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overfiend · 2004-12-07, 18:02

For those of you who are unfamiliar with Susano-O, Yamato- no - Orochi, and their story basically it amounts to this:

Susano-O was the son of Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess. He was a brat who loved to prank the other gods and cause all sorts of mischief. One of his pranks so angered his mother that she shut herself into a cave and refused to come out. The world was plunged into darkness and all were fearful. Then a god by the name of Usumi had a plan. He invited the other gods to a banquet outside the cave where Amaterasu was hidden. As the party wore on, Amaterasu became curious about the commotion she was hearing and took a peak outside. At that moment the gods grabbed her and pulled her forth from the cave and made Amaterasu join the party.

Her spirits lifted, Amaterasu never the less had to deal with Susano-O. For his mischief, she banished him to Izumo. In Izumo, Susano-O heard of a eight-headed dragon named Yamato - no - Orochi. This dragon demanded a bride every year from the village, lest he destroy it and eat everyone. So for the last seven years they offered a maiden to the dragon. On the wedding night the dragon would take his new bride back to his lair and eat her. Susano-O agreed to rid the village of Izumo of the dragon, but the young maiden would marry him in return. The villagers agreed.

When Yamato - no - Orochi arrived for his bride, Susano-O disguised himself as a villager while the village threw a great feast in honor of the groom and bride. Eight barrels of sake were given to the dragon, one for each head, as a gift from Susano-O. Yamato - no - Orochi returned to his lair so drunk, he fell asleep and did not eat the maiden. Susano-O krept into the dragon's lair and severed each of the dragon's heads with his sword.

In the morning, the god returned with the heads of Yamato - no - Orochi and the unharmed maiden. The villagers threw another grand feast, this time to honor Susano - O on the occassion of his victory over the dragon and his marriage. As a wedding present, Amaterasu gave the couple three treasures, the jewel Yasakani - no - Magatama, the mirror Yata - no - Kagami, and the sword Ame - no - Murakumo - no - Tsurugi.

Susano - O and his bride eventually had a son and this child and his decendants would be the founders of Japan's imperial line.

The sword and the mirror were said to be enshrined in the Kasanui shrine, until the sword was given to the Emperor Keiko's son Yamatotakeru by the priestess Yamato-Hime.

The Ame - no - Murakumo - no - Tsurugi would go on to become known as the Kusanagi - no - Tsurugi. But that's another story...

dreamless · 2004-12-07, 18:17

Hmm.... Susano-O is the son of Izanagi and younger brother to the Sun Goddess Amaterasu. And I think he's depicted more like an impulsive, rude, and brave god rather than a brat.

also I think he got the sword Ame no Murakumo (more well known as Kusanagi) from the tail of Orochi, which is stronger than his own divine sword, so he offered the sword to Amaterasu, and Amaterasu later gave the three artifacts to the first emperor of Japan.

overfiend · 2004-12-07, 18:18

That's a little different than the version I'm familiar with. But cool none the less. I should also point out that it's been sometime since I've read it, so that I remember most of the details at all is a feat by itself. If anyone else catches a mistake, I apologize for any inaccuracies.

Also the Ame-no sword becomes the Kusanagi sword after Yamatotakeru uses it to hunt Ebisu. Something about a wall of fire and using the sword to cut rushes, but I do not remember.

DeuceTrick · 2004-12-07, 19:01

After visiting AnimeSuki far more times in one day than anyone really should, I finally got my hands on Kannaduki no Miko Episode 10. Static-Subs did an awesome job as usual, though a few of the translations seemed a little awkward-- when you're coming out this fast, that's perfectly understandable.

Man, what an episode.

Spoiler:

Two more episodes? Just two more?
I'm preparing myself for a very sad ending.

