Needless

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by Avvesione

We do know one of the effects of the pill and that was to knock Cruz out. However, the pill had to have a further effect than that.

If the pill's sole purpose was to knock Cruz out to prevent him from tagging along, then why not do something more dramatic in that scene? Why not have Blade challenge Cruz to a battle only for him to use Maiden Restriction and then just leave him there? That would look much cooler than just giving him a simple capsule. The fact that it was a pill means something else is going on. What it is, exactly, we won't know because there have been zero developments aside from Cruz fainting (rather suddenly). And as we already know, trying to guess at what happened will only result in another incorrect answer.

Because a pill could knock him out for a few days easily and safely which would prevent him following. Fighting him and knocking him out that way he could be up the next day. Does Blade even remember maiden restriction?

[Ynot]

My money is on the capsule being simply a way to prevent Yamada to follow Blade and the others or at least follow them immediately. The reason to follow them would be a lot less pressing when they are long gone. Whatever enemies they'd have taken care of along the way could have regrouped by the time Yamada would follow them....not to mention Yamada can't travel that fast.

Does Yamada even know where to go now that he couldn't see them leave? In Needless 1.5 the Gate Cain walked through was number 13 so I'm guessing there must be a lot more of them. Just like Skieth already mentioned, Blade might be hoping to finish up all the ugly business before Yamada even has the chance to catch up with them.

If I'd give someone a drug whose working I wasn't extremely familiar with or sure it couldn't do any harm I'd want to stick around making sure everything would be all right. Not just walk off to a place I might not even return from. That's why I'm a bit skeptical this capsule will do anything more than make Yamada lose his consciousness for some time.

[surerman]

Originally Posted by Ynot

My money is on the capsule being simply a way to prevent Yamada to follow Blade and the others or at least follow them immediately. The reason to follow them would be a lot less pressing when they are long gone. Whatever enemies they'd have taken care of along the way could have regrouped by the time Yamada would follow them....not to mention Yamada can't travel that fast.

Does Yamada even know where to go now that he couldn't see them leave? In Needless 1.5 the Gate Cain walked through was number 13 so I'm guessing there must be a lot more of them. Just like Skieth already mentioned, Blade might be hoping to finish up all the ugly business before Yamada even has the chance to catch up with them.

If I'd give someone a drug whose working I wasn't extremely familiar with or sure it couldn't do any harm I'd want to stick around making sure everything would be all right. Not just walk off to a place I might not even return from. That's why I'm a bit skeptical this capsule will do anything more than make Yamada lose his consciousness for some time.

I'll take your bet bro!
For me, my bet is a device to make Testament didn't attack him and friendly toward him, as replacement of his Killer Girls Squad card to support his disguise as one of them, since he already give it to Kanna. Simeon can clone human and canned them like a sardines, so Sex change pill is possible to be made and it is what I'd like to bet, but it's not support a story development at all, just for gags

[Avvesione]

Originally Posted by Xacual

Because a pill could knock him out for a few days easily and safely which would prevent him following. Fighting him and knocking him out that way he could be up the next day. Does Blade even remember maiden restriction?

Blade should know Maiden Restriction still but I was just giving an example of something else that could've happened to keep Cruz from following.

Originally Posted by Ynot

My money is on the capsule being simply a way to prevent Yamada to follow Blade and the others or at least follow them immediately. The reason to follow them would be a lot less pressing when they are long gone. Whatever enemies they'd have taken care of along the way could have regrouped by the time Yamada would follow them....not to mention Yamada can't travel that fast.

Does Yamada even know where to go now that he couldn't see them leave? In Needless 1.5 the Gate Cain walked through was number 13 so I'm guessing there must be a lot more of them. Just like Skieth already mentioned, Blade might be hoping to finish up all the ugly business before Yamada even has the chance to catch up with them.

