(L) Rosario+Vampire Manga

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by kagato3

A though I had after rereading the chapter when Gyokuro came up. What if her hateing Akasha and Moka was a ploy to get Moka out of the house with out rouseing suspision. Akasha was working on getting Moka out of the house even before Gyokuro was brought up by Issa who is the one who thought they hated each other which seems to have been his motivation to contact the family that took custody of Moka.

So you're suggesting that Akasha and Gyokuro were actually friends and their dislike for each other was actually an act for the sake of protecting Moka? Well, I don't see Akasha not doing this sort of thing for the sake of her daughter as well, so it may be possible. Akasha did want Moka to leave to keep her away from Alucard, and feigning a rocky relationship between the wife and the mistress would be a good way to avoid suspicion.

Originally Posted by Tempest35

I don't think he's going to delve into the 'how' and the 'why' Akasha's last name is 'Bloodriver' in-verse. From a viewers' standpoint - it's an obvious homage to Anne Rice's 'Akasha' - but a homage in name only. Unless Akasha was prone to bloodlust frenzies back in Europe, (where I assume she originated from, considering that Moka is billingual in Japanese and English) 'Bloodriver' could very well be a sort of title from the family/clan she originated through. However, this brings up a glaring fact that we haven't heard of any extended family such as Akasha's or Issa's siblings, if they had any. I can see Issa having no male siblings (any more at least): two brothers engage in a fight to the death to decide position of the head of the family - it sounds pretty plausible.

I doubt that additional family members would really add too much to the plot at this stage, especially since the main characters are already established and I don't see any need to bring in additional characters at this stage as we're approaching the climax of the story and we've already gotten plenty of backstory as well, so I doubt we'll see any in flashbacks either. It's irrelevant to bring them in just to explain the names issue.

[kenjiharima]

This thread needs some fanservice.

[Chris38]

Do you guys seriously think that the manga is ending, since in my opinion there is still some things left unresolved, like the current situation within the Shuzen family, the two fractions of the Fairy Tale organization - although one of them is probably going to be eliminated at the end of the Rescue Moka arc, it doesn't mean that Hokuto's and Kiria's first subdivision is going to suffer from a similar fate, especially since I believe that Hokuto and Kiria are a lot more dangerous then Akua is...

Not to mention this whole business with the eggs planted in different places around the world, Jack Frosts prophecy about Tsukune and Moka, and finally the whole business related with Alucard...

So, I believe there is still a lot of things that have been left unresolved, and can keep this manga going for some time.... not to mention that if the things mentioned above weren't enough Ikeda can always introduce some new developments into the story... which, means that in my opinion, it's still going to take some time, before this manga is going to end.

[Tsuyoshi]

When I mentioned climax of the story, I was mostly referring to this arc rather than the entire series in general. We're reaching a point in the story where introducing new characters or new plot elements wouldn't be neccessary. There will undoubtedly be more elements introduced to us after Tsukune rescues Moka however as there's a lot of other things that could still be brushed on. However, I find it hard to consider under what context characters like siblings of Issa's or Akasha's could be introduced.

[Mizuno]

Am I the only one to find Gin's constant advances on Kurumu annoying?

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

When I mentioned climax of the story, I was mostly referring to this arc rather than the entire series in general. We're reaching a point in the story where introducing new characters or new plot elements wouldn't be neccessary. There will undoubtedly be more elements introduced to us after Tsukune rescues Moka however as there's a lot of other things that could still be brushed on. However, I find it hard to consider under what context characters like siblings of Issa's or Akasha's could be introduced.

That's true, I also agree that it's hard to think why Ikeda would need to introduce character's like Issa's or Akasha's siblings, especially since the R+V story isin't about Issa and Akasha but rather Moka and Tsukune and their developing relationship with each other, since despite the rest of the girls being pretty interesting character's, which I hope are going to have some kind of happy ending as well, I believe that the harem context of the R+V has been mostly started to prevent Tsukune and Moka from becoming a couple too soon, and give the plot of the story a chance to develop , since without the addition of the other girls and the creation of Tsukune's harem, I don't think that Ikeda would be capable of keeping this series running for such a long time, and even if he did I doubt it would be as interesting as it currently is.

[Tsuyoshi]

^Indeed. If there was no harem, the story would've been akin to a Shoujo. R+V strongest point is the abundance of the characters as well as their richness. If it was only Moka and Tsukune, the story wouldn't have been half as good. The harem also served as a method to show how strong Moka's and Tsukune's relationship is. On top of being wonderful characters, the girls also served as a form of temptation for Tsukune, but despite all of these temptations, Tsukune still loved Moka deeply and stuck to her all the way through.

