(L) Kara No Kyokai

[OceanBlue]

Obviously, Ryougi's unusual, but as far as I know, the sword's accumulated age has something to do with it as well, and I think that's what the comment was referring to.

[Taiyakikung]

I really want to read chapter 5.Can't wait for the Baka-tsuki translation.

[Yu Ominae]

Do the tracks in the OST have names on them?

[Sakuya]

Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

Do the tracks in the OST have names on them?

Nope, no names.

[musashiken]

Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

Do the tracks in the OST have names on them?

I think they do. At least I remembered that the soundtrack cds included in the dvd limited editions have got a piece of paper with track listing. Then again, they could just be nameless and just numbered. Need to go back home and check them out.

Unless you're talking about a separate OST. The only soundtrack cds I know of are the ones included in each of the 3 movie dvds that I bought.

[Sakuya]

I remember the composer writing in her blog for the first OST mentioning that she does not have names for them, instead she used M00 where 00 are numbers. I think it's the same for the others.

[velvet]

Just watched all 3 movies, 1 at a day, 3 days straight, starting with the third

Insanely beautiful, whatever that may means. I was like hypnotized and kept repeating the scene where Shiki flew between buildings in the 1st movie.

A few questions though;

Spoiler:

1.I remembered reading somewhere that Shiki could not inflict death with ballistic weapon such as arrow, but in the 1st movie Shiki just threw her knife on one of the ghost, and it dissapeared ?

2. So if Fujino indeed having a personal doctor checking up on her periodically, how come she hid her being violated for about 6 months from her doctor?

Edit; Just wondering, since Fujino

Spoiler:

survived, and its impossible to cure her pain insensitivity. (Pain insens Cured = Power return)
What if Touko created another Magangoroshi and have her used it? That way she could be cured and still having limiter on her power (if her power is also a Mystic Eye)

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by velvet

Just watched all 3 movies, 1 at a day, 3 days straight, starting with the third

Insanely beautiful, whatever that may means. I was like hypnotized and kept repeating the scene where Shiki flew between buildings in the 1st movie.

A few questions though;

Spoiler:

1.I remembered reading somewhere that Shiki could not inflict death with ballistic weapon such as arrow, but in the 1st movie Shiki just threw her knife on one of the ghost, and it dissapeared ?

2. So if Fujino indeed having a personal doctor checking up on her periodically, how come she hid her being violated for about 6 months from her doctor?

Edit; Just wondering, since Fujino

Spoiler:

survived, and its impossible to cure her pain insensitivity. (Pain insens Cured = Power return)
What if Touko created another Magangoroshi and have her used it? That way she could be cured and still having limiter on her power (if her power is also a Mystic Eye)

Spoiler:

Fujino's power is not a mystic eye. It is inherited form the Asagami family. The eyes just allow her focus on who/what she wants to bend, but with clairyvionce she doesn't even need that as she can see the target in her mind.

[Cat Megex]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Spoiler:

Fujino's power is not a mystic eye. It is inherited form the Asagami family. The eyes just allow her focus on who/what she wants to bend, but with clairyvionce she doesn't even need that as she can see the target in her mind.

...Here's another Fujino question relating to that:

Spoiler:

What exactly is the range of her clairvoyance?

[Yu Ominae]

It didn't say, but Fujino can even extend it to far away, with the bridge (Good luck to the city and the police explaining how it got damaged...) as an example.

[Clarste]

Originally Posted by Yu Ominae

It didn't say, but Fujino can even extend it to far away, with the bridge (Good luck to the city and the police explaining how it got damaged...) as an example.

The bridge wasn't far away, they were inside the bridge. Oh, and episode one has a news report mentioning that they're still investigating the "mysterious bridge collapse from a month ago" but assume that it was a structural flaw or something like that.

[Yu Ominae]

I was thinking about the range of Fujino's psychic bending, but thanks...

[Taiyakikung]

How strong is Fujino with Clairvoyance compared to Servants? I think she might be able to kill some servants like saber or Archer with them not knowing about it.

[Alaya]

Originally Posted by velvet

A few questions though;

Spoiler:

1.I remembered reading somewhere that Shiki could not inflict death with ballistic weapon such as arrow, but in the 1st movie Shiki just threw her knife on one of the ghost, and it dissapeared ?