If I'd give someone a drug whose working I wasn't extremely familiar with or sure it couldn't do any harm I'd want to stick around making sure everything would be all right. Not just walk off to a place I might not even return from. That's why I'm a bit skeptical this capsule will do anything more than make Yamada lose his consciousness for some time.

The reason I think it's more than just a simple capsule (to knock him out and stop him from following) is mainly due to Disk's reactions during that whole scene. She's the one who had the information that she didn't want Cruz to hear but wanted to tell Blade and Eve and came up with the idea for Cruz to take the pill. During the conversation outside, you see her try to stop Blade from giving Cruz the pill. A few panels later, you see her in an alert position. Had this simply been a pill to knock him out, I doubt she'd try to stop Blade or even get in that prepared stance. And I doubt that Disk would only tell Blade and Eve that she just wants to knock Cruz out to prevent him from following. That scene seemed like foreshadowing to me.

But those are just my observations. For all we know, both your ideas might be right. After all, the one thing we do know about the pill is it did knock Cruz out.

[surerman]

somehow...my underling bothered about the current age for all character,
can some body tell him?

Adam Blade =
Adam Archlight =
Disk = 100 years old, she state it herself to depressing Blade
Gido =
Kanna =
Kuchinasi =
Mio = around 13 I guess...childish and flat (aka. a 'Tot' )
Riru = 20?? (hmm...a 'Hot')
Saten = 20 year old mummy or younger
Setsuna = may be 16 ? (a Tot but with Tits)
Seth/Seto the reaper =
Teruyama =

[Avvesione]

From Imai Kami's website (not everyone is listed tho):

Adam Blade = 16
Adam Archlight = 16
Disk = 100
Gido = 61
Kana = ?
Kuchinasi = ?
Mio = ?
Riru = 24
Saten = ?
Setsuna = 18
Seto = 17
Teruyama = 20

[Soji]

Originally Posted by Avvesione

From Imai Kami's website (not everyone is listed tho):

Adam Blade = 16
Adam Archlight = 16
Disk = 100
Gido = 61
Kana = ?
Kuchinasi = ?
Mio = ?
Riru = 24
Saten = ?
Setsuna = 18
Seto = 17
Teruyama = 20

But Mio it's not a year younger than Cruz?
I thought I read somewhere she was one year younger that him or am I confused the age?
And Eve is the same age as Blade if I'm not wrong and Aruka is the same age as Sestuna.
Right, on the pill I agree with Avvesione.

[Ca12nag3]

Tbh the pill probably is just a sleepingpill to k.o. him. Disk probably didnt want Blade to be to cruel on Cruz.

Common even if this helps them out as in Cruz isnt in the way its still a lie. Cruz actualy thinks hes of help but ofc hes not. So Blade made him happy with nothing.

[Ynot]

I usually don't pay attention when it comes to what age everyone is, but I do know the age of Kana because I've been trying to translate her character guide. She's 10 years old.

There's only one person whose age I would really like to know....Eve. The age of her brain to be precise.

Spoiler for kana character guide:

Unfortunately I'm having trouble uploading pics so there's no scan of the page itself for now. I'll see if I can fix that later.

自分が思ったとおりの機械仕掛けを開発 ー 組み立てる出来る。
適したパーツが揃っていれば接合部同士の形状を瞬時に見抜き,
溶接もせずバズルのように組み立てる事が出来る。
ただし仕組みを全く理解していない物や、
現在の文明レベルを超える発明は出来ない。

ウエストブラックスポット出身
現在はセンターブラックスポットの闇市でお供のダーツ イシハラと暮らしている
以前ブライド&セトやソルヴァ一味と戦ったことがある。
ニドレスではないと思われていたが、 最近オーバーテクノロジーの能力者
である事が判明。
戦闘向きではないが村を守るため奮闘している。

必殺技

OVERTECHNOLOGY

The ability to build the mechanism you think of.
If all the adequate parts are gathered you can instantly see how
the parts should be joined an it can be put together without welding
as if it were a puzzle.
But not things of which the structure isn't understood and
the inventions can't exceed the level of the current civilization.