Spiggy · 2004-12-07, 19:36

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Originally Posted by overfiend

For those of you who are unfamiliar with Susano-O, Yamato- no - Orochi, and their story basically it amounts to this:

Spoiler:

Susano-O was the son of Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess. He was a brat who loved to prank the other gods and cause all sorts of mischief. One of his pranks so angered his mother that she shut herself into a cave and refused to come out. The world was plunged into darkness and all were fearful. Then a god by the name of Usumi had a plan. He invited the other gods to a banquet outside the cave where Amaterasu was hidden. As the party wore on, Amaterasu became curious about the commotion she was hearing and took a peak outside. At that moment the gods grabbed her and pulled her forth from the cave and made Amaterasu join the party.

Her spirits lifted, Amaterasu never the less had to deal with Susano-O. For his mischief, she banished him to Izumo. In Izumo, Susano-O heard of a eight-headed dragon named Yamato - no - Orochi. This dragon demanded a bride every year from the village, lest he destroy it and eat everyone. So for the last seven years they offered a maiden to the dragon. On the wedding night the dragon would take his new bride back to his lair and eat her. Susano-O agreed to rid the village of Izumo of the dragon, but the young maiden would marry him in return. The villagers agreed.

When Yamato - no - Orochi arrived for his bride, Susano-O disguised himself as a villager while the village threw a great feast in honor of the groom and bride. Eight barrels of sake were given to the dragon, one for each head, as a gift from Susano-O. Yamato - no - Orochi returned to his lair so drunk, he fell asleep and did not eat the maiden. Susano-O krept into the dragon's lair and severed each of the dragon's heads with his sword.

In the morning, the god returned with the heads of Yamato - no - Orochi and the unharmed maiden. The villagers threw another grand feast, this time to honor Susano - O on the occassion of his victory over the dragon and his marriage. As a wedding present, Amaterasu gave the couple three treasures, the jewel Yasakani - no - Magatama, the mirror Yata - no - Kagami, and the sword Ame - no - Murakumo - no - Tsurugi.

Susano - O and his bride eventually had a son and this child and his decendants would be the founders of Japan's imperial line.

The sword and the mirror were said to be enshrined in the Kasanui shrine, until the sword was given to the Emperor Keiko's son Yamatotakeru by the priestess Yamato-Hime.

The Ame - no - Murakumo - no - Tsurugi would go on to become known as the Kusanagi - no - Tsurugi. But that's another story...

I read/heard about that in spring during one of my classes last year. I never heard about the dragon part of it though....well there's some more information I never knew.

overfiend · 2004-12-07, 20:36

This threatens to be

BUT. I will assume most here have seen or are familiar with Blue Seed. If you haven't or aren't, and are interested in another take on the Orochi myth - watch it. The second series isn't that great, but the first is pretty damn cool.

Also Masamune Shirow did a manga named Orion which features Susano-O and Amaterasu as main characters. I'm not sure if Orochi was in it though.

Anyway, thought some of you might be interested.

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Sokar · 2004-12-08, 00:05

Just saw Ep 10 and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

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AiLuvYu · 2004-12-08, 00:06

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Originally Posted by rixot

Probably worse to be raped by someone you know since its harder to place the blame on the criminal and easier to place it on yourself. Both are bad though and to me the difference is irrelevant.

Heheh You can't rape da wiiling

If i were Himeko i wouldn't mind

DeuceTrick · 2004-12-08, 00:13

We're starting to tread on thin ice with the way some people are talking. Let's be careful, please.

Personally, even though at this point

Spoiler:

I still hold out hope for her ultimate return to grace. Though now it seems like at least one death is going to be inevitable.

Bullsquat · 2004-12-08, 00:29

I'm guessing that all the girls want Himeko to end up with Souma while us guys want Chikane to get luckier, hehe.

Come on now, a girl-on-girl happy ending is pretty rare isn't it? Don't we all want to see it?

aniforever · 2004-12-08, 00:47

err freakin' man, i have no idea how this show is gonna end now. why does it always have to be happy moment sad moment and so on. seriously why can't himeko make up her mind on who she likes. i might be indecisive but at least i still have an idea on who i like and who i love. i really starting to wonder if what chikane is currently doing is for good or bad intentions.