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

The harem also served as a method to show how strong Moka's and Tsukune's relationship is. On top of being wonderful characters, the girls also served as a form of temptation for Tsukune, but despite all of these temptations, Tsukune still loved Moke deeply and stuck to her all the way through.

Which means Tsukune is definitely 100% Akasha approved material as Moka's destined one.

But without Moka around, Tsukune will have to deal with his current transformation on his own, poor Tsukune.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Shinso Tsukune

But without Moka around, Tsukune will have to deal with his current transformation on his own, poor Tsukune.

Spoiler for Tsukune:

I think that the fact that Tsukune has to deal with his current transformation on his own, makes it a lot more interesting then if he could relay on Moka's help in dealing with it...

Not to mention that, I believe that even Inner Moka would have a pretty hard time against Tsukune in his current form, so it's not like her being around would help in resolving this matter.

After all, if Tsukune wants to control his powers then sooner or later he is going to need to gain control over his berserk side on his own, which probably won't happen yet, and that means that, even if Tsukune is going to be able to control a higher extent of his abilities then he was before, I think that he is still going to need a seal to restrict his powers - a seal that unlike the Holy Lock, would be specifically designed for Tsukune to use.

[Xagzan]

Originally Posted by Mizuno

Am I the only one to find Gin's constant advances on Kurumu annoying?

No I do too. He should stick with Sun.

[Tachibana]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for Tsukune:

I think that the fact that Tsukune has to deal with his current transformation on his own, makes it a lot more interesting then if he could relay on Moka's help in dealing with it...

Spoiler for 40:

Exactly, i agree with this, because if he would have to keep relying on Ura-Moka's help he wouldn't last long against Akua, but it's a very good thing that Tsukune is doing this on his own, Ikeda has decided that it's time for Tsukune to "walk on his own two feet" basically or thats how i see it.

With the Holy Lock gone, if Tsukune were to still need a seal (the reason why i say "still" is because we don't know whether or not Tsukune will still need a seal, because i believe that it's possible that even he will have control once the transformation is finally complete), do you think that a seal Touhou Fuhai would make for him would be almost exactly like Moka's Rosary?

[Johnny]

I hope not, one person with two separate entities is enough. I'd say if Tsukune needed anything he would just repair the holy lock, since it probably still has some value to it and hard to replace...

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Shinso Tsukune

Spoiler for 40:

Exactly, i agree with this, because if he would have to keep relying on Ura-Moka's help he wouldn't last long against Akua, but it's a very good thing that Tsukune is doing this on his own, Ikeda has decided that it's time for Tsukune to "walk on his own two feet" basically or thats how i see it.

With the Holy Lock gone, if Tsukune were to still need a seal (the reason why i say "still" is because we don't know whether or not Tsukune will still need a seal, because i believe that it's possible that even he will have control once the transformation is finally complete), do you think that a seal Touhou Fuhai would make for him would be almost exactly like Moka's Rosary?

Spoiler for 40:

Well, considering the fact that Tsukune is going to fight against Akua, who despite being a pretty strong opponent, is still an ordinary vampire, while Tsukune has the blood of a Shinso in his veins, meaning that if he is capable of controlling the full extent of his powers, Akua would be no match against Tsukune and his fight against her wouldn't be interesting at all.

After all, like I mentioned in one of my earlier posts I don't think that the manga is going to end soon, which means that Ikeda doesn't needs to rush things with Tsukune's powers and allow him to control the full extent of his powers, since then Tsukune's future fights wouldn't be as interesting as they currently are, which means that, in my opinion at this point in the story I believe that Tsukune is going to be able to control his powers at the level, which is the limit of what an ordinary vampire like Akua is able to use, while Tsukune's abilities that go above Akua's limit, are still going to be restricted in some way

@Johnny

Spoiler for Seal:

Well, unless Tohou Fuhai is going to be able to modify Tsukune's Holy Lock, so that it could sustain the full extent of his Shinso powers then I don't think that Tsukune is going to keep using it...

After all, I think that with the reaming chains on Tsukune's Holy Lock being broken, I think that Ikeda implies that Tsukune's ayashi aura has grown strong enough that the Holy Lock's power isn't sufficient to keep sealing Tsukune's Shinso blood - meaning that, unless Tohou Fuhai is able to modify the Holy Lock so that it could withstand a larger amount of Tsukune's youkai energy (which might not be possible to do), Tsukune has to acquire some other item that would again allow him to keep his powers in check, and it probably needs to be something that could withstand the amount of power that Tsukune is able to release... and we will probably learn what kind of item it's going to be in the future chapters....