She is originally from west blackspot.
Presently she lives with her companions Darts and Ishihara in middle blackspot.
(I'm not sure whether these are just parts of the same blackspot or
different blackspots all together)
She has fought Blade&Seto and Solva's gang before.
It seemed she wasn't a Needless but recently it has been
confirmed she is a overtechnology user.
Not suitable for battles but she struggles hard to protect the village.

sex female
age 10
height 140cm
haircolor black

special move None

[surerman]

Originally Posted by Avvesione

From Imai Kami's website (not everyone is listed tho):

Adam Blade = 16
Adam Archlight = 16
Disk = 100
Gido = 61
Kana = ?
Kuchinasi = ?
Mio = ?
Riru = 24
Saten = ?
Setsuna = 18
Seto = 17
Teruyama = 20

thanks, but he find it's shocking the age gap between Riru and Archlight and their reverse to each other
May be because he's from 'Old World' hahahaha he find it's hard to believe human outside-this wall-world grow, matured (both inside and outside), and die faster than his kind even with out being killed

back to the pill...I mean the topic....
If they said Eden of Apple or whatever shit they call it can turn Human to Needless and select the chosen to board they so called 'Ark' why it's limited to 666?, what happened if the rest of human manage to overcome the trial and their number in the end is 667?, will they start some WWF stage to determine who will be left behind?

Spoiler for open it with your own risk:

I found this religion thingy atmosphere in this manga is hard to understand, since I didn't know about current Christianity myth and legend, since the old one (100+ years old stone tablet book that we consider as Real Bible in the Killer Society Library) didn't contain any of the myth or tale like that one that spread across the globe till to day. Our ancestor copied it from one of the Twelve before he found another god and I found it's interesting that my 111 years old great grand father laughed in his death when I shown him the current version bible book. He said some line in his own language like: "they still did it till today...hahaha..khuehehe...*die*....." Are the current Bible really that twisted enough from the real one? to make some one die with big grin on his face?

ah! before some one sent me another BRP, I must tell you all, I, like other killers, didn't hate or despise any God or Religion, we kill human equally, as long as we paid, so don't brand me as anti-Christ or whatever you like, since I didn't like it
Heck! even if it's a President, King, Pope, Ghandi or Theresa, we'll shot em if the deal already done

[Avvesione]

Anyway, going back to Chapter 91...

Spoiler:

Now that Arclight is back and active again, I wonder if he has any new Fragments. It's been a little while and we've seen some new characters, so maybe he'll have Hatfield's and Strom's fragments. He could even use Uten's fragment, depending on what Saten did with the blood samples. And we could even see some completely new fragments as well.

Should be interesting to see him fight again soon.

[stardrago]

Okay, so were can chapter 91 can be located or downloaded from where now?

[Soji]

Originally Posted by Avvesione

Anyway, going back to Chapter 91...

Spoiler:

Now that Arclight is back and active again, I wonder if he has any new Fragments. It's been a little while and we've seen some new characters, so maybe he'll have Hatfield's and Strom's fragments. He could even use Uten's fragment, depending on what Saten did with the blood samples. And we could even see some completely new fragments as well.

Should be interesting to see him fight again soon.

Spoiler for spoiler:

I agree it will be really interesting to see him fight again, I fear that Blade and co, have no hope to win this for now.
They are literally fallen into their trap (whatever this trap is).

[Homura7]

Spoiler for spoiler:

About Arclight. Nah, I don't think he has new fragments, mainly because it would be strange for the Simeon boss to not have learned the fragments of all his underlings.

Also, don't you think Arclight looks like he won't be fighting this time? Or at least not very soon, because he has taken the physical appearance of the PM, no less, and I believe this plays a very important part in whatever their plan must be.

[Skieth]

Spoiler for spoiler:

Their will be a fight with Arclight, but I don't think its going to be anytime soon. Blade and the others still need to find out where they are, and will most likely have to go through some new needless before then. I'll be interested in seeing a fight between Reru, Seto, and Solva. Combined, their powers should cancel out her psychokinesis, unless she has a stigmata.

