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2007-11-25, 21:25 | Link #1962 | |
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All right, this is a quote from a different forum by someone who goes by NovaStar, but I think it should clear up what happens in the ending for those of you who are confused.
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There is a light flashback to Nyuu when she picked up the shell for Kouta (I believe that to be so), and if there wasn't, I'm sure that there was a short screening of the shell on the Lillium Music Box. Therefore, my verdict, and likely NovaStar's as well, goes on to say that it's Nyuu at the door
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2007-11-26, 05:51 | Link #1964 | |
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The problem is that having suspended disbelief and bonded to this show as if it was real, we feel compelled to believe that Lucy's continued life exists somehow regardless of our desire to believe in it. Therefore we try to figure out what her fate is, as if it wasn't entirely in our own heads. We must open Schrodinger's box and collapse the wavefunction determing her life.
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2007-11-26, 10:14 | Link #1965 | |
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I was actually fortunate enough to get to fire the M-16 on full auto in weapons training. It was only 10 rounds and I fired two 5 round bursts. To reference it to Lucy. If I had been at the right point when the fire command was given (the end of the barrel moves as you breath and you have to time your shots, hold your breath for a moment and squeeze the trigger) I would have hit her somewhere in the body with the first shot. The second shot might have hit her horn. The third, fourth, and fifth would have been over her head. That fits very well with all the tracer rounds being shown above her. Given that a number of shooters would miss on the first shot, her going down from the shots that did hit her, and the later shots being well over her head anyway, it is quite possible for her to be badly, but not fatally, wounded. |
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2007-11-26, 12:41 | Link #1966 | |
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2007-11-26, 15:36 | Link #1967 | |
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2007-11-26, 16:08 | Link #1968 |
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If I'm not mistaken, the point NoSanW was making was that people here are drawing conclusions without any common sense and logic behind that crucial shooting event. Like how one can come to the either conclusion of whether cat is dead or alive without actually opening the box and looking inside. I mean, the cat could be found dead inside a harmless box, killed by mysterious and poisonous invisible gas that somehow penetrated the box, just as Lucy could well be alive, by following PasPrime's some bullcrap scenario. Such possibilities are still dismal at best and like he mentioned, it fails common sense. And NovaStar's idea is that only the psychologoical entity of Lucy died, while Nyu still lives on as a both physical and psychological entity. I had an impression that you were going for lucy/nyu/whatever all died as one. |
2007-11-26, 19:18 | Link #1970 | |
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2007-11-26, 20:23 | Link #1971 | |
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2007-11-26, 22:47 | Link #1973 |
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Never mind Arthas. I generally put '@' in front of name to address that particular someone, and sometimes people don't see that so meh.
@Pastprime I don't need to be an expert on anything, pretty any sensible person with a triple digit IQ will argue that shooting scene seriously tests the plausibility of Lucy/Nyu's survival. And who honestly think that bullets going over her head are going to come back at her like a homing missile. I suggest you hone you practise in interpretating other people's simple comments properly and not coming to totally wrong ideas, should you wish to have more meaningful conversations in the future. And just because you're so uncoordinated and untrained with rifles, doesn't mean the soldiers are as incompetent as you. I'm willing to bet, at a close range (which she is at), way more than half of their shots will land on her (vital or non-vital, doesn't matter), with M-16, or AK, or even a bloody home-made rifle made by a 10 year olds in Africa, who probably have more common sense than you with such scenarios from seeing so many people being shot. I also would imagine that they've landed enough shots to literally turn her into a beehive. And this is just my guess, but the guys with guns (and their leader) probably would have checked if she was really dead, before leaving the scene. I'm not a military expert like I've said, but I'm pretty sure one of the most important thing for soldiers/hired mercenaries/agents in completing their assassination mission, is that they actually confirm and check if their target really is dead. And yes, Nana survived after her arms and legs were amputated. I think a normal conclusion we can draw from this, is that the animators wanted to make it all cool by pulling her arms and legs off, but needed Nana in the story, so they conjured up hocus pocus and walla, she survived. Likewise, maybe that really is Nyu behind the silhoutte. It just means that animators didn't do a very good job. But no, you just had to make yourself believe that she survived the shooting in a realistic manner. You can't accept the fact that animators zapped a deus ex to bring your beloved character. I understand that, and that's why I'm here to help you see the light ;D. I'm sure you have even more abstract and imaginative questions that runs wonderfully and freely in that sphere we call 'delusional'. Remember, I'm always here to answer for you~ |
2007-11-26, 22:57 | Link #1974 |
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Actually my point is the anime itself is somewhat illogical. Given their knowledge of her abilities, all they had to do is to use exploding rounds, gas, water and anything that she cannot block easily. Unless she have enough vectors to cover her whole body, she wouldn't survive.
Since it is illogical, anything goes. I can say she blocked all bullets except the one that hit her remaining horn. I think it makes a happier ending if she did survive. With both horns gone, hopefully Lucy will be gone too (still sad but much safer). Although i think they still have to file the last bit of horn still protruding, ouch! |
2007-11-26, 22:58 | Link #1975 |
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Gaguri... Thanks for letting me off the hook. Im still kinda new to these forums so im kinda dumb (explains all the notes ive got). However, wouldn't you agree that it is possible that Lucy and Nyuu were put back together?
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2007-11-26, 23:14 | Link #1976 | |
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The reason why I think Lucy is dead has more to do with the fact that, I think it fits her character and the story so far better for Lucy to die than coming back alive. The shooting scene, which to me pretty much killed her off for good, shows that she went there to die for her previous sins (and because she thinks its safer for Kouta as well). That's why I don't like the idea of her coming back alive and saying 'hi i'm back~' behind the door. Obviously people can see this in different ways and I don't have a problem with that. @Arthas No need to thank me for anything...you didn't do anything wrong in the first place. I don't agree that it is possible for Lucy and Nyu to be put back together, because from how I see the anime, that can not happen after Lucy/nyu dies in a sacrificial act. However, if that's how you see it, I don't see why you should change that simply because I disagree. Just please don't say because it was realistic ^_^b |
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2007-11-26, 23:29 | Link #1977 |
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HAHAHAHA!!! Im just saying that if there can be 2 personalities created then in theory they can be put back together. One of those things-that-should-not-happen moments in anime
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2007-11-27, 08:18 | Link #1978 | |
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@FateAnomaly... Lucy definately DIDN'T use her vecters to block the bullets... there's a reason it showed them in the air, out of the way. And she even said "finish it." She simply stood there and let them shoot her. |
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2007-11-27, 08:46 | Link #1979 | |
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2007-11-27, 09:36 | Link #1980 | |
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