2. So if Fujino indeed having a personal doctor checking up on her periodically, how come she hid her being violated for about 6 months from her doctor?

Spoiler for Answers:

I'm not quite sure about the first question so I might need to check it out. But I don't remember reading what you said though (but it still possible that she can only interact with death directly).

For the second question, that's because Fujino doesn't feel that what they did is a bad thing. As the touching sense is the same sense of the feeling of pain, she doesn't have sexual feeling or feeling of touching anything too. If you live like that for most of your life, your mind would start to become insensitive too so she doesn't know about what is to feel. She knows only to act about the reaction she should make (like Shiki, who's empty after her awake from coma and can live only act like her old self).

In the movie, it doesn't state much about this but in the book, it's cleary said that she never knows about pain and cannot differentiate happiness and irritation. She mistook what she felt when she kills people to be irritation and tell herself that she doesn't like to kill but what she feels is in fact what we could call happiness. She said that she had never felt as alive as when she feels pain.

The point of this chapter is that she tied the killing (and her power) with pain and tied the pain with happiness (mix with feeling of being alive). It's not a one way feeling but rather a two ways. She kills because she was in pain but also she will forever in pain because she still want to kill more (to feel more pain and thus, to feels that she's alive.) Also in the book, she finally understand what pain truly is and what sins she had committed. That's why her deep desire to kill is vanished along with her sensitivity to pain (that's why Shiki spared her).

Edit; Just wondering, since Fujino

Spoiler:

survived, and its impossible to cure her pain insensitivity. (Pain insens Cured = Power return)
What if Touko created another Magangoroshi and have her used it? That way she could be cured and still having limiter on her power (if her power is also a Mystic Eye)

Spoiler for Fujino's power:

Like Xellos, I don't think her power is a magan (mystic eyes). Oh, Fujino in the movie is also weaker than in the book. In the novel, Fujino can bend TWO thing at the same time, one twist to the left and another to the right. This shows that she's powerful since most people can only operate one special power at a time, while she can operate two (one left twisting and one right twisting). This doesn't count magecraft since that's not a special power but is an art that all people can learn (though there's someone without talent like Emiya Shirou).

And actually, her pain insensitivity is not exactly cured throughout the movie. If you look closely, the only thing that she can feel is the pain at her stomach, which she believe is where she was stabbed by a knife. She still doesn't feel pain or anything at other parts of her body.

Spoiler for Side note:

And actually things are reversed from what we think. Her power is not awaken because she start to feel pain again, but she start to feel pain because her power is awaken by someone.

[velvet]

@alaya
Not exactly ballistic weapon, but I do remember that the lines/points can onl be activated via direct contact.. or so I think.

Originally Posted by Alaya

Spoiler for Answers:

For the second question, that's because Fujino doesn't feel that what they did is a bad thing. As the touching sense is the same sense of the feeling of pain, she doesn't have sexual feeling or feeling of touching anything too. If you live like that for most of your life, your mind would start to become insensitive too so she doesn't know about what is to feel. She knows only to act about the reaction she should make (like Shiki, who's empty after her awake from coma and can live only act like her old self).

In the movie, it doesn't state much about this but in the book, it's cleary said that she never knows about pain and cannot differentiate happiness and irritation. She mistook what she felt when she kills people to be irritation and tell herself that she doesn't like to kill but what she feels is in fact what we could call happiness. She said that she had never felt as alive as when she feels pain.

The point of this chapter is that she tied the killing (and her power) with pain and tied the pain with happiness (mix with feeling of being alive). It's not a one way feeling but rather a two ways. She kills because she was in pain but also she will forever in pain because she still want to kill more (to feel more pain and thus, to feels that she's alive.) Also in the book, she finally understand what pain truly is and what sins she had committed. That's why her deep desire to kill is vanished along with her sensitivity to pain (that's why Shiki spared her).