I just want to throw this out. Was anybody else bothered by the fact that the blackspot has been portrayed as this extremely harsh place where only the strong survive, yet we're told there’s never been a single Needless that tried to break out into the city?

[Homura7]

Originally Posted by Skieth

Spoiler for spoiler:

Their will be a fight with Arclight, but I don't think its going to be anytime soon. Blade and the others still need to find out where they are, and will most likely have to go through some new needless before then. I'll be interested in seeing a fight between Reru, Seto, and Solva. Combined, their powers should cancel out her psychokinesis, unless she has a stigmata.

I just want to throw this out. Was anybody else bothered by the fact that the blackspot has been portrayed as this extremely harsh place where only the strong survive, yet we're told there’s never been a single Needless that tried to break out into the city?

Spoiler for spoiler:

Psychokinesis was stated the strongest of all fragments by Disk, there's absolutely no way Seth or Solva can defeat her, and much less cancel her fragment. That's ridiculous, specially when you remember the two were previously defeated by Arca.

As for why until this point there hasn't been a single needless that tried to break out into the city, I believe that's because all of them believe they have no place in the outside world, because they're needless.

I'm just going to leave this...

Spoiler for spoiler:

Riru, Saten... and of course Arca too should be with them, and maybe the new Uten as well.

Blade and co. are heading towards an inevitable defeat, they're gonna be crushed by the Shitennou! Even Disk already said twice they could never return, despite Solva's display of confidence.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by Avvesione

The reason I think it's more than just a simple capsule (to knock him out and stop him from following) is mainly due to Disk's reactions during that whole scene. She's the one who had the information that she didn't want Cruz to hear but wanted to tell Blade and Eve and came up with the idea for Cruz to take the pill. During the conversation outside, you see her try to stop Blade from giving Cruz the pill. A few panels later, you see her in an alert position. Had this simply been a pill to knock him out, I doubt she'd try to stop Blade or even get in that prepared stance. And I doubt that Disk would only tell Blade and Eve that she just wants to knock Cruz out to prevent him from following. That scene seemed like foreshadowing to me

I thought this too. I mean, why not just have Cruz take it before they left? What was the point of letting him follow them and then have him take it? Plus, if the pill was Disk's idea in the first place, why was she opposed to Blade giving it to Cruz then?

Plus with as involved as Cruz has been, what could have been so important that Disk didn't want him to know about it? If it was to prevent him from knowing they might be going to their possible doom in the city, well that plan failed, so it had to have been something else, imo.

The timing of the pill just screams foreshadowing.

[Skieth]

Originally Posted by Adan

Spoiler for spoiler:

Psychokinesis was stated the strongest of all fragments by Disk, there's absolutely no way Seth or Solva can defeat her, and much less cancel her fragment. That's ridiculous, specially when you remember the two were previously defeated by Arca.

As for why until this point there hasn't been a single needless that tried to break out into the city, I believe that's because all of them believe they have no place in the outside world, because they're needless.

Spoiler for spoiler:

I don’t think it’s as ridicules a thought as it first sounds. Yes, Psychokinesis is thought to be the strongest of all fragments, and yes Reru is very powerful, as we saw back when she picked up that building, but think back to what just happened in the last arc between Saten and Strom. Saten was unable to beat Strom alone because he could cancel his power. Strom was powerful, yes but Saten is the left hand of Arclight, and should have been able to take him out easily.

Now psychokinesis is simply defined as the ability to move objects by mental effect alone. Now when it comes right down to it, isn’t that what Seto and Solva can do when they combine their powers? Solva can repel and attract objects, and Seto can increase, or decrease the weight of the object using gravity. So while yes Reru can use her powers to move objects with incredible weight and mass, it really wouldn’t do much if Seto could reduce the weight to that of say a feather, and then Solva could easily repel them. As for if they could WIN, it would all depend on if they’ve been able to increase their powers, and if there’s anyone else on either side on the fight.

