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Old 2011-08-29, 22:38   Link #3501
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Alright, Holo seems to be gaining some form of momentum after that horrid losing streak from before. Now comes the following: does she have enough strength to take down Hiiragi Kagami?
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Old 2011-08-29, 22:46   Link #3502
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And Sackett raised a good way to address the main potential drawback I see in the two-division system - Have Necklace Exhibition Matches showcase Tier 3 and lower vets vs. Tier 3 and lower newcomers. That should help ensure that you don't get too many cases of one girl never, ever facing a girl from the other division.
Now this was actually discussed in the ISML forums, that there should be ANOTHER mixed matched in the necklace round. I think we'll go ahead and do it.
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Old 2011-08-29, 22:49   Link #3503
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Alright, Holo seems to be gaining some form of momentum after that horrid losing streak from before. Now comes the following: does she have enough strength to take down Hiiragi Kagami?
Unfortunately, it all depends on if enough people outside the PRC will support her!

The PRC STILL won't give any love to Holo! That makes it hard for her... though she is fighting tooth and nail.
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Old 2011-08-29, 22:51   Link #3504
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I doubt Holo is overcoming Kagami soon. The hurdle to climb over in this case is several times larger than the hurdle to climb over Index.
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Old 2011-08-29, 23:11   Link #3505
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A lot of matchs this time that didn't really follow my stats all that closely. Yui has a solid win over Lingyin while Eucliwood falters a bit against Kagami. Up until now, there has been a significant divided between the top 11 characters and those below them. Eucliwood is currently 11th in my stats while Yui is 12th. Based on current trends, Yui might have a shot at crossing that gap by Diamond 7. It's too bad Eucliwood and Yui have already faced each other. It would have been cool to see Yui take a crack at it. A bunch of character didn't win by as much as I thought they would. Along with Eucliwood, the worst offenders were Victorique, Yuki and Hitagi. Although not as bad as Hitagi, Nadeko didn't do so well on Louise. So far these are just wins that were smaller than expected so they aren't as bad as Kuroko and Index who both manage to lose to Rin and Holo. I suppose I didn't really expect Index to win by very much but I thought she could at least beat Holo.
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Old 2011-08-29, 23:21   Link #3506
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Alright, Holo seems to be gaining some form of momentum after that horrid losing streak from before. Now comes the following: does she have enough strength to take down Hiiragi Kagami?
Based on last year Kagami should win, but I am only 70% or so sure she'll win .
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Old 2011-08-30, 03:02   Link #3507
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Recall that Kanade would be classified as a Newcomer if they 2012 system was used this year. As would Ruri, Yuri, Yui, Charlotte, and Eucliwood.
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Old 2011-08-30, 05:09   Link #3508
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Unfortunately, it all depends on if enough people outside the PRC will support her!

The PRC STILL won't give any love to Holo! That makes it hard for her... though she is fighting tooth and nail.
Haha, sometimes it's like the world vs PRC. I'm torn on who to vote for today between Holo vs Kagami though....

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Recall that Kanade would be classified as a Newcomer if they 2012 system was used this year. As would Ruri, Yuri, Yui, Charlotte, and Eucliwood.
I don't think Eucliwood or Charlotte would be eligible. But I guess I'd take that since all the other IS and Zombie characters wouldn't be in either. Let them simmer and see how their strength fluctuates.

Damn my memory is bad, I couldn't remember when I watched OreImo, but after checking, they would've been fine.
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Old 2011-08-30, 05:28   Link #3509
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You know, some of what people are counting on the ISML Staff (i.e. the Organizer) to do is actually the job of voters, in my opinion. This is precisely why I (along with Last Sinner) tried to persuade voters to start anti-voting Kanade a bit more, just to make her matches more interesting. I didn't go to the ISML Staff and ask them to come up with some technicalities to drag down Kanade with. Then ISML would be like the WWE, and KholdStare would basically be Vince McMahon to Kanade's Steve Austin.
Exactly my point. And to add onto that, why should ISML staff actually get into the muddle just to make sure newcomers get the UNFAIR chance to actually go further? If the voter are NOT voting for the newcomers, so be it. If there's no Ika-chan or Homura or Elsie, so be it. It's not like the staff denied them a place in the tournament - they get their fair cracks at it and fail to do so.