I think I composed my question wrong. Um, how come the doctor not aware of her condition? The violations left marks on her body. (wounds on her chest, bruises from punches forced sexual penetration, etc)

Originally Posted by Alaya

Spoiler for Fujino's power:

Like Xellos, I don't think her power is a magan (mystic eyes). Oh, Fujino in the movie is also weaker than in the book. In the novel, Fujino can bend TWO thing at the same time, one twist to the left and another to the right. This shows that she's powerful since most people can only operate one special power at a time, while she can operate two (one left twisting and one right twisting). This doesn't count magecraft since that's not a special power but is an art that all people can learn (though there's someone without talent like Emiya Shirou).

And actually, her pain insensitivity is not exactly cured throughout the movie. If you look closely, the only thing that she can feel is the pain at her stomach, which she believe is where she was stabbed by a knife. She still doesn't feel pain or anything at other parts of her body.

Spoiler for Side note:

And actually things are reversed from what we think. Her power is not awaken because she start to feel pain again, but she start to feel pain because her power is awaken by someone.

Yes,

The very same person that

Spoiler:

Give Fujoh Kirie her double body. And this person is "curing" her, while the "cure" here it could actually mean her pain insens, or her broken back bone at the time. It seems he cure both for a reason.

For more discussion, I can't seem to fully grasp the meaning(if there are any) in most lines/scenes in the 1st chapter (Fukan Fuukei). One of them is, is there any meaning in the dream that kokuto had about butterfly and dragonfly?

[Cat Megex]

Originally Posted by velvet

One of them is, is there any meaning in the dream that kokuto had about butterfly and dragonfly?

There is indeed. Basically,

Spoiler:

Kokutou = the dragonfly while Kirie = the butterfly. (I think...whichever one couldn't keep flying in the end would be Kirie, and the other would be Kokutou.)

[Alaya]

Originally Posted by velvet

For more discussion, I can't seem to fully grasp the meaning(if there are any) in most lines/scenes in the 1st chapter (Fukan Fuukei). One of them is, is there any meaning in the dream that kokuto had about butterfly and dragonfly?

Most lines and scenes in the 1st chapter have meaning, but very subtle ones. Here's a summary and analysis by Beowulf Lee that I think it's really good one.

http://loliliciousness.wordpress.com...notes-edition/

[velvet]

Very enlightening article.

To float, to fly. And to fall. Fall is also another form of "fly" as they both have destination.

One thing that unfortunately left out in the movie however,

Spoiler:

the fact that Shiki's death is going to reach Kirie's actual body in time. I think it also a factor leading her to her suicide.

Although right now, I strongly believe that it was her last resort to actually fly, in the form of falling, and repeated the sensation of "living" she got from the moment Shiki killed her.

[Cat Megex]

Originally Posted by Alaya

Spoiler for Fujino's power:

Like Xellos, I don't think her power is a magan (mystic eyes). Oh, Fujino in the movie is also weaker than in the book. In the novel, Fujino can bend TWO thing at the same time, one twist to the left and another to the right. This shows that she's powerful since most people can only operate one special power at a time, while she can operate two (one left twisting and one right twisting). This doesn't count magecraft since that's not a special power but is an art that all people can learn (though there's someone without talent like Emiya Shirou).

In the movie (and possibly the book chapter as well), when Shiki was finally able to view Fujino's ability, did she say that it looked like "a spiral of red and green" or "spirals of red and green"? If it was the plural "spirals" rather than the singular "spiral", that might imply that Fujino did indeed have the double-bending ability, just that it wasn't explicitly stated as such. Also, not knowing too much about Japanese noun plurality (except that the words themselves don't seem to change based on that, I don't think), I don't really know how easy it would be to misread/mishear whether it was plural or not.

[Alaya]

Originally Posted by Cat Megex

In the movie (and possibly the book chapter as well), when Shiki was finally able to view Fujino's ability, did she say that it looked like "a spiral of red and green" or "spirals of red and green"? If it was the plural "spirals" rather than the singular "spiral", that might imply that Fujino did indeed have the double-bending ability, just that it wasn't explicitly stated as such. Also, not knowing too much about Japanese noun plurality (except that the words themselves don't seem to change based on that, I don't think), I don't really know how easy it would be to misread/mishear whether it was plural or not.

In the first part of the books, it clearly said that one person would normally can bend something to one direction. If they can bend to both directions, then that's mean they can operate two "channel" (special power) at the same time, which Fujino can.