Going back to Needless never leaving the blackspot, I don’t buy it. The blackspot is depicted as this horrible, harsh place with no laws, a place where you have to struggle to survive, and only thing that’s separating you from this place and a place that has food, water, safety and security is a wall, with only a gate, and a handful of guards. Surely not everyone with fragements would have been satisfied living in the blackspot or joining Simeon.

[Avvesione]

Originally Posted by Adan

Spoiler for spoiler:

About Arclight. Nah, I don't think he has new fragments, mainly because it would be strange for the Simeon boss to not have learned the fragments of all his underlings.

Also, don't you think Arclight looks like he won't be fighting this time? Or at least not very soon, because he has taken the physical appearance of the PM, no less, and I believe this plays a very important part in whatever their plan must be.

True but...

Spoiler:

wouldn't Arclight having the fragments of "Rain Maker" and "Ice" be considered new because we've never see him use them before? They may not be new to Arclight, since he's learned everything from his underlings, but they'd be new to the manga. During the previous battle, we didn't know he had those fragments because they were never in the manga at that point, so him using them would be 'new'.

Originally Posted by Adan

Spoiler for spoiler:

Riru, Saten... and of course Arca too should be with them, and maybe the new Uten as well.

Blade and co. are heading towards an inevitable defeat, they're gonna be crushed by the Shitennou! Even Disk already said twice they could never return, despite Solva's display of confidence.

Spoiler:

It'll be interesting to see what Saten does since I'm not convinced he'll be siding with Arclight, Riru, and Aruka. And it looks like Ishiyama and Triple Six have other plans than Arclight. I almost feel if there should be four sides to this upcoming fight, Blade and co., Arclight and his 2-3 Shitennou, Ishiyama and Triple Six, and Saten playing between the other three sides for his own benefit. Remember, he's already lied to Arclight and to Ishiyama before...

Originally Posted by Solace

I thought this too. I mean, why not just have Cruz take it before they left? What was the point of letting him follow them and then have him take it? Plus, if the pill was Disk's idea in the first place, why was she opposed to Blade giving it to Cruz then?

Plus with as involved as Cruz has been, what could have been so important that Disk didn't want him to know about it? If it was to prevent him from knowing they might be going to their possible doom in the city, well that plan failed, so it had to have been something else, imo.

The timing of the pill just screams foreshadowing.

I'm hoping we get to see what happened with that pill soon. The next chapter (92) will be the start of the 14th volume, so we'll get to have the color bonus pages. So if the story goes from Blade to Cruz, that's probably the best time to do it.

Also, some old art just for fun. I kinda miss his older style of drawing but I like the modern style better:

Spoiler:

[Ynot]

Originally Posted by Skieth

Going back to Needless never leaving the blackspot, I don’t buy it. The blackspot is depicted as this horrible, harsh place with no laws, a place where you have to struggle to survive, and only thing that’s separating you from this place and a place that has food, water, safety and security is a wall, with only a gate, and a handful of guards. Surely not everyone with fragements would have been satisfied living in the blackspot or joining Simeon.

Perhaps certain Needless did escape Blackspot already but had fragments which allowed them to go unnoticed.

The kind of Needless whose fragment would allow them to escape the Blackspot through sheer power would also have the power to make most people around them to do as they want. So you could go and fight to enter a world you know nothing about or you can loot and pillage your direct surroundings providing you with what you want.

Having said all that I still think there should be at least a couple of strong and adventurous Needless who would've tried it, but who knows, maybe Simeon/Arclight have their own Needless making sure nobody got any smart ideas and allowed Blade and the rest to breach the security for their own purposes....but then again if that were true Saten wouldn't have said he was a bit surprised it didn't happen before. I think he would have known a thing like that and it's not like he had any reason to lie against people who were as good as dead anyway.