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aniforever · 2004-12-08, 00:50

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Originally Posted by Bullsquat

I'm guessing that all the girls want Himeko to end up with Souma while us guys want Chikane to get luckier, hehe.

Come on now, a girl-on-girl happy ending is pretty rare isn't it? Don't we all want to see it?

eh i disagree with that statement. i'm a girl and i want chikane to be with himeko. actually i've been rooting for chikane since the beginning. i'm sorrie but the whole one guy and 5+ girls chasing after him is starting to get annoying. now one girl and 5+ guy chasing after her is a whole different story hehe.

yea i know i'm weird so what's your point?

The Yellow Dwarf · 2004-12-08, 00:52

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Originally Posted by overfiend

Well, color me melancholic. I just watched episode 10 for the first time! My mood has just done a 180 degree turn.

Yeah. Chikane is starting to lose points. I'm not sure Himeko can save her. I'm still hoping, but it is fading fast.

I want some answers, dammit! I can't figure what's going on inside that screwed up brain of Chikane's.

Huh? Chikane just gained 6.22×10^23 points in my book from Ep. 10. That has got to be the prettiest push I have seen in all anime.

Spoiler:

I loved that push, that's the coolest move!

Oh, and Chikane is obviously the evil one. How she toyed with Himeko's feelings! ...It was great!

It is my guess that she's venting all the frustrations from the fact that she and Himeko could never be together the way she wanted (compounded by the other Orochi's sufferings) and going through all that Love/Hate phase.

sarcasteak · 2004-12-08, 01:16

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Originally Posted by Bullsquat

I'm guessing that all the girls want Himeko to end up with Souma while us guys want Chikane to get luckier, hehe.

Negatory; I'm rooting for my brotha Souma...though the outlook is very bleak right now.

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Originally Posted by Bullsquat

Come on now, a girl-on-girl happy ending is pretty rare isn't it? Don't we all want to see it?

In most cases I'd want to see the that kind of ending (yuri saikou~), but I simply like Souma much more than Chikane.

DeuceTrick · 2004-12-08, 01:33

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Originally Posted by Bullsquat

Come on now, a girl-on-girl happy ending is pretty rare isn't it? Don't we all want to see it?

I know I do. Those two just make a cute couple, and they would regardless of gender. There''s something about puppy-dog, "he/she's so cool!" crushes that hits the weak spot in my cold black heart (Yeah right; who am I kidding?). And when the other person is caring towards them, it becomes very sweet to watch.

For instance, watch the scene in the first half of Episode Five, when Himeko gets all upset about Chikane's special dress. Listen to what each of them says. Watch how Chikane gently leans her head on top of Himeko's and just holds her with her eyes closed. Even if the rest of the show disappeared in the abyss, that moment alone was love defined.

By the way, Bullsquat, where does your sig picture come from? Just curious.

overfiend · 2004-12-08, 01:39

Okay one thing at a time here, and I don't know how many people have seen 10 yet so...

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Bullsquat's sig looks like Strange Love/Hen. Am I right?

Mentar · 2004-12-08, 01:45

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Originally Posted by DeuceTrick

By the way, Bullsquat, where does your sig picture come from? Just curious.

Looks like HEN to me.

DrewGSR · 2004-12-08, 01:50

Heh, just finished watching episode 10, i dunno how but i had it for a few days but didnt' watch it. Episode 10 was good, i mean damn this show turns coat quick. Its all nice and soft one moment the bam turns all dark again =). Because of that I really dont know how this show is going to end, alot of times i can predict the ending but this one can go either way.

Yea im kinda bummed it wont be a 24/26 episode show, it looks like its going to be a 12, 13 tops series but still im really liking and enojoying it so far. Ive been a supporter of the Chikane/Himeko hook from the start and will continue to do so!!!

I can't wait for next weeks episode but its still goign to be rough for me since i have finals basically all of next week

. I'm sure most of guys do too.

Spoiler:

The Yellow Dwarf · 2004-12-08, 01:54

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SeedBoy · 2004-12-08, 01:54

No matter what, Im still rooting for Souma and Himeko.

