42

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Originally Posted by 4got10

i believe Isshin Kurosaki is the former 11th squad captain
coz on previous episodes they didnt said any information regarding the 11th squad,

11th squad captain = isshin kurosaki
troops = vaizards

what do u think?

I like this theory, kind of kills the idea that Kenpachi killed him though. I would like to maybe add something.

Original Captains trained by Oldman commander (Yamamoto).

Hats (Urahara)
Cat woman (Yoruichi)
Sickly (Ukitake)
Pervy (Kyoraku)
Wiggy (Aizen)
Funny (Isshin)

Others are ??

Ideas are great they can be altered as new factual evidence manifest. Keep them coming!

_Mod_Konpaku_ · 2007-10-29, 18:45

It's scary enough that isshin is a shinigami..

Goshin · 2007-10-30, 08:43

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Originally Posted by 4got10

i believe Isshin Kurosaki is the former 11th squad captain
coz on previous episodes they didnt said any information regarding the 11th squad,

11th squad captain = isshin kurosaki
troops = vaizards

what do u think?

i think if he was a captain he would most likely be the captain of hitsugaya's squasd (don't remember number) i say this because hitsugaya is relatively a very new captain.

Placid_Thunder_Cloud · 2007-10-30, 11:53

Isshin being former 10th squad... I don't think so... because, Hitsugaya has only been a captain not so long ago... if Isshin is the former captain, alot of shinigamis would be really familiar with him...

He should be hundreds of years older... he should be with Ukitake and Shunsui's batch

Jarkeler · 2007-10-30, 13:30

He could have left Soul Society slash renounced his position as captain of whichever squad when Urahara was removed from Soul Society when he created his advanced gigai's?

Darias128 · 2007-10-30, 21:28

Spoiler for Bleach, The Truth Behind Isshin:

JackRydden224 · 2007-10-30, 21:40

I think that Kurosaki isn't Isshin's original name, he probably adopted Misaki's family name. If Kurosaki was his original name, then the SS people would most likely make the Ichigo-Isshin connection.

Isshin could very well be the former 10th squad captain, not because Hitsugaya is relatively new captain but because Ryuken knows him. If Ryuken knows Isshin, that means Isshin left SS quite recently.

MAQI · 2007-10-30, 22:08

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Originally Posted by JackRydden224

I think that Kurosaki isn't Isshin's original name, he probably adopted Misaki's family name. If Kurosaki was his original name, then the SS people would most likely make the Ichigo-Isshin connection.

Isshin could very well be the former 10th squad captain, not because Hitsugaya is relatively new captain but because Ryuken knows him. If Ryuken knows Isshin, that means Isshin left SS quite recently.

Thats a good theory, but about him being the former squad 10 captain, I don't know. Ryuken could have met him on earth after Isshin had been there for a long time. Though Rangiku has not seen him, so maybe... so many questions so few answers!!!!!!!

WhiteWings · 2007-10-31, 01:56

Well, it'll be nice to see Isshin Kurosaki and Ryuken Ishida to come into the spolight action with both arms swinging. They're potentially too good to just sit in the sidelines forever.

Naruto_spartan · 2007-10-31, 08:11

Perhaps Isshin was someone of higher status then any of the shinigami. And his wife was actually a very important figureas well. Ichigo maybe doesn't look at all like his mother of father because he is not their natural son. Maybe Ichigo is prince or King who was in danger and thus was saved by Uehara, Yoruichi and Isshin and came to Earth and remainded close to protect him.

MAQI · 2007-10-31, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Naruto_spartan

Perhaps Isshin was someone of higher status then any of the shinigami. And his wife was actually a very important figureas well. Ichigo maybe doesn't look at all like his mother of father because he is not their natural son. Maybe Ichigo is prince or King who was in danger and thus was saved by Uehara, Yoruichi and Isshin and came to Earth and remainded close to protect him.

That would explain why isshin treats him the way he does and treats his girls better, because they are his biological children. I never thought of it that way. Maybe that means ichigo has a key to the king inside him?

Agallion · 2007-10-31, 10:58

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Originally Posted by Naruto_spartan

Perhaps Isshin was someone of higher status then any of the shinigami. And his wife was actually a very important figureas well. Ichigo maybe doesn't look at all like his mother of father because he is not their natural son. Maybe Ichigo is prince or King who was in danger and thus was saved by Uehara, Yoruichi and Isshin and came to Earth and remainded close to protect him.

You would think yammamoto would know this if was the case =/.

