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View Poll Results: Toradora! - Episode 12 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 17 | 21.52% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 45 | 56.96% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 12 | 15.19% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 5 | 6.33% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2008-12-22, 17:42 | Link #142 | ||
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But so far, Ami was just the mature big sister in this episode. Last edited by Voitan; 2008-12-22 at 17:58. |
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2008-12-22, 22:23 | Link #144 | |
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But hey. I'm totally wrong and I recognize this. That was just my perspective from the novel spoilers I've read. Wasn't passing opinion off as fact either. Everything in that post was opinion, not fact. But roan pretty much summed up the books for me, so whatever. Doesn't really matter anymore anyway. Sorry for causing a stir. Last edited by Tyabann; 2008-12-22 at 23:21. |
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2008-12-22, 22:44 | Link #145 | |
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And yes it does not develop to my liking, because it seems MISSING important issues from the novel. I do understand its a DRAMA episode, even drama does enhance the story/plot further. These one does not, it just feels leaving out many of the themes, Yet. that is why by leaving out of the themes, it seems disappointed at some aspects of it. THATS WHY I'M TAKING ROAN AND houkoholic, SUGGESTION TO WAIT FOR THE END OF THE ARC. That way I can get the whole jest of it, and understand it better. JC-Staff did a wonderful job with Toradora! Don't get me wrong. But the problem herein it this episode does not bring many of the main themes on the table. By leaving them out, it is BAD on their part. Baka-Tsuki with their superb translation of the novel, does a wonderful job EXPLAINING those issues and themes, that would be even better if it was address in this episode. Which will further develop the plot, and thus making it more interesting. Only a few parts, were interesting. Taiga on the other hand had a few interesting interaction but didnt really further the development as based on the novel, and there COULD be more. Once again check Baka-Tsuki translation on the novel. I understand for a 24 mins episode, not all can be address to, but leaving out the most important themes and character development on Taiga is not acceptable. Ami and Minorin has more character developments, as well as Ryuuji. Many cue points of each character has given more insight based who they are. It seems Ami is is walking the path of "big sister" or onee-san towards Ryuuji. There is however a contraction on Minorin, she seems the type of person that when there are problems or issues, she will always raise up against any adversities. Yet, by avoid Ryuuji, she is contracting who she is. However, its seems she knows more about the issues of Taiga's father, and the awkwardness of her feelings for Ryuuji. If, she was that type, maybe as a FRIEND, she could have explain better or even tell Ryuuji what are the issues. For herself personally, she would raise above any circumstances. Yet, she just leaves him hanging dry in the wind. @BetoJR, I understand that Taiga wanted to show her "stuff" to her father. It only natural to do so, to show indirect affection to him. The concern between Ryuuji and Minorin sput, and trying to make get them to resolve the issue, is good. But, in the novel, there was more explanation and development based on those issues. They left lots of insight out. Thats is why it could have gone a DEEPER understanding. Its just my bitching about it thats all. The novel for this episode had more explaination, and they could have "squeeze" it in a bit more in this episode, at least making it more understandable. Instead of leaving it as such. I understand that it cannot be all address to, but leaving certain development is not good. Its still a watchable episode, only if they could have address more information, at least add a bit more from the novel. Maybe at the end of this arc, I will have a better understanding. Last edited by KeitaroNagato; 2008-12-23 at 00:07. |
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2008-12-23, 11:24 | Link #149 |
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I had a hunch when he showed him he would not live up to what Ryu was hoping but for Taiga's sake i decided to optimistic with the obvious results. What im worried about now what will this situation do to Taiga mentally. She was opening little by little as the episodes rolled by and even gave her father a shot by trying to forgive him this disappointment will have dire consequences for her relationship with him. In a way i kind of see Taiga and her fathers relationship as being similar to Tomoya and his father from Clannad but to the extreme with obvious differences but still some similarities.
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2008-12-23, 14:12 | Link #150 |
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In the beginning part Taiga is telling Ryuji that she is still pretending for his sake, when she says, "this is not enough to forget what he has done". There's a slight contrast, however, when she starts getting worried that she might be all sweaty and doesn't have time to change.
Then later in the episode, she frets over her father not being able to watch her perform. Does this mean she's feigning to Ryuji that she still hates her father but really doesn't, or did she slowly accept her father throughout the episode? |
2008-12-23, 16:57 | Link #151 |
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The most logical guess is that she *wishes* her father were someone she could show off to and adore her..... but reality is a bit harsh. Life is full of young women looking for someone who echoes a kind of "daddy" they never had. (points to Ryuuji and Taiga)
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2008-12-23, 17:05 | Link #152 |
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The point here is that we do not know what Taiga's father does for a living, he seemed genuine in his wish to make up, but I don't think he has the willpower to follow through with it, just my 2 cents. As for him not showing up for the wrestling show, maybe he was busy busting kneecaps collecting on high interest loans. (though I can't see him as the loan shark type). As for Minori's connection to him, I can see how it would be thought that he did something to her family, but more likely its because he hurt her best friend and did not seem to care that he did.
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2008-12-24, 00:15 | Link #153 | ||||
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Thanks guys <3 Sorry that I get so passionate about it, I do adore Toradora! anime. Sometimes I get overworked, specially when certain key elements are left out from the nove,l that should have transcended in this episode. But I will wait and see how the final will play. Quote:
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2008-12-24, 11:03 | Link #155 |
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I agree children naturally want to make their parents happy. Even though Taiga says she hates her father as a daughter she wants to show off. Those feelings alone show that Taiga does not hate her father as much as she had stated to Ryu. We naturally look for people to spend time with or spouses who display similar traits to our parents even if we do realize it. A daddy's girl will find a man who treats her similary to her father more attractive than one that does not. But yes life cruel we very often do get what we want.
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2008-12-24, 12:18 | Link #157 | |
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Absent Taiga's father + Angry preview Ryuji = Exciting Ep13 |
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