Still, I agree that it probably won't work in the same way that Moka's Rosario works - after all I don't think that Tsukune would like to release his berserk side on someone,

[Tachibana]

Spoiler for About A Seal?:

I remember in a fanfic about R+V i was reading, that Tsukune was given a Black Rosary that worked like Moka's, but didn't give him a secondary personality.

Something like this is just a thought about a possible future seal that Tsukune might get. But getting a Rosary like Moka's, wouldn't require it to give Tsukune a second personality, it really wouldn't be necessary, because he doesn't need one, just like kind of a Rosary seal that just seals away his Shinso power, but not include a secondary personality.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Shinso Tsukune

Spoiler for About A Seal?:

I remember in a fanfic about R+V i was reading, that Tsukune was given a Black Rosary that worked like Moka's, but didn't give him a secondary personality.

Something like this is just a thought about a possible future seal that Tsukune might get. But getting a Rosary like Moka's, wouldn't require it to give Tsukune a second personality, it really wouldn't be necessary, because he doesn't need one, just like kind of a Rosary seal that just seals away his Shinso power, but not include a secondary personality.

Spoiler for Tsukune's seal:

Well, if Tsukune is going to need a new seal - which has quite a huge possibility of occurring then we will definitly be shown how it looks like, and probably what kind of filters Tohou Fuhai implanted within the seal...

But at the moment , Tsukune's seal isn't that important, since a more pressing matter is to subdue Tsukune and bring him into a more or less normal state, and that is probably going to be a pretty difficult task - after all if Tsukune's human mind isn't recovered in some way then it wouldn't make any sense to seal his powers, right ?

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for Tsukune's seal:

Well, if Tsukune is going to need a new seal - which has quite a huge possibility of occurring then we will definitly be shown how it looks like, and probably what kind of filters Tohou Fuhai implanted within the seal...

But at the moment , Tsukune's seal isn't that important, since a more pressing matter is to subdue Tsukune and bring him into a more or less normal state, and that is probably going to be a pretty difficult task - after all if Tsukune's human mind isn't recovered in some way then it wouldn't make any sense to seal his powers, right ?

Spoiler for Seal:

I actually kinda doubt that he would need a new seal. If the ritual ends well, I don't see why he would need one because after the ritual, he would have a much better grasp on his youkai powers. The reason he was given the holy lock was because he had a predominantly human body carrying Shinso blood. A human body isn't designed to control that power, and the holy lock served to keep that power under wraps. Now that his body is _almost_ completely demon, he wouldn't need the holy lock to control the Shinso blood because a Shinso vampire is what he is. That said, he wouldn't need any other kind of seal to keep the power at bay because he'll be able to do it on his own.

[Used Can]

After so many power-ups trying to protect his friends and especially Moka, it'd be a poetic irony if Tsukune ends up becoming the main antagonist.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Spoiler for Seal:

I actually kinda doubt that he would need a new seal. If the ritual ends well, I don't see why he would need one because after the ritual, he would have a much better grasp on his youkai powers. The reason he was given the holy lock was because he had a predominantly human body carrying Shinso blood. A human body isn't designed to control that power, and the holy lock served to keep that power under wraps. Now that his body is _almost_ completely demon, he wouldn't need the holy lock to control the Shinso blood because a Shinso vampire is what he is. That said, he wouldn't need any other kind of seal to keep the power at bay because he'll be able to do it on his own.

Spoiler for Seal:

True, provided that Tsukune gains control over his current form I could see him not needing a seal to help him in controlling his power's, but that doesn't mean that Tsukune isn't going to need a seal to hide his ayashi nature using some kind of limiter(which to me is a type of seal) like Kahula does.

Of course, even if Tsukune is going to gain complete control over his body, I don't think that Tsukune is going to be capable of drawing the full extent of his powers yet...

The most I could see with this development is Tsukune's powers becoming more stabilized, which means that Tsukune wouldn't be going out of control anymore and might gain some part of the attributes that vampires have, like for example a thirst for blood, among other things...

[Tsuyoshi]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Spoiler for The seal and the ritual:

True, considering how Tsukune's current form looks like I agree that his body has been mostly transformed into a body of a Shinso vampire (since we don't know if Tsukune in his current form is being affected by water, or some other vampire weaknesses, and we still don't know if they aren't some differences between Tsukune's current body and the body of a naturally born vampire).

So, I agree that Tsukune shouldn't have so many problems using his powers in his current form, provided that he is going to gain complete control over it, which should be clarified in the future chapters, since currently I don't think it's possible to verify if Tsukune is going to be able to take control over his "new body" on his own.

Which to me, mean that, provided that Tsukune is going to be able to regain control over his current body, the most I could see is Tsukune's powers being stabilized, so that he won't be going out of control anymore, but still won't be able to draw out the full extent of his powers, and in that case I would agree that Tsukune wouldn't need a new seal.