I still didn't see a lovelove relationship between Himeko and Chikane, all I sees in the relationship is that she worries about her best friend, thats all, although it could just be me. 2 thumbs up for Souma. Rawr

Although Himeko's whining starts to bothers me. Making her looks soo weak, I better see some battles between them 2.

2004-12-07, 18:02	Link #841
overfiend Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	For those of you who are unfamiliar with Susano-O, Yamato- no - Orochi, and their story basically it amounts to this: Susano-O was the son of Amaterasu, the Sun Goddess. He was a brat who loved to prank the other gods and cause all sorts of mischief. One of his pranks so angered his mother that she shut herself into a cave and refused to come out. The world was plunged into darkness and all were fearful. Then a god by the name of Usumi had a plan. He invited the other gods to a banquet outside the cave where Amaterasu was hidden. As the party wore on, Amaterasu became curious about the commotion she was hearing and took a peak outside. At that moment the gods grabbed her and pulled her forth from the cave and made Amaterasu join the party. Her spirits lifted, Amaterasu never the less had to deal with Susano-O. For his mischief, she banished him to Izumo. In Izumo, Susano-O heard of a eight-headed dragon named Yamato - no - Orochi. This dragon demanded a bride every year from the village, lest he destroy it and eat everyone. So for the last seven years they offered a maiden to the dragon. On the wedding night the dragon would take his new bride back to his lair and eat her. Susano-O agreed to rid the village of Izumo of the dragon, but the young maiden would marry him in return. The villagers agreed. When Yamato - no - Orochi arrived for his bride, Susano-O disguised himself as a villager while the village threw a great feast in honor of the groom and bride. Eight barrels of sake were given to the dragon, one for each head, as a gift from Susano-O. Yamato - no - Orochi returned to his lair so drunk, he fell asleep and did not eat the maiden. Susano-O krept into the dragon's lair and severed each of the dragon's heads with his sword. In the morning, the god returned with the heads of Yamato - no - Orochi and the unharmed maiden. The villagers threw another grand feast, this time to honor Susano - O on the occassion of his victory over the dragon and his marriage. As a wedding present, Amaterasu gave the couple three treasures, the jewel Yasakani - no - Magatama, the mirror Yata - no - Kagami, and the sword Ame - no - Murakumo - no - Tsurugi. Susano - O and his bride eventually had a son and this child and his decendants would be the founders of Japan's imperial line. The sword and the mirror were said to be enshrined in the Kasanui shrine, until the sword was given to the Emperor Keiko's son Yamatotakeru by the priestess Yamato-Hime. The Ame - no - Murakumo - no - Tsurugi would go on to become known as the Kusanagi - no - Tsurugi. But that's another story... Last edited by overfiend; 2004-12-07 at 18:17.

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overfiend Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	That's a little different than the version I'm familiar with. But cool none the less. I should also point out that it's been sometime since I've read it, so that I remember most of the details at all is a feat by itself. If anyone else catches a mistake, I apologize for any inaccuracies. Also the Ame-no sword becomes the Kusanagi sword after Yamatotakeru uses it to hunt Ebisu. Something about a wall of fire and using the sword to cut rushes, but I do not remember. Last edited by overfiend; 2004-12-07 at 18:36.

2004-12-07, 19:01	Link #844
DeuceTrick Member Join Date: Oct 2004	After visiting AnimeSuki far more times in one day than anyone really should, I finally got my hands on Kannaduki no Miko Episode 10. Static-Subs did an awesome job as usual, though a few of the translations seemed a little awkward-- when you're coming out this fast, that's perfectly understandable. Man, what an episode. Spoiler: So, the lineup: Sister Miyako was a nun, and her country was bombed to oblivion. Either that, or she lived during wartime Japan and stayed youthful by forsaking God and submitting to the Orochi decades ago. Girochi seems to be from wherever Miyako's from (maybe the "Aneki" thing is literal). His family was killed in the war when he was only a boy. Korona was a hopeful idol, who was either taken advantage of or was forced to sell her body to make ends meet in the city. Reiko was a failed manga artist, and probably only became successful after "selling her soul," so to speak. *Nekoko is the one that really screws me up here-- apparently she was the victim of unethical human lab testing, looks like either xenotransplants or someone's privately funded sick fetish. The exaggerated childishness is starting to make sense now. I gotta say I feel sorry for all of them now. Their sad lives were practically an invitation for Orochi to take them in. Two more episodes? Just two more? I'm preparing myself for a very sad ending.