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Voters ultimately have the power to make things more interesting... or to make things less interesting. There's only so much that the ISML Staff can do. If you want more interesting matches then vote for underdogs more often, unless you have a passionate preference for the favorite.
I have too many passionate favorites that I just won't vote against too often...of course, that include the top girl in Kanade...

As for results last round...
1. Holo is STILL managing to be Holo. The East-West divide is there again but this time, Gaijins (or Gwailo/Laowai) manage to pull it off.
2. Worst underperformer is by far Victorique...I mean, only 400 over Mato? Either Mato is THAT strong (Maybe, since there is a BRS fanbase) or she's just weak (More likely, she has just not been getting the love that she deserves)
3. Nadeko (against Louise = Kugyu fanbase), Eu (against Kagami = KyoAni/LS fanbase), and Hirasawa Yui (against Mikuru = KyoAni/Haruhi fanbase), while not doing VERY good, has all the excuses...Victorique just doesn't.
4. On the flip side, hey, at least the vote counts are close enough to makes things a little bit more interesting. You can't have every match 4000-2000, you know...
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Old 2011-08-30, 07:02   Link #3510
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Having given it a bit more thought, maybe my main worry for next years format won't come true. My main worry is seeing more blowouts with perhaps >80% win percentages on a more frequent basis due to increase in pool size and separation of competition. But seeing how there are quite a few sequels coming out from now until probably near the end of next year, character strengths might fluctuate a lot.

On the vet side we've got more Shana, likely more HnG, Fate/Zero, SeiZon (I think this would go under vet), Saki (even if they falter in ISML) and maybe more.

On the new side we've got more Ika Musume, Working, BRS, and maybe more (is TWGOK getting more eps?). Not to mention 2011 has been a pretty good anime year, with what seems like a lot of quality candidates. We might even get Persona 4 characters in (Naoto FTW!), enticing gaming nerds everywhere! And maybe, just maybe, Last Exile might get a sniff.

So an increase in pool size might do a world of good. And the date restriction between newcomer/vet seems like it'll give a good amount of content for both sides. Of course hoping that the voters spread their love, and don't just vote in every single Index 2 character (whichever division that falls into).