On the other hand if Tsukune isn't going to be able to regain a complete control over his body then I think a seal would be needed to seal parts of Tsukune's powers that he isn't able to control yet, which after thinking about it, wouldn't make a lot of sense, since why would Ikeda go to the trouble of breaking Tsukune's Lock if he just wanted to replace it with another stronger seal, but it remains a possibility as well that Tsukune isn't going to be able to take full control over his new body.

Not to mention that we don't know if Tsukune isn't going to need a seal - or rather a limiter, like what Kahula has, to hide his ayashi nature - and after all a limiter is a type of seal as well., and with the Holy Lock being broken I don't think that it can function as an object that could hide Tsukune's ayashi nature...

Basically speaking I don't think we can resolve this matter at the current point, and we need to wait for the next chapter to come out, before it is going to become clearer which option Ikeda is going to take.

Spoiler for Seal:

I highly doubt that after the ritual, Tsukune won't have full control (or almost full) over his body. Well, it's his powers he can't control very well because as I said, it's an issue to do with the fact his body was mostly human. His transformation is being carried out so that he can better use the demon arts. It was not possible for him to do so with a human body. Obtaining a demon body would grant him much better control of his Shinso powers as well as the opportunity to learn the Jigen Tou. His body will be his. He'll take time to get used to the new feeling of his body but it will be much easier getting used to his new abilities as a demon than it was as a human.

If Tsukune will need a seal, it will be one that serves to quell his bloodthirsty nature that's been augmented by his transformation. It is more to do with a possible new personality. Obtaining this new power may easily have an effect on his mind and that will need stabilizing rather than his actual powers.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by Tsuyoshi

Spoiler for Seal:

I highly doubt that after the ritual, Tsukune won't have full control (or almost full) over his body. Well, it's his powers he can't control very well because as I said, it's an issue to do with the fact his body was mostly human. His transformation is being carried out so that he can better use the demon arts. It was not possible for him to do so with a human body. Obtaining a demon body would grant him much better control of his Shinso powers as well as the opportunity to learn the Jigen Tou. His body will be his. He'll take time to get used to the new feeling of his body but it will be much easier getting used to his new abilities as a demon than it was as a human.

If Tsukune will need a seal, it will be one that serves to quell his bloodthirsty nature that's been augmented by his transformation. It is more to do with a possible new personality. Obtaining this new power may easily have an effect on his mind and that will need stabilizing rather than his actual powers.

Spoiler for Seal:

Well, I probably didn't make myself clear in my previous post (which if you hadn't noticed was changed) , but basically I agree that Tsukune's powers are going to be stabilized from this development, but that doesn't mean that some other issues won't emerge (like what you mentioned about Tsukune's blood thirst) or that Tsukune wouldn't require a seal to hide his ayashi nature, since even though I think that Tsukune is going to look more human like in his controllable form, it's up to Ikeda how Tsukune's final form is going to look like)

It also true that some mental problems might also emerge from this development that could require a seal , but I doubt that Tsukune's personality is going to be changed that much, since Moka has fallen in love with Tsukune behaving like he was, before the current incident started, so I doubt that Moka would be pleased if he became a completely different person as a " side effect" of this incident.

Basically speaking, Ikeda has opened a lot of possibilities with this incident, and I don't think that we will learn how he plans to develop Tsukune after this, until the next chapter comes out... still based upon what we had seen so far I don't think that Tsukune is going to actually learn how to use the Jigen-tou.

After all this whole training arc, started with Tsukune asking Tohou Fuhai to make him strong enough to fight with the Jigen-tou, which, as was shown in the brief fight between Akua and Ling Ling, is capable of blocking against someone who is also using the Jigen-tou .

Now, as you probably know in chapter 39, it was said by Tohou Fuhai that there is nothing they can do to make Tsukune strong enough so that he could fight with the Jigen-tou, and after that Tsukune replied that if that's the case then can Tohou Fuhai can teach him someway to block against the Jigen-tou, which might be the ability to use the Jigen-tou, but considering what was said about Akua being a genius and that she already knows that another Jigen-tou can block against her own Jigen-tou, I think that she has already prepared some countermeasures against someone who would be also using the Jigen-tou technique...

Simply saying, although it's only a speculation on my part, I believe there is a way to block against the Jigen-tou that Akua doesn't know about, and this is the technique that Tsukune is currently in the process of obtaining, and all the mentions of the Jigen-tou before the training arc , are just red herrings from Ikeda to disguise what Tsukune is actually going to learn, and make the fight between Tsukune and Akua a little more unpredictable...