2004-12-08, 00:05	Link #847
Sokar Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Berkeley	My Rant Just saw Ep 10 and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Spoiler: It looks like Souma won't get Himeko. With all those lame ass main characters out there that gets like 5 girls it is an absolute injustice that a cool guy like Souma doesn't even get 1 girl!!! An injustice I tell you! I wish Souma would get together with Chikane and rape Himeko or something. That Himeko really gets on my nerves now. Sleeping with Chikane? WTF! I now support the view that she wanted to get raped.

2004-12-08, 00:13	Link #849
DeuceTrick Member Join Date: Oct 2004	We're starting to tread on thin ice with the way some people are talking. Let's be careful, please. Personally, even though at this point Spoiler: it definitely doesn't look like Chikane is doing any of this for the greater good, and is in fact serving the Orochi to destroy the world I still hold out hope for her ultimate return to grace. Though now it seems like at least one death is going to be inevitable.

2004-12-07, 18:17	Link #842
dreamless /Ultimate Magic Attack!!! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Time Warp/Future	Hmm.... Susano-O is the son of Izanagi and younger brother to the Sun Goddess Amaterasu. And I think he's depicted more like an impulsive, rude, and brave god rather than a brat. also I think he got the sword Ame no Murakumo (more well known as Kusanagi) from the tail of Orochi, which is stronger than his own divine sword, so he offered the sword to Amaterasu, and Amaterasu later gave the three artifacts to the first emperor of Japan.

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overfiend Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	This threatens to be BUT. I will assume most here have seen or are familiar with Blue Seed. If you haven't or aren't, and are interested in another take on the Orochi myth - watch it. The second series isn't that great, but the first is pretty damn cool. Also Masamune Shirow did a manga named Orion which features Susano-O and Amaterasu as main characters. I'm not sure if Orochi was in it though. Anyway, thought some of you might be interested. This topic is no longer

2004-12-08, 00:29	Link #850
Bullsquat Strange Love Join Date: Feb 2004	I'm guessing that all the girls want Himeko to end up with Souma while us guys want Chikane to get luckier, hehe. Come on now, a girl-on-girl happy ending is pretty rare isn't it? Don't we all want to see it?

2004-12-08, 00:47	Link #851
aniforever Member Join Date: Dec 2003	err freakin' man, i have no idea how this show is gonna end now. why does it always have to be happy moment sad moment and so on. seriously why can't himeko make up her mind on who she likes. i might be indecisive but at least i still have an idea on who i like and who i love. i really starting to wonder if what chikane is currently doing is for good or bad intentions. Spoiler: when chikane was in her room before himeko walked in, she was holding the moon and sun pendant that himeko got her. if she was completely evil why did she spent a happy, careful day with himeko and even giving that hurt pain look when she was holding that pendant? why did she ask himeko if himeko still loved her or not? more importantly why the heck is going on in himeko's mind??? ok here you have a girl that was just raped by the other girl and all she can think of is spending a happy day with that girl? himeko even went to chikane's room and ask if she can sleep with her, seriously what the heck? man if i wasn't confused before then just put it this way i'm completely lost now. i don't now who's good and who's evil anymore. i mean the good is now evil and the evil well... i feel pity for them. seriously this anime is one of a kind. it started out like marimite then made an 180 degree turn toward NGE. now what is the possiblility that it'll make another 180 degree turn toward marimite again? chikane-chan i don't want you to be evil come back NOOOOOOOOOO. btw when himeko said "i love you" did she mean it in a i love you as a friend or i love you as my soulmate kind of way? man i hate it when people use the word love so loosely. oh well we'll just have to wait to see what happens next but why can't it be longer like 26 ep or iono anything but 12. it's way too short i tell you. ok i'll stop now and wait for the next round of confusion to come. ja.