Also part of me for some reason would like to see Kanade torment the newcomers next year. Which is only possible if she doesn't win the Tiara....
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Old 2011-08-30, 10:04   Link #3512
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ARENA 01: [Asahina Mikuru] Iwasawa Asami
ARENA 02: [Nymph] Shiina
ARENA 03: [Furukawa Nagisa] Yui
ARENA 04: [Victorique de Blois] Shiina Mafuyu
ARENA 05: [Suzumiya Haruhi] Konjiki no Yami
ARENA 06: Seraphim [Charlotte Dunois]
ARENA 07: [Katsura Hinagiku] Huang Lingyin
ARENA 08: [Fujibayashi Kyō] Sakagami Tomoyo
ARENA 09: [Index L. Prohibitorum] Eucliwood Hellscythe
ARENA 10: [Tōsaka Rin] Nakamura Yuri
ARENA 11: [Kotobuki Tsumugi] Kōsaka Kirino
ARENA 12: [Sengoku Nadeko] C.C.
ARENA 13: [Hiiragi Kagami] Holo
ARENA 14: [Hirasawa Yui] Shinonono Hōki
ARENA 15: Laura Bodewig [Misaka Mikoto]
ARENA 16: Shana [Abstained] Louise Vallière
ARENA 17: [Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko)] Shirai Kuroko
ARENA 18: Saber [Last Order]
ARENA 19: [Aragaki Ayase] Kasugano Sora
ARENA 20: Fate Testarossa [Nagato Yuki]
ARENA 21: [Aisaka Taiga] Hirasawa Ui
ARENA 22: Izumi Konata [Akiyama Mio]
ARENA 23: Sanzen'in Nagi [Senjōgahara Hitagi]
ARENA 24: [Tachibana Kanade] Haruna
ARENA 25: [Nakano Azusa] Kuroi Mato
ARENA 26: Kōnagi Yui [Sakura Kyōko]
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Old 2011-08-30, 10:16   Link #3513
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ARENA 01: Asahina Mikuru [Iwasawa Asami]
ARENA 02: Nymph [Shiina]
ARENA 03: Furukawa Nagisa [Yui]
ARENA 04: Victorique de Blois [Shiina Mafuyu]
ARENA 05: Suzumiya Haruhi [Abstained] Konjiki no Yami
ARENA 06: Seraphim [Abstained] Charlotte Dunois
ARENA 07: Katsura Hinagiku [Abstained] Huang Lingyin
ARENA 08: [Fujibayashi Kyō] Sakagami Tomoyo
ARENA 09: Index L. Prohibitorum [Abstained] Eucliwood Hellscythe
ARENA 10: [Tōsaka Rin] Nakamura Yuri
ARENA 11: [Kotobuki Tsumugi] Kōsaka Kirino
ARENA 12: Sengoku Nadeko [C.C.]
ARENA 13: [Hiiragi Kagami] Holo
ARENA 14: Hirasawa Yui [Abstained] Shinonono Hōki
ARENA 15: [Laura Bodewig] Misaka Mikoto
ARENA 16: Shana [Abstained] Louise Vallière
ARENA 17: Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko) [Abstained] Shirai Kuroko
ARENA 18: Saber [Abstained] Last Order
ARENA 19: Aragaki Ayase [Abstained] Kasugano Sora
ARENA 20: [Fate Testarossa] Nagato Yuki
ARENA 21: Aisaka Taiga [Abstained] Hirasawa Ui
ARENA 22: [Izumi Konata] Akiyama Mio
ARENA 23: Sanzen'in Nagi [Abstained] Senjōgahara Hitagi
ARENA 24: [Tachibana Kanade] Haruna
ARENA 25: Nakano Azusa [Kuroi Mato]
ARENA 26: [Kōnagi Yui] Sakura Kyōko
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Old 2011-08-30, 10:23   Link #3514
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ARENA 01: Asahina Mikuru [Abstained] Iwasawa Asami
ARENA 02: [Nymph] Shiina
ARENA 03: [Furukawa Nagisa] Yui
ARENA 04: Victorique de Blois [Shiina Mafuyu]
ARENA 05: Suzumiya Haruhi [Konjiki no Yami]
ARENA 06: Seraphim [Charlotte Dunois]
ARENA 07: [Katsura Hinagiku] Huang Lingyin
ARENA 08: [Fujibayashi Kyō] Sakagami Tomoyo
ARENA 09: Index L. Prohibitorum [Eucliwood Hellscythe]
ARENA 10: Tōsaka Rin [Nakamura Yuri]
ARENA 11: [Kotobuki Tsumugi] Kōsaka Kirino
ARENA 12: Sengoku Nadeko [C.C.]
ARENA 13: [Hiiragi Kagami] Holo
ARENA 14: [Hirasawa Yui] Shinonono Hōki
ARENA 15: [Laura Bodewig] Misaka Mikoto
ARENA 16: Shana [Abstained] Louise Vallière
ARENA 17: [Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko)] Shirai Kuroko
ARENA 18: [Saber] Last Order
ARENA 19: Aragaki Ayase [Kasugano Sora]
ARENA 20: [Fate Testarossa] Nagato Yuki
ARENA 21: [Aisaka Taiga] Hirasawa Ui
ARENA 22: Izumi Konata [Akiyama Mio]
ARENA 23: Sanzen'in Nagi [Senjōgahara Hitagi]
ARENA 24: [Tachibana Kanade] Haruna
ARENA 25: [Nakano Azusa] Kuroi Mato
ARENA 26: Kōnagi Yui [Sakura Kyōko]
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Old 2011-08-30, 10:26   Link #3515
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Round...umm...3? Votes:

ARENA 01: [Asahina Mikuru] Iwasawa Asami
ARENA 02: [Nymph] Shiina
ARENA 03: Furukawa Nagisa [Yui]
ARENA 04: [Victorique de Blois] Shiina Mafuyu
ARENA 05: [Suzumiya Haruhi] Konjiki no Yami
ARENA 06: [Seraphim] Charlotte Dunois
ARENA 07: [Katsura Hinagiku] Huang Lingyin
ARENA 08: [Fujibayashi Kyō] Sakagami Tomoyo
ARENA 09: Index L. Prohibitorum [Eucliwood Hellscythe]
ARENA 10: Tōsaka Rin [Nakamura Yuri]
ARENA 11: Kotobuki Tsumugi [Kōsaka Kirino]
ARENA 12: Sengoku Nadeko [C.C.]
ARENA 13: Hiiragi Kagami [Holo]
ARENA 14: [Hirasawa Yui] Shinonono Hōki
ARENA 15: Laura Bodewig [Misaka Mikoto]
ARENA 16: Shana [Louise Vallière]
ARENA 17: [Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko)] Shirai Kuroko
ARENA 18: [Saber] Last Order
ARENA 19: [Aragaki Ayase] Kasugano Sora
ARENA 20: Fate Testarossa [Nagato Yuki]
ARENA 21: Aisaka Taiga [Hirasawa Ui]
ARENA 22: Izumi Konata [Akiyama Mio]
ARENA 23: [Sanzen'in Nagi] Senjōgahara Hitagi
ARENA 24: [Tachibana Kanade] Haruna
ARENA 25: [Nakano Azusa] Kuroi Mato
ARENA 26: Kōnagi Yui [Sakura Kyōko]
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ARENA 02: Nymph [Shiina]
ARENA 03: [Furukawa Nagisa] Yui
ARENA 04: [Victorique de Blois] Shiina Mafuyu
ARENA 05: Suzumiya Haruhi [Konjiki no Yami]
ARENA 06: Seraphim [Charlotte Dunois]
ARENA 07: [Katsura Hinagiku] Huang Lingyin
ARENA 08: [Fujibayashi Kyō] Sakagami Tomoyo
ARENA 09: Index L. Prohibitorum [Eucliwood Hellscythe]
ARENA 10: Tōsaka Rin [Nakamura Yuri]
ARENA 11: [Kotobuki Tsumugi] Kōsaka Kirino
ARENA 12: [Sengoku Nadeko] C.C.
ARENA 13: Hiiragi Kagami [Holo]
ARENA 14: Hirasawa Yui [Shinonono Hōki]
ARENA 15: Laura Bodewig [Misaka Mikoto]
ARENA 16: [Shana] Louise Vallière
ARENA 17: [Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko)] Shirai Kuroko
ARENA 18: [Saber] Last Order
ARENA 19: Aragaki Ayase [Kasugano Sora]
ARENA 20: Fate Testarossa [Nagato Yuki]
ARENA 21: [Aisaka Taiga] Hirasawa Ui
ARENA 22: [Izumi Konata] Akiyama Mio
ARENA 23: Sanzen'in Nagi [Senjōgahara Hitagi]
ARENA 24: [Tachibana Kanade] Haruna
ARENA 25: [Nakano Azusa] Kuroi Mato
ARENA 26: [Kōnagi Yui] Sakura Kyōko
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ARENA 05: [Suzumiya Haruhi] Konjiki no Yami
ARENA 06: Seraphim [Charlotte Dunois]
ARENA 07: Katsura Hinagiku [Huang Lingyin]
ARENA 08: [Fujibayashi Kyō] Sakagami Tomoyo
ARENA 09: [Index L. Prohibitorum] Eucliwood Hellscythe
ARENA 10: Tōsaka Rin [Nakamura Yuri]
ARENA 11: [Kotobuki Tsumugi] Kōsaka Kirino
ARENA 12: [Sengoku Nadeko] C.C.
ARENA 13: Hiiragi Kagami [Holo]
ARENA 14: [Hirasawa Yui] Shinonono Hōki
ARENA 15: Laura Bodewig [Misaka Mikoto]
ARENA 16: [Shana] Louise Vallière
ARENA 17: Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko) [Shirai Kuroko]
ARENA 18: Saber [Last Order]
ARENA 19: Aragaki Ayase [Kasugano Sora]
ARENA 20: Fate Testarossa [Nagato Yuki]
ARENA 21: [Aisaka Taiga] Hirasawa Ui
ARENA 22: [Izumi Konata] Akiyama Mio
ARENA 23: Sanzen'in Nagi [Senjōgahara Hitagi]
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ARENA 02: Nymph [Shiina]
ARENA 03: Furukawa Nagisa [Abstained] Yui
ARENA 04: [Victorique de Blois] Shiina Mafuyu
ARENA 05: [Suzumiya Haruhi] Konjiki no Yami
ARENA 06: Seraphim [Charlotte Dunois]
ARENA 07: [Katsura Hinagiku] Huang Lingyin
ARENA 08: Fujibayashi Kyō [Abstained] Sakagami Tomoyo Much like Louise vs Shana, these are my two least favorite Clannad characters
ARENA 09: Index L. Prohibitorum [Eucliwood Hellscythe]
ARENA 10: Tōsaka Rin [Nakamura Yuri]
ARENA 11: [Kotobuki Tsumugi] Kōsaka Kirino
ARENA 12: [Sengoku Nadeko] C.C.
ARENA 13: Hiiragi Kagami [Holo]
ARENA 14: [Hirasawa Yui] Shinonono Hōki
ARENA 15: [Laura Bodewig] Misaka Mikoto
ARENA 16: Shana [Abstained] Louise Vallière My least two favorite Rie tsundere loli.
ARENA 17: [Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko)] Shirai Kuroko
ARENA 18: Saber [Last Order]
ARENA 19: [Aragaki Ayase] Kasugano Sora
ARENA 20: Fate Testarossa [Nagato Yuki]
ARENA 21: Aisaka Taiga [Hirasawa Ui]
ARENA 22: Izumi Konata [Akiyama Mio]
ARENA 23: Sanzen'in Nagi [Senjōgahara Hitagi]
ARENA 24: [Tachibana Kanade] Haruna
ARENA 25: [Nakano Azusa] Kuroi Mato
ARENA 26: Kōnagi Yui [Sakura Kyōko]
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Arena 8 was a very tough call for me, as all-Clannad matches tend to be. I ultimately decided to pick Tomoyo since I liked her OVA more than Kyo's. Arenas 10 and 20 were also tough calls for me.


ARENA 01: Asahina Mikuru [Iwasawa Asami]
ARENA 02: Nymph [Shiina]
ARENA 03: [Furukawa Nagisa] Yui
ARENA 04: [Victorique de Blois] Shiina Mafuyu
ARENA 05: [Suzumiya Haruhi] Konjiki no Yami
ARENA 06: Seraphim [Charlotte Dunois]
ARENA 07: Katsura Hinagiku [Huang Lingyin]
ARENA 08: Fujibayashi Kyō [Sakagami Tomoyo]
ARENA 09: Index L. Prohibitorum [Abstained] Eucliwood Hellscythe
ARENA 10: Tōsaka Rin [Nakamura Yuri]
ARENA 11: [Kotobuki Tsumugi] Kōsaka Kirino
ARENA 12: Sengoku Nadeko [C.C.]
ARENA 13: Hiiragi Kagami [Holo]
ARENA 14: [Hirasawa Yui] Shinonono Hōki
ARENA 15: [Laura Bodewig] Misaka Mikoto
ARENA 16: [Shana] Louise Vallière
ARENA 17: [Gokō Ruri (Kuroneko)] Shirai Kuroko
ARENA 18: [Saber] Last Order
ARENA 19: Aragaki Ayase [Abstained] Kasugano Sora
ARENA 20: [Fate Testarossa] Nagato Yuki
ARENA 21: Aisaka Taiga [Hirasawa Ui]
ARENA 22: Izumi Konata [Akiyama Mio]
ARENA 23: Sanzen'in Nagi [Senjōgahara Hitagi]
ARENA 24: [Tachibana Kanade] Haruna
ARENA 25: [Nakano Azusa] Kuroi Mato
ARENA 26: Kōnagi Yui [Sakura Kyōko]
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And to add onto that, why should ISML staff actually get into the muddle just to make sure newcomers get the UNFAIR chance to actually go further?
I hope you're not accusing us of anything. We created symmetrical divisions that is both fair to veterans and newcomers. By increasing the number of characters, we will get more newcomers AND veterans.

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Also part of me for some reason would like to see Kanade torment the newcomers next year. Which is only possible if she doesn't win the Tiara....
Many people are still hoping SnS 3 will block Kanade from the tiara.
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