Its my personal theory that Isshin came down with Urahara, and was the orignal test dummy for the super hide gaigai to hide the hogokoyu, And just recently has he started to recover his spirit power.

I belive he was either the 12th squad LT or 10 squad captain.

2007-10-30, 21:28	Link #114
Darias128 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	Truth Behind Isshin Spoiler for Bleach, The Truth Behind Isshin: According to a friend who is in the really high episodes Issin is the most powerfull SoulReaper who ever lived. But, when he escaped the soul society he hide his powers so noone could find him. Also, Ichigo has such high spirit powers because Isshin and Ichigo's Mother both had high spirit powers, though only Isshin was a SoulReaper at one time.

2007-10-31, 01:56	Link #117
WhiteWings Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Santa Clara, California	Well, it'll be nice to see Isshin Kurosaki and Ryuken Ishida to come into the spolight action with both arms swinging. They're potentially too good to just sit in the sidelines forever. __________________ "Have you ever noticed that anybody driving slower than you is an idiot, and anybody driving faster is a maniac?" – *George Carlin*

2007-05-31, 16:57	Link #101
Jays Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hockey Nation	He was a former captain, that we know as much, his comment about how captain level Shinigami have to control the size of their zanpakto. There is also the matter of the white coat. Which is tough to explain because there is no insignia to tell us what squad he used to command. Although it is plausible that he might be from the Royal Gaurd, I doubt that they have the exact same uniforms as the shinigami. I got the idea that perhaps he turned his captains coat backwards to hide the insignia since he was no longer part of the SS, but I looked back at the episode and realized that there are those markings on the lower part of his coat that all captains have. Time will tell, I get the feeling that once we get closer to the winter war, more background information about Isshin will given out.

2007-05-31, 17:32	Link #102
Opayk Right Arm of the Giant Join Date: May 2007 Location: UK Age: 34	When does he say that he was a former captain? Because what he said doesn't necessarily point to that. It is possible that Urahara told him that near the beginning of their training, if that theory is true. You could be onto something Zanar, I don't see why not.

2007-06-01, 04:23	Link #105
Yondaime-The Fourth Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: america Age: 33	you know what would be really far fetch'd. ok i didnt do any background research but Im just gonna thorw this out for fun...sorta. what if the previous 11th captain was Isshin. that would mean that Kanpachi KILLED HIM! A ha. but i seriously doubt it. it would be horribly funny tho.

2007-06-01, 08:32	Link #106
zanar Member Join Date: May 2007	Well, if my theory does hold, then as mentioned before maybe Urahara gave him his coat as a symbolic gesture that he's attained captain level?

2007-10-29, 11:46	Link #108
4got10 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	i believe Isshin Kurosaki is the former 11th squad captain coz on previous episodes they didnt said any information regarding the 11th squad, 11th squad captain = isshin kurosaki troops = vaizards what do u think?

2007-10-29, 18:45	Link #110
_Mod_Konpaku_ Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007	It's scary enough that isshin is a shinigami..

2007-10-30, 11:53	Link #112
Placid_Thunder_Cloud Member Join Date: Sep 2007	Isshin being former 10th squad... I don't think so... because, Hitsugaya has only been a captain not so long ago... if Isshin is the former captain, alot of shinigamis would be really familiar with him... He should be hundreds of years older... he should be with Ukitake and Shunsui's batch

2007-10-30, 13:30	Link #113
Jarkeler Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Age: 36	He could have left Soul Society slash renounced his position as captain of whichever squad when Urahara was removed from Soul Society when he created his advanced gigai's?

2007-10-30, 21:40	Link #115
JackRydden224 Knight of Twelve's Knight Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Orange County	I think that Kurosaki isn't Isshin's original name, he probably adopted Misaki's family name. If Kurosaki was his original name, then the SS people would most likely make the Ichigo-Isshin connection. Isshin could very well be the former 10th squad captain, not because Hitsugaya is relatively new captain but because Ryuken knows him. If Ryuken knows Isshin, that means Isshin left SS quite recently.

2007-10-31, 08:11	Link #118
Naruto_spartan epic hero Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In a place in the mountins of Europe, a place where legends still spring in the world of modern man.	Perhaps Isshin was someone of higher status then any of the shinigami. And his wife was actually a very important figureas well. Ichigo maybe doesn't look at all like his mother of father because he is not their natural son. Maybe Ichigo is prince or King who was in danger and thus was saved by Uehara, Yoruichi and Isshin and came to Earth and remainded close to protect him.