2004-12-08, 01:39	Link #856
overfiend Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Okay one thing at a time here, and I don't know how many people have seen 10 yet so... Spoiler: First, Chikane has been pumped so full of dispair that whatever was good in her is bound and chained by it all. Her day with Himeko may have been nothing more than a ploy to manipulate Himeko and fill her with the same despair that she feels, for whatever reason. That pained moment when she saw the two pendants may have been the old Chikane trying to come back and fight through the despair. Second, sorry Souma fans. Your boy loses in so many ways. There was so much foreshadowing of his imminent demise in 10 that I can safely say he is a dead man walking. The scales are spreading, he gives a knowing smile to Sensei, and when he tells Sensei that he intends to pilot Ameno, Sensei tells him something that we don't hear - but from Souma's expression it is not good. The clincher is when he says to Himeko "I have something to tell you, but I'll tell you when this is over." Death warrant. Signed, sealed, and delivered. Whenever a main character says something like this, you are almost always gauranteed the guy never gets the chance to say it. Remember Kaji? What did he say on Misato's answering machine? What happened to him? Souma is so freaking DEAD! Not only that, how can you watch this episode and not be completely convinced that Himeko is totally in love with Chikane? Come on, people! Are we watching the same show or what? And you know something? Chikane has got to be the thickest person in the universe, cuz she ain't gettin' it. She should be jumping for friggin' joy and shouting, "in your face, Souma!" What does she do? "I'm going to kill you tomorrow, Himeko. It's a date for just the two of us." The girl is broken, she needs to be fixed, and our dear little Himeko is the one that's gotta do it. Problem is the world is going to fall apart while she's trying to do just that, and Chikane may not WANT to be fixed. I hear that train steaming along, begging to be derailed. Bullsquat's sig looks like Strange Love/Hen. Am I right?

2004-12-08, 01:50	Link #858
DrewGSR Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004	Heh, just finished watching episode 10, i dunno how but i had it for a few days but didnt' watch it. Episode 10 was good, i mean damn this show turns coat quick. Its all nice and soft one moment the bam turns all dark again =). Because of that I really dont know how this show is going to end, alot of times i can predict the ending but this one can go either way. Yea im kinda bummed it wont be a 24/26 episode show, it looks like its going to be a 12, 13 tops series but still im really liking and enojoying it so far. Ive been a supporter of the Chikane/Himeko hook from the start and will continue to do so!!! I can't wait for next weeks episode but its still goign to be rough for me since i have finals basically all of next week . I'm sure most of guys do too. Spoiler: Lol, i had some "OH SH*T" moments during the episode. I mean at the part when Himeko was going back home and she heard the piano playing I was like oh shit are we going to have replay of the evil Chikane like we did a few episodes before. Then again at the end when Chikane asks Himeko if she loved her and after Himeko said yes and Chikane pushes her away, I was like OH SNAP, did she just turn coat and go all evil. Then Chikane gave Himeko the "duel letter" after cutting her top two buttons with it. I was like NOOOOO!! dont end yet lol. Man just when i thought Himeko was going to become all independent after she was able to revive the guy and do on her own. Then she turns all weak and soft again right when Chikane showed back up and we get the hear the "Chikane-chan!!, Chikane-chan!!, Chikane-chan!!" screams.

2004-12-08, 01:54	Link #860
SeedBoy Member Join Date: Oct 2004	No matter what, Im still rooting for Souma and Himeko. I still didn't see a lovelove relationship between Himeko and Chikane, all I sees in the relationship is that she worries about her best friend, thats all, although it could just be me. 2 thumbs up for Souma. Rawr Although Himeko's whining starts to bothers me. Making her looks soo weak, I better see some